Tell me where I am wrong with this? Trump wanted even more bloodshed and death on 1/6/21 ....

[Botany]

... and that might have even included the murders of Speaker Pelosi and Vice president Pence so he could declare
martial law to keep power.

This was an attempt at a violent overthrow of the US Government by Donald J Trump.

Trump and others (Bannon, Flynn, Stephen Miller, Stone, Fox news and so on)

Helped to organize the riot.
Helped to pay for the riot.
Helped to incite the riot.
Decapitated the D.C. National Guard and local law enforcement so they could not respond to the riot.
And Trump refused to call off the rioters who were loyal to him when told of their violence and law breaking.

So the only thing that Senate Republicans can do when confronted by this proven evidence is
to acquit Trump.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Not only that

He may have been hoping for a magat martyr massacre on the Capitol steps. Can you imagine if the police had opened fire? He was looking for any excuse to declare martial law and suspend government. Thank goodness he failed - no matter what the actual intention.

[Botany]

5. When I first saw the reports of the attack on the Capitol I kept waiting for the billy clubs,

tear gas, water cannons, and rubber bullets, followed by mass arrests. i guarantee you
that a good % of those idiots had warrants and or something on them that would have
allowed the police to hold 'em.

But

Two days before the Pro Trump riot/coup Trump's acting Defense Sec. gave a stand down
order to the D.C. National Guard. Trump installed a new acting head of the DoD right after he lost
the election. It was all premeditated.


This memorandum responds directly to your January 4, 2021 memorandum regarding the District of Columbia request for District of Columbia National Guard (DCNG) support in response to planned demonstrations from January 5-6, 2021. You are authorized to approve the requested support, subject to my guidance below and subject to consultation with the Attorney General, as required by Executive Order 11485.

Without my subsequent, personal authorization, the DCNG is not authorized the following:

* To be issued weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons, riot control agents or ballistic protection equipment such as helmets and body armor.

* To interact physically with protesters, except when necessary in self-defense or defense of others.

* Prohibited from sharing “equipment with law enforcement agencies” or seeking support from any non-DC National Guard units.

* Forbidden from conducting “searches, seizures, arrests, or other similar direct law enforcement activity.”

* Forbidden from using “Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance assets” or to conduct “Incident, Awareness and Assessment activities.”

* No helicopters or “any other air assets.”

[PirateRo]

9. Exactly, i kept expecting the usual BLM RECEPTION

Instead, they stopped short inn some cases of serving tea. The cops just pulled open the barriers themselves. I get they were outnumbered, but there was sufficient notice from the s pools to deal with it.

The event reminded me of the time the guards of the Tower of London just stood aside or participated in that insurrection. I couldn’t get away from that memory.

[Irish_Dem]

12. I kept waiting for a rapid response team using the methods you describe.

I was horrified when I saw the criminal insurrectionists casually walk back to their cars, laughing and mugging like they had just been to Disneyland.

[ouija]

29. He absolutely wanted Mike Pence dead

[JI7]

2. I think Flynn's Brother was in on it also

[Botany]

6. Flynn's brother was working inside the Pentagon trying to stop any national guard ...

... response to the riot both before and during the riot.

[ewagner]

11. Michael Flynn knew

the mechanisms by which the guard could be ordered into action. He had his brother instructed in the process present to throw a wrench into the machinery to keep the guard from being deployed.

Another actor in this insurrection play was Roger Stone. Remember he created the slogan "Stop the Steal" and pushed all the buttons to make sure there were banners, flags, posters, billboards etc available to amplify the slogan and make it appear to be a much larger movement than it actually was.

Supreme Court Justice Thomas' wife, Jenny(?) bought airline tickets and paid otherwise for protesters to travel to the rally.

This was organized down to the finest details and it was the old Trump gang that did it.

I would hope that there will be criminal charges filed independent of this farce so that we can litigate the TRUE charge:

CONSPIRACY

[Botany]

13. And don't forget that our "old friends" the Mercers helped pay for "it" too.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016286884

[VA_Jill]

27. YES

Anyone who has watched the Vice series on Q should understand that. And his damn brother was right in the middle of it at the Pentagon. So there's that.

[scarletwoman]

30. Please note: Ginni Thomas did NOT pay for any transportation for the protestors.

That is an untrue rumor:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ginni-thomas-buses/

Following the melee, journalists and activists have scrutinized the roles of various individuals involved in the promotion of demonstrations that day. On Jan. 7, 2021, Slate reporter Mark Joseph Stern highlighted the fact that the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Ginni, had enthusiastically promoted the protests and praised the participants:

By the weekend, this observation had formed the basis of a false rumor that Thomas not only supported the protesters as shown on Facebook, but that she “funded 80 buses to transport insurrectionists to D.C. on Wednesday.”

The rumor stems from the unproven assertion made by Talking Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, who claimed on Twitter two days before the riots (before deleting the tweet after they turned violent) that he and his organizations — both Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action USA — would be sending “80+ buses full of patriots to DC to fight for this president.” The link to Thomas gained prominence online when it was promoted virally in a user-submitted blog post on the left-wing site DailyKos. That post’s argument stems from tweets tying Thomas to Turning Point USA and other right-wing political organizations involved in the rally.

While we point out that Kirk, no stranger to false claims, has provided no evidence of his organization’s funding of 80 buses to the rally, the link to Thomas — based on her work with Turning Point USA — is out-of-date even if Kirk is telling the truth. It is true that Thomas was once on the “Advisory Council” for Turning Point USA, a body that has at times included over 75 people, but she has not served in that role since at least early 2019, according to Turning Point USA’s website.

Thomas is indeed a well-known right-wing organizer and conspiracy theorist. She provided Trump with several memos outlining what she believed to be government officials unfaithful to Trump, lobbied successfully for appointments of Trump loyalists to government posts, and along with other activists met with him in 2019 to discuss “appointments … that they accused the president’s aides of blocking,” for example. In 2016 — as Snopes reported in an October 2020 investigation, she was also part of efforts to promote false talking points regarding illegal voting by immigrants in the 2016 election.

However, as Stern, the Slate reporter, tweeted: “even if [Turning Point USA] funded transportation to the insurrection (and we should not automatically believe Charlie Kirk), Thomas had nothing to do with it.” As such, the claim that Ginni Thomas organized “80 buses” for the Save America Rally is false.

Alex Kasprak
Published 11 January 2021

[Mister Ed]

37. Thank you. Always very important to separate fact from rumor. n/t

[ewagner]

38. Thank you for the correction.

I appreciate it.

[bullimiami]

3. i think the goal was chaos, disrupting the count, maybe declare martial law, gain an advantage.

dont think he cared or considered what the collateral damage may be.

[Oldem]

41. He's always boasted that he thrives in chaos.

On 1/6, he found the chaos that he thought would leave him the only winner. It had worked before.

[bullimiami]

43. when your losing, overturn the board. he knows this trick.

[gab13by13]

4. I agree,

What was the discussion I saw here about Trump asking for 10,000 military on stand by. People assumed that was cover for the riot but was it for when he declared martial law? People need to think like Trump who is mentally ill and not think rationally.

[Iliyah]

7. Shithole enjoyed watching the attempted coup on tv . . .

shithole enjoyed watching Americans against Americans and welcome bodily warm.

[KPN]

17. Don't we know when he knew simply by the newscasts of him, his cabal members and family

in the tent at the ellipse watching the storming unfold on television ... and partying? Was that presented as evidence? Those news clips?

[scarletwoman]

26. Please don't spread disinformation.

The video of trump et al was from backstage BEFORE trump's speech. What they were looking at on the monitors in the tent was the crowd that was there for the rally on the ellipse - this way before trump and the others started their speeches, and way before trump told the rally-goers to march to the Capitol.

Trump was back in the White House when the invasion started.

[Mister Ed]

39. Thank you again. Very important.

The evidence against the Trump gang is abundant and damning. It mustn't be diluted with easily-disproven rumors.

[KPN]

45. Thanks for the correction. I did not know that. I saw that video scene once or twice while

watching MSNBC or CNN shortly after the storming was quelled. At that time, what I thought I heard the commentators saying was that Trump and his people appeared to be celebrating (the invasion). In my mind, in that context, they were. That's why I asked the question. It was not my intent to spread misinfo. Either I misheard, misunderstood or the commentators mis-spoke. Probably the second. My bad.

ps - here's a heart for helping straighten me out.

[scarletwoman]

47. Hi, KPN! Thank you for being so gracious.

And thank you for the heart! I regret that I don't have any more hearts to give out, otherwise I would love to reciprocate.

Do have a lovely Valentine's Day, regardless!

[KPN]

48. Same to you scarletwoman!

[gollygee]

8. I think he wanted a literal bloody coup

I think he would have been pleased if all of Congress had been killed. He would have thought of it as a "you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs" thing.

[Chainfire]

16. I agree with you. The end game was not broken glass and photo ops for the seditionists.

If you believe that Trump was instrumental in the planning and execution of the raid, you have to be able to imagine what he thought that the end game looked like. The only possible way for the coup to succeed is if Congressmen or women were murdered, the raid was blamed on Antifa, and Trump had to take over to stop the violence. It was his Reichstag Fire. Trump was perfectly willing to sacrifice both lawmakers and seditionists in his goal to remain in power. He is a ruthless, evil bastard and the people who will vote to acquit him are cut from the same cloth. They know.

[pandr32]

34. Well said!

[North Shore Chicago]

10. No question

this was premeditated. trump is unable to properly use a sentence, but when it comes to being a maniacal piece of shit who enjoys destroying everything around him. He IS indeed a genius.

[pandr32]

36. +1

[ashredux]

14. Yes...he wanted deaths to high ranking officials and then declare Martial Law...

He would say the election was void and he was remaining President....I know this sounds “crazy”, but then what happened was actually Crazy!

[PatSeg]

15. Sadly, I have

The way he was watching the insurrection enthusiastically on TV indicaed to me that he was thinking that everything was going as planned, maybe even better. Plus the way he started firing people at the Pentagon and replacing them with Trump loyalists was a classic coup maneuver.

This has been done over and over again throughout history, he was just following old playbooks.

[Jon King]

18. I think he wanted them all killed...

I have zero doubt Trump wanted the VP and Congress killed so he could declare martial law and try to hold new elections. He wanted maximum chaos.

[RicROC]

22. new elections?

if T. had suggested holding new elections, that does not mean he would schedule elections quickly. He could hold off for 6 months, OR wait until the next November election day OR hold off for years.

[Bongo Prophet]

25. He would probably promise elections 'in two weeks'

A term by which he means 'never'

[Jay25]

19. Of course, and their Cowardice and weakness will be known worldwide.

[grantcart]

20. That was the plan. Trigger a mob, police react with gun fire. Chaos, martial law.

Trump knew that Pence was never in danger because the Secret Service would have unleashed massive fire power if any but got close to him or Pence's nuclear football.

[JohnnyRingo]

21. I hadn't thought of the martial law aspect of this.

...but it makes sense that with the VP and Madame Speaker dead, the confirmation would be stalled, Therefore Trump would have still been president and able to declare Martial Law.

Actually, in such a case, Martial Law may have been very appropriate to re-establish our democracy.

[2Gingersnaps]

23. You are not wrong.

His sadism is only matched by his cowardice. What he was doing with DoD those two months prior scared the shit out of me.

[marble falls]

24. He wanted bloodshed to declare martial law. He wanted Mike Pence to be his "Horst Wesel" ...

... only luck and a few brave women and men saved the Republic.

[Jetheels]

28. There's never been more recorded evidence of a coup. Recorded on video,

on photos, selfies, emails, phone records, etc, This is who the republicons are now.
Imho, if they acquit then the coup is still ongoing. Just in a more subtle way than on January 6th.
January 6th is right up there with December 7th, in my book. Not in the amount of deaths that occurred but in the sense of an attack on our country.
If the republicans acquit........they are endorsing what happened.

[Botany]

32. Yup! "There's never been more recorded evidence of a coup."

ATTN Senators on Trump's guilt before the insurrection/riot. You want proof? Here you go.
Dec. 19: Trump tweeted his praise for a report by his adviser Peter Navarro alleging election fraud: "A great report by Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

Dec. 26: Trump tweeted: "The ‘Justice’ Department and the FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, the biggest SCAM in our nation’s history, despite overwhelming evidence. They should be ashamed. History will remember. Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th."

Dec. 27: "See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow!" Trump tweeted.

Jan. 1: "The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C., will take place at 11.00 A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!" Trump tweeted.

Jan. 1: "January 6th. See you in D.C." Trump tweeted.

Jan. 3: Trump retweeted @JenLawrence21, an organizer of a March for Trump bus tour: "Now we will bring it to DC on Jan 6 and PROUDLY stand beside you!"

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/11/timeline-what-trump-said-jan-6-capitol-riot/

[CTyankee]

33. If they are in safe seats, why should they care about our concerns?

I live in bright blue CT so I know my reps and Sens are voting my wishes 100% of the time. But I wonder A LOT about what I would do if I were in a solidly red state/cong. district.

At this point the game is rigged against us. I always believed "no guts, no glory" but there are those Sens/reps who are just fine with all this. It makes me livid.

[AllaN01Bear]

42. 2 days in infamy.

[VA_Jill]

31. Now that I've had time to consider it

I think he wanted to take out Pence, Pelosi, possibly Chuck Grassley, Schumer, and some others, so he could declare martial law and make himself dictator. He doesn't like the work of being president but he sure does like the power.

[bucolic_frolic]

35. Your conclusion is probable, but tenuous

As more evidence is revealed by more witnesses, the possibility increases that Republicans see conviction as a means to save their party and their careers. They are actually being thrown a political lifesaver but they may never recognize it.

[Jetheels]

46. I know right!

This is their BIG chance to detach from the most destructive person in current US history.
Convicting is their lifeboat. Are they that dumb not to get onboard sheeeeeeeesh. We shall see.

[AllaN01Bear]

40. good thing that mob was distracted , had they not been, we would have now been hearing

a whole different story. can we now have real gun law reform rather than " its too soon.??"

[BobTheSubgenius]

44. Well, given all that, they have no other possible course of action.

Clearly.