No witnesses!

[imanamerican63]

[madaboutharry]

1. Boo.

[wcmagumba]

2. Looks like dems rolled over again...imo

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. No, they did not. They got what they wanted.

And I, for one, am sick of people whining about "Dems rolling over again" just because something happened that they didn't understand. We are watching some of the most skilled lawyers and legislators in the country. They know exactly what they're doing.

[wcmagumba]

6. I respectfully agree to disagree...nt

[coti]

12. On the other hand, highly skilled people fuck up ALL the time

Babe Ruth K'd 1,330 times in his career.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. They didn't this time.

[Fullduplexxx]

15. And I am sick of the dems compromising for expediency's sake

That's how it seems to me ... but perhaps I dont understand . If someone could explain what we gained by not calling witnesses it might go a long in cutting down the amount of dems "whining"

[FoxNewsSucks]

18. AMEN!

I'd like to understand, if what I see and perceive are not what it is, someone should explain. The rush only helps MF45. I'd like a good reason to not call witnesses.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. What we gained by not calling witnesses was a stipulation to crucial facts

that, if the Senate GOPers were willing to consider facts (which they are not, and the outcome will be the same anyhow), would almost certainly result in Trump's conviction. Live witnesses would not have increased the chances of conviction and would have only given Trump's lawyers a platform to reinforce Trump's lies during cross-examination, to the delight and further inflaming of Trump and his followers. Raskin was very skillfully playing chicken. Although Trump's lawyers would have tried to turn the proceedings into a circus by flinging bullshit at the witnesses, they were totally unprepared to actually undertake that process. Trump's lawyers caved because they knew they couldn't handle it and they didn't want to do it, and Raskin knew they'd cave.

[coti]

24. Right. In a fantasy world where Repubs cared about facts,

a stipulation would have been great.

But in THIS world, all that matters is the pressure we can put on them by publicizing the facts of what happened as broadly and dramatically as possible. The only way to do that was with witness testimony.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. No, it isn't. It will be publicized. Not everyone is watching this trial on TV, btw.

[Fullduplexxx]

28. Thank you and Good point I didnt think of witness reinforcement of trump's lies

This should be posted in a post of it's own

[soothsayer]

3. Ugh

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

4. HUH? It seem they need to subpoena McCarthy, not the peron he told it to????

what am I missing?

[BumRushDaShow]

8. The GOP conceded that what happened with McCarthy, happened.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

21. They allowed the evidence to be entered into the record, does that mean they

agreed it happened the way the rep said it happened?

[BumRushDaShow]

25. That's basically what it would assume (for the "public" )

outside of the statement that Schumer read off about the "agreement" (I believe to be considered in legalese as "hearsay" evidence that was not being challenged).

[USALiberal]

7. Link? Source? Any info? Nt

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Both sides agreed to stipulate on the statements by Beutler.

Link to tweet

TEXT

Manu Raju
@mkraju
#Breaking -- A deal appears to have been reached to avoid witness testimony. Trump attorney says they're OK if Rep. @HerreraBeutler's recollection of Trump-McCarthy call gets submitted into the record.

Raskin reading her account into record now.

More details to follow
12:51 PM · Feb 13, 2021

[USALiberal]

10. Thanks!!! Nt

[bluestarone]

11. They know a little more of what they are doing than

WE do! I fully accept what they decided to do!! It's their world, and i fully trust what they did!!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. Exactly. A bunch of armchair quarterbacks are complaining about

the tactics of some of the best lawyers on the planet. GMAFB.

[coti]

17. Are we going for putting things in the record or publicizing

the facts to the American people here?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. If it's on the record it will be publicized.

[bigtree]

23. they're not prosecutors, they're legislators

...subject to our will by way of our votes.

They're our representatives, and the opinion of 'armchair quarterbacks' should be recognized in this process.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. They are acting as lawyers in this proceeding,

and the opinions of armchair quarterbacks who don't understand the proceeding or the strategy won't count, and shouldn't.

[imanamerican63]

16. Good point!

[DesertRat]

22. I'm disappointed

But, I suspect the Biden admin. wanted them to move on so they could work to pass the Covid plan.

And now they'll get their planned President's week vacation.

I've now lost interest in the closing arguments.