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[cwydro]

1. Hell, I just read it here a few minutes ago.

Go figure!

[scarletwoman]

2. Which media?

[onecaliberal]

7. MSGOP and CNN

[BlueLucy]

3. Well, didn't they?

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Which pundit/network? Does his name rhyme with F*ck? Nt

[onecaliberal]

9. It wasn't chuck todd is was Ari melber.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

5. It's true

What a colossal f up

[onenote]

6. I long ago lost count of the number of DUers claiming the same thing.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

11. This

Now I feel wasted time.

Republicans will crow about this .

[TwilightZone]

13. Nope.

We got Trump to admit on record that the McCarthy call happened exactly as described.

Proof that he didn't care about the riot and wasn't going to do anything to stop it. Right from the horse's mouth.

Cave, eh? Bullshit.

[Tommymac]

29. Sorry, the regular World will view it like we caved.

Very bad optics.

We political junkies know The Dems did not cave - but as usual that is not the view the rest of the World will see due to a complicit MSM

[StarfishSaver]

52. Maybe we political junkies can help educate "the regular world" by explaining to them why this

wasn't a cave instead of feeding the lie and misconception that Democrats screwed up.

[StarfishSaver]

17. They called for Herrera Butler to testify

Trump's attorney threw a complete fit about how unfair it was to allow her to testify.

And less than two hours later, Democrats entered her comments into the record without any objection from Trump

That's not caving. That's getting exactly what they wanted - and getting it without any hassle, delay, cross-examination, or Trump witnesses.

[Klaralven]

23. This!

[budkin]

36. Why is Trump pleased then?

Link to tweet

[StarfishSaver]

45. Trump SAYS he's pleased

Why do you take him at his word? He's a liar.

Of course, he's positioning himself as having won this - what else would he say after he caved on this?

[onecaliberal]

51. Says the traitor who didn't have the guts to show up and testify.

Pathological liar.

[Miguelito Loveless]

39. Precisely.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Cue apologists telling me this 11 dimensional chess.

[Proud liberal 80]

10. Didn't they?

[TwilightZone]

15. Nope.

We got Trump to admit on record that the McCarthy call happened exactly as described.

Proof that he didn't care about the riot and wasn't going to do anything to stop it. Right from the horse's mouth.

Cave, eh? Bullshit.

[Bev54]

21. They don't need McCarthy, Trump (through his lawyers)

admitted to the call and contents as is on record.

[budkin]

33. The issue is that the veracity of the call was left up to interpretation by the Senators n/t

[StarfishSaver]

55. How would that be any different if Herrera testified in person?

The senators still had the right to believe or disbelieve her.

[demmiblue]

44. No, they stipulated that her testimony would be consistent with her written statement. Weasel words.

Here is the video if you would like to review it:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007603877/impeachment-herrera-beutler-statement.html

Edit to add:

Link to tweet

[StarfishSaver]

46. Declining to object is an admission

And it can be used against him in the future if it comes up.

But even if it weren't, the point was to get the information into the record. That's just what they did. Without dragging out the proceedings or subjecting her to cross-examination.

[Bev54]

54. I agree

I have been in a court case where this exact thing happened and if they do not object, which they said, stipulates the conversation to be true and it is an agreement by their client that they agree to the contents of the statement.

[dlk]

12. Is anyone considering the possibility witnesses didn't want to testify?

Maybe they are afraid of retaliation and rightfully so.

[StarfishSaver]

18. The point of her testifying was to put in the record what she heard about the phone call

They got into the record what she heard about the phone call, with no objection from Trump.

Done.

[Demsrule86]

34. +1000

[dlk]

38. Exactly

[yardwork]

25. The Republican witnesses would have lied through their teeth.

Meanwhile, the Republican senators would have subpoenaed hundreds of witnesses, making BLM look bad, promoting the biggest lie of all - that we're "just as bad." It would have played into their hands and Trump would still be acquitted.

[cry baby]

14. Lots of people here and in the media like immediate gratification.

We’re all addicted to it.

[StarfishSaver]

16. Of course they are

And some Democrats are gulping down the bait, as usual.

[ecstatic]

20. they were literally just complaining about how long things would be dragged out due to witnesses.

The media shapes the behavior of our leaders, who are then tossed under the bus when they cave to those very pressures.

As for me, I would have supported Democrats if they had chosen to continue, but I also understand that rethugs were insisting that they weren't going to change their votes regardless. I'm not sure that's the case, but at the same time, I'm satisfied that Democrats did their part in attempting to hold tRump accountable. Now it's up to our next Attorney General.

[onecaliberal]

27. I want it to take as long as it takes. I have no preference.

The Biden Administration and Democratic lawmakers are demonstrating they can not only walk and chew gum, but do it very well.

[Demsrule86]

30. Well guess what? The American people want help now.

[onecaliberal]

53. Guess what this has zero bearing on the COVID relief

Working it’s way through congress. Pelosi and Schumer have both made several statement about the process moving forward on schedule.

[Demsrule86]

32. The fact that Lindsey Graham voted for this...should make people think...

[yardwork]

22. Looks like we did pretty well, to me.

Days or weeks giving a platform to Republicans lying wouldn't serve our democracy well. Hell, the Republicans probably would have subpoenaed Hillary and questioned her again about Benghazi.

We Democrats need to understand that Republicans don't play by any ethical standards. Trump is going to be acquitted, no matter what. The question for Democrats is how do we preserve and sustain our democracy?

[Demsrule86]

25. +10000

[onecaliberal]

28. 👆🏻👆🏻

[Demsrule86]

24. Who cares. It was a trap and no one gives a damn about the trial...mores the pity.

[budkin]

31. This tweet tells you all you need to know

Link to tweet

[coti]

37. Dems overthought it and confused themselves

Forgot their strategy and what mattered in the environment they're working in.

[Demsrule86]

40. Nope, no witnesses...would have slowed everything down...no help for the people...

and there would be no conviction. And the GOP would call witnesses to drag it out. Trump is lying.

[coti]

41. Trump's not lying. He wants this over as quickly as possible.

You're overthinking it and getting all turned around.

[StarfishSaver]

48. Why do you think he wants this over with?

I'll bet he's loving it.

[jalan48]

43. Bipartisanship at long last!

[maxrandb]

35. Yes, because the ONLY way we were going to get 17 Retrumplican shitheels

to convict was with "witnesses"

[StarfishSaver]

50. If only a congresswoman no one here had heard of until yesterday testified in two or three weeks,

this whole thing would turn around.

[tavernier]

42. Here's the thing. They won't change their vote regardless.

Everyone, including myself, would like every fact brought to light. But in the end it still won’t matter when it comes to the outcome. And honestly, most Americans want congress to get back to the stimulus. They pretty much know that at the end the Trump vote will be split politically, and the longer that takes, the longer they will wait for a check.

[MelissaB]

47. Didn't we?

[StarfishSaver]

56. No.

Not at all.

[Iggo]

49. So is half of DU.

It was inevitable.

[StarfishSaver]

57. Yup.