Romney's single vote to convict Trump at the first impeachment was historic

[Silent3]

Sad, but true, that partisanship has always been so deep, even before our current hyper-partisan situation.

Democrats aren't the guilty ones here. We hold our own far more accountable than Republicans hold their members.

Even in the very likely event Trump is acquitted yet again, I expect at least 5-6 Republican votes to convict, and that will be, by historic standards, and even bigger precedent and indictment of Trump than the last impeachment. Sad that that's as good as probably gets.

We're learning that, at least at the presidential level, the 2/3 requirement for conviction when combined with toxic partisanship make the impeachment procedure pretty damned toothless.

[Proud liberal 80]

1. Yep

Same with filibuster...there is too much partisanship to keep the filibuster.....and the same with requiring 3/4 of states to ratify amendment....seems like nothing can get done with those percentages

[Silent3]

4. For all of the "founding fathers" foresight, they were a bit naive, apparently...

...about how much partisanship would muck up the system.

I'm no expert on this history by far, but my impression is that they thought that differences among the states would be a bigger influence than partisanship, and that state-by-state differences would be a more diffuse effect that created a useful form of diversity of opinion, with ever-shifting per-issue coalitions, instead of a paralyzing polarization on nearly every topic.

[world wide wally]

2. He still loses the majority vote.

That is a good thing. Good ammo.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Our 230+ year-old Constitution could use some retrofitting

[Proud liberal 80]

5. Exactly

Beyond outdated from that time to now