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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe truth is that there is no point in bringing criminal charges against Trump outside of DC
I know its nice to think of Letitia James bringing him down with slam-dunk evidence of decades of wrong-doing, but the truth is that theres not a single state in which youre going to compile a jury containing no members of his cult. Even in DC Id say the odds just about favour acquittal, but its the only place in America where its not a forgone conclusion and a complete waste of time and money.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)Irish_Dem
(80,416 posts)TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)He's a private citizen. He can be pursued by any jurisdiction, particularly in situations where his crimes were committed outside of DC.
"theres not a single state in which youre going to compile a jury containing no members of his cult"
So, we just shouldn't bother? First, I find the assertion shaky (NYC comes to mind). Second, that's not how it works.
birdographer
(2,937 posts)To give up for that reasoning makes no sense. There are fewer cult members than normal humans. With his absence from TV and rallies, and 1/6, some of those cult members might be nearing the fence on him (they aren't ALL insurrectionists)--in addition, given that his rioters are going to jail while he golfs in Florida may also not be sitting well with a bunch of them. They may lose someone to COVID and tumble to his responsibility for that. These are people who are prone to believing what they are told. In a closed courtroom with a convincing prosecutor and normal people all around them, their willingness to be swayed may work in our favor.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)in DC and Manhattan without a single Trumper. Other places are more iffy.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Thats his M.O. Drain his money with legal fees, weigh on his mind, ruin his golf game. Just go after him.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,705 posts)If juries can't reach a unanimous decision they just try him again.
Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)keep trying him without a verdict and his witch-hunt mantra will gain traction, backed up by a compliant and complicit GOP.
jrthin
(5,215 posts)dem4decades
(13,857 posts)jrthin
(5,215 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(11,345 posts)servermsh
(1,406 posts)we can do it
(13,014 posts)billh58
(6,655 posts)Native
(7,327 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(129,730 posts)I'm sure SDNY and the Manhattan DA could put together both grand juries and trial juries there that didn't have rabid Trumpers.
DSandra
(1,718 posts)That Trumps lawyers will make sure that at least one Trumper gets put on the jury, and they will make the jury unable to have a unanimous verdict given how indoctrinated Trumps followers are.
Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)Additionally, the Hawley's, Cruz's and Rubio's of this world will be all over the TV blabbering about how unfair it is and how this great American warrior has been completely cleared, the media wont do quite enough to push back and, eventually, the narrative of it all being politically motivated will take hold with just enough people for the entire affair to be advantageous to Trump.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,874 posts)and present mountains of evidence - not every single Deplorable is going to stick with the RePutinicans. Plus it will sway some Independents.... 2-3% swings nationally in both groups is a huge number of voters. Every vote they lose and we get counts for 2.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)How does the Hague sound?
(But seriously, at leas the attempt needs to be made to hold him accountable and make an example of him.)
Hekate
(100,133 posts)...is assuredly not the same as Federal jurisdiction, and Trump has a loooong history with New York, both the State and the City.
edhopper
(37,171 posts)I think he can be tried in NYC.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)-
If you're gonna do it, do it hard, and in NY!
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Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)but so far it appears the NY people are making a career out of the investigation. I have a hard time believing they don't have enough evidence to convict him of something.
dhill926
(16,953 posts)we'll have his orange ass in jail in a New York minute haha....
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)without even going through a trial. They can seize assets, attach bank accounts, etc.
AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)they also lie about their state taxes. So, state charges that a future republican president can't pardon him from.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)And I am not convinced all Trump voters would ignore the facts in a trial.
