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Eid Ma Clack Shaw

(490 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:37 PM Feb 2021

The truth is that there is no point in bringing criminal charges against Trump outside of DC

I know it’s nice to think of Letitia James bringing him down with slam-dunk evidence of decades of wrong-doing, but the truth is that there’s not a single state in which you’re going to compile a jury containing no members of his cult. Even in DC I’d say the odds just about favour acquittal, but it’s the only place in America where it’s not a forgone conclusion and a complete waste of time and money.

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The truth is that there is no point in bringing criminal charges against Trump outside of DC (Original Post) Eid Ma Clack Shaw Feb 2021 OP
Thanks for the heads up. 58Sunliner Feb 2021 #1
Right, there is no one who will bring criminal charges against Trump and McConnell knows it. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #2
Nonsense. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #3
I agree birdographer Feb 2021 #33
Shithole already have criminals charges outside of DC . . . Iliyah Feb 2021 #4
He could easily get a jury Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #5
Drag him through the courts soothsayer Feb 2021 #6
OTOH he will never be acquitted. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #7
My concern there is that he'll turn it to his advantage Eid Ma Clack Shaw Feb 2021 #12
I disagree. If he's tried in NYC he'll go down. jrthin Feb 2021 #8
As long as Staton Island isn't represented. dem4decades Feb 2021 #15
You have a point...Mississippi on the Hudson. jrthin Feb 2021 #22
ROFL! 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2021 #9
Bringing out the truth, facts, and evidence is important. n/t servermsh Feb 2021 #10
Your concern is noted. we can do it Feb 2021 #11
+100 n/t billh58 Feb 2021 #21
+1000 Native Feb 2021 #25
He's about as popular as an infected hemorrhoid in NYC. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2021 #13
It's still worthy of a chance but I fear this DSandra Feb 2021 #14
Yes. Then when he doesn't go down, he gets to revel in what will be portrayed as exoneration Eid Ma Clack Shaw Feb 2021 #18
I humbly disagree. Drag him thru the mud a half dozen times NoMoreRepugs Feb 2021 #16
Move for a change of venue-- BarackTheVote Feb 2021 #17
Bull. The 50 states each have their own Attorney General and Justice department. State jurisdiction Hekate Feb 2021 #19
I think you are very wrong edhopper Feb 2021 #20
Agree. LakeArenal Feb 2021 #23
I agree with most everyone here... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #24
I hope I'm wrong, Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #29
bring him out to California... dhill926 Feb 2021 #26
Depends on the county. n/t Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #28
The IRS can do a lot of damage to him Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #27
Yup. Like Capone, when all else fails, get 'em for tax evasion. AmyStrange Feb 2021 #30
Yep. And when someone lies about their federal taxes, Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #31
Manhattan might have zero Trump jurors Cicada Feb 2021 #32

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
3. Nonsense.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:38 PM
Feb 2021

He's a private citizen. He can be pursued by any jurisdiction, particularly in situations where his crimes were committed outside of DC.

"there’s not a single state in which you’re going to compile a jury containing no members of his cult"

So, we just shouldn't bother? First, I find the assertion shaky (NYC comes to mind). Second, that's not how it works.

birdographer

(1,328 posts)
33. I agree
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:39 PM
Feb 2021

To give up for that reasoning makes no sense. There are fewer cult members than normal humans. With his absence from TV and rallies, and 1/6, some of those cult members might be nearing the fence on him (they aren't ALL insurrectionists)--in addition, given that his rioters are going to jail while he golfs in Florida may also not be sitting well with a bunch of them. They may lose someone to COVID and tumble to his responsibility for that. These are people who are prone to believing what they are told. In a closed courtroom with a convincing prosecutor and normal people all around them, their willingness to be swayed may work in our favor.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
6. Drag him through the courts
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:39 PM
Feb 2021

That’s his M.O. Drain his money with legal fees, weigh on his mind, ruin his golf game. Just go after him.

Eid Ma Clack Shaw

(490 posts)
12. My concern there is that he'll turn it to his advantage
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:42 PM
Feb 2021

keep trying him without a verdict and his “witch-hunt” mantra will gain traction, backed up by a compliant and complicit GOP.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,691 posts)
13. He's about as popular as an infected hemorrhoid in NYC.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:42 PM
Feb 2021

I'm sure SDNY and the Manhattan DA could put together both grand juries and trial juries there that didn't have rabid Trumpers.

DSandra

(999 posts)
14. It's still worthy of a chance but I fear this
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:42 PM
Feb 2021

That Trumps lawyers will make sure that at least one Trumper gets put on the jury, and they will make the jury unable to have a unanimous verdict given how indoctrinated Trumps followers are.

Eid Ma Clack Shaw

(490 posts)
18. Yes. Then when he doesn't go down, he gets to revel in what will be portrayed as exoneration
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:45 PM
Feb 2021

Additionally, the Hawley's, Cruz's and Rubio's of this world will be all over the TV blabbering about how unfair it is and how this great American warrior has been completely cleared, the media won’t do quite enough to push back and, eventually, the narrative of it all being politically motivated will take hold with just enough people for the entire affair to be advantageous to Trump.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,423 posts)
16. I humbly disagree. Drag him thru the mud a half dozen times
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:42 PM
Feb 2021

and present mountains of evidence - not every single Deplorable is going to stick with the RePutinicans. Plus it will sway some Independents.... 2-3% swings nationally in both groups is a huge number of voters. Every vote they lose and we get counts for 2.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
17. Move for a change of venue--
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:44 PM
Feb 2021

How does the Hague sound?

(But seriously, at leas the attempt needs to be made to hold him accountable and make an example of him.)

Hekate

(90,683 posts)
19. Bull. The 50 states each have their own Attorney General and Justice department. State jurisdiction
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:46 PM
Feb 2021

...is assuredly not the same as Federal jurisdiction, and Trump has a loooong history with New York, both the State and the City.

Mr.Bill

(24,288 posts)
29. I hope I'm wrong,
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:00 PM
Feb 2021

but so far it appears the NY people are making a career out of the investigation. I have a hard time believing they don't have enough evidence to convict him of something.

Mr.Bill

(24,288 posts)
27. The IRS can do a lot of damage to him
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:55 PM
Feb 2021

without even going through a trial. They can seize assets, attach bank accounts, etc.

Mr.Bill

(24,288 posts)
31. Yep. And when someone lies about their federal taxes,
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:06 PM
Feb 2021

they also lie about their state taxes. So, state charges that a future republican president can't pardon him from.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
32. Manhattan might have zero Trump jurors
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:27 PM
Feb 2021

And I am not convinced all Trump voters would ignore the facts in a trial.

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