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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe truth is that there is no point in bringing criminal charges against Trump outside of DC
I know its nice to think of Letitia James bringing him down with slam-dunk evidence of decades of wrong-doing, but the truth is that theres not a single state in which youre going to compile a jury containing no members of his cult. Even in DC Id say the odds just about favour acquittal, but its the only place in America where its not a forgone conclusion and a complete waste of time and money.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,054 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)He's a private citizen. He can be pursued by any jurisdiction, particularly in situations where his crimes were committed outside of DC.
"theres not a single state in which youre going to compile a jury containing no members of his cult"
So, we just shouldn't bother? First, I find the assertion shaky (NYC comes to mind). Second, that's not how it works.
birdographer
(1,328 posts)To give up for that reasoning makes no sense. There are fewer cult members than normal humans. With his absence from TV and rallies, and 1/6, some of those cult members might be nearing the fence on him (they aren't ALL insurrectionists)--in addition, given that his rioters are going to jail while he golfs in Florida may also not be sitting well with a bunch of them. They may lose someone to COVID and tumble to his responsibility for that. These are people who are prone to believing what they are told. In a closed courtroom with a convincing prosecutor and normal people all around them, their willingness to be swayed may work in our favor.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)in DC and Manhattan without a single Trumper. Other places are more iffy.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Thats his M.O. Drain his money with legal fees, weigh on his mind, ruin his golf game. Just go after him.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If juries can't reach a unanimous decision they just try him again.
Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)keep trying him without a verdict and his witch-hunt mantra will gain traction, backed up by a compliant and complicit GOP.
jrthin
(4,836 posts)dem4decades
(11,289 posts)jrthin
(4,836 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,993 posts)servermsh
(913 posts)we can do it
(12,184 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)Native
(5,942 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,691 posts)I'm sure SDNY and the Manhattan DA could put together both grand juries and trial juries there that didn't have rabid Trumpers.
DSandra
(999 posts)That Trumps lawyers will make sure that at least one Trumper gets put on the jury, and they will make the jury unable to have a unanimous verdict given how indoctrinated Trumps followers are.
Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)Additionally, the Hawley's, Cruz's and Rubio's of this world will be all over the TV blabbering about how unfair it is and how this great American warrior has been completely cleared, the media wont do quite enough to push back and, eventually, the narrative of it all being politically motivated will take hold with just enough people for the entire affair to be advantageous to Trump.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,423 posts)and present mountains of evidence - not every single Deplorable is going to stick with the RePutinicans. Plus it will sway some Independents.... 2-3% swings nationally in both groups is a huge number of voters. Every vote they lose and we get counts for 2.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)How does the Hague sound?
(But seriously, at leas the attempt needs to be made to hold him accountable and make an example of him.)
Hekate
(90,683 posts)...is assuredly not the same as Federal jurisdiction, and Trump has a loooong history with New York, both the State and the City.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)I think he can be tried in NYC.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)-
If you're gonna do it, do it hard, and in NY!
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Mr.Bill
(24,288 posts)but so far it appears the NY people are making a career out of the investigation. I have a hard time believing they don't have enough evidence to convict him of something.
dhill926
(16,337 posts)we'll have his orange ass in jail in a New York minute haha....
Mr.Bill
(24,288 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,288 posts)without even going through a trial. They can seize assets, attach bank accounts, etc.
AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,288 posts)they also lie about their state taxes. So, state charges that a future republican president can't pardon him from.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)And I am not convinced all Trump voters would ignore the facts in a trial.