Someone will have to explain to me how and why a man responsible for nearly

[malaise]

half a million deaths from Covid, a man who violated elections laws to try and remain president and who was found guilty by 57 Senators and 58% of the American population for insurrection which led to deaths and mayhem in the Capitol, a man who put children in cages, .an incompetent racist woman-hating fool who lied non-stop is still considered a viable candidate for anything other than a prison cell..

Donald Trump is finished. I hope he croaks but I also hope he has immense pain before that.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Because he is a racist, supports white supremacy, and many Americans agree with it.

[musclecar6]

4. Unfortunately

You are correct. That said, I think there are maybe 70 percent of the Republican party that are deplorables and 30% are moderates. So coupled with the independents and Democrats I don’t think this guy has a chance of ever winning anything again

[Irish_Dem]

7. Unless Putin gives him help again.

[Blue_true]

56. Putin isn't too spry these days, from what I read. nt

[Irish_Dem]

57. He has all the American assets lined up and in place.

Shouldn't be too much work or trouble at this point.

[Roc2020]

13. Bottom line.

For many of Trump supporters Tribal White Nationalism is enough to die for Trump. Jarring but true.

[Irish_Dem]

22. Exactly, they are willing to be killed rather than give POC their just rights.

[orangecrush]

24. I hope every one of them gets their wish.

[Blue_true]

55. That automatically gets him to 30% of voters. nt

[radius777]

59. Bingo. America was designed to be a white-ocracy not a democracy.

There have been moments - such as the civil war and then the civil rights movement - that sought to make it a true democracy. But there have always been right wing backlashes (Jim Crow, Trumpism) that sought to restore the original design. The Trumpers and white nationalists 'understand' America on a gut level. The system is heavily slanted towards rural white areas - reflecting the framers' intent that 'land owning white men' would be the true citizens.

The only way we're going to change this is with true structural change where we rewrite the Constitution and 'hard code' equality into it for all citizens.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

70. Equality is hard coded; rewriting the Constitution is the holy grail of oligarchs and supremacists.

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/meet-the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america

Calhoun was an intellectual and political powerhouse in the South from the 1820s until his death in 1850, expending his formidable energy to defend slavery. Calhoun, called the “Marx of the Master Class” by historian Richard Hofstadter, saw himself and his fellow southern oligarchs as victims of the majority. Therefore, as MacLean explains, he sought to create “constitutional gadgets” to constrict the operations of government.

Economists Tyler Cowen and Alexander Tabarrok, both of George Mason University, have noted the two men’s affinities, heralding Calhoun “a precursor of modern public choice theory” who “anticipates” Buchanan’s thinking. MacLean observes that both focused on how democracy constrains property owners and aimed for ways to restrict the latitude of voters. She argues that unlike even the most property-friendly founders Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, Buchanan wanted a private governing elite of corporate power that was wholly released from public accountability.

Suppressing voting, changing legislative processes so that a normal majority could no longer prevail, sowing public distrust of government institutions— all these were tactics toward the goal. But the Holy Grail was the Constitution: alter it and you could increase and secure the power of the wealthy in a way that no politician could ever challenge.

[Moostache]

2. I spend too much time pondering painful ways of his end...

He is poison for the soul...it either makes yours sickened with revulsion and grief, or it imbues you with his particular evil, amplifies your inherent hate and kills what was left of your soul.

Either way, he is poison for the soul.

[smirkymonkey]

40. I thought I was the only one.

And that is what is so uniquely horrible about him. He turns US into monsters too, just because of the hatred he inspires in anyone who can truly see him for who he really is.

[In_The_Wind]

3. Fear of retribution is keeping him free.

[lindalou65]

5. I second that!

That is the question so many of us ask! you put our thoughts into words and perfectly!

Thank you!!

[sfstaxprep]

6. Because We Are A Failed Nation

With so many still standing by this horrible excuse for a human being, I see no way we can EVER get past this.

Dark times behind us. Dark times ahead. We don't deserve the country our founders left us, and we won't have it.

[CrispyQ]

8. I hope his legal battles are just beginning.

I hope they come at him so fast & furious they consume all of his time & all of his money.

[RKP5637]

9. Trump, is a pillar of negative energy in the universe. Some people give him a free pass, I

don't get it. I thought I sort of knew what the human race was about, at least in the US, but I guess not. I am always stunned at why so many support this flaming asshole Trump. He's an endless list of gross inhuman acts and thoughts, but yet some worship him. And this is quite scary, as it indicates to me they would willingly support someone similar or worse. I attribute much of it to the HATE media in the US and sometimes religion. It must be very difficult for some not to grow up with twisted hateful minds that see Trump as a god figure.

[3catwoman3]

10. No matter how many explanations I read, and there have been...

...many, the broad appeal of Trump still puzzles the hell out of me.

He is crude, coarse, crass, common, cruel and contemptible. Not a shred of decency. Why does this appeal to so many people? (Rhetorical question)

[Jetheels]

25. He sells the best snake oil, people are saying.

[northoftheborder]

28. If there is a Devil, rump is totally consumed with him, body, mind, and soul. Evil personified.

[malaise]

15. Could not say it better

[RKP5637]

47. Thanks!

[gab13by13]

42. The MSM pushes his propaganda,

Hitler had a harder task than Trump. The MSM is non stop pushing right wing bull shit right now.

I do agree, though, that not everyone was fooled, many feel the same as Trump. This country is full of bad people and it saddens me.

[RKP5637]

48. I'm coming to that conclusion too, "This country is full of bad people and it saddens me." n/t

[Kablooie]

11. He's Republican.

For decades Republicans have had special treatment that allows them to break laws and act immorrally without consequences. This is just the culmination of that policy.

Democrats are still constrained by morals and law but Republicans truly aren't.

[Mr. Ected]

12. He is the mirror image of the darkest side of America

Turns out America is chock full of hate and it will take decades if not longer to work it out.

[malaise]

16. Don't be too hard on your country

Monsters and their supporters are everywhere on the planet

[Mr. Ected]

51. You speak truth

We can do better, we can BE better. But people are people and they always have been.

[yellowdogintexas]

66. essentially the Republican party has always appealed to the darker side

of our voting population. This is why I have not voted for a Republican but once and that was for Howard Baker back in 1974. He was what the Republican party was like in the days prior to Nixon.
T**** just took it lower than anyone ever believed it could go

It is going to be a long haul to normalcy and i truly think it is going to be a new normal for all of us

[bucolic_frolic]

14. I wonder or suspect

if he's still viable because he still has the goods on much of the GQP.

43 GQP Senators overlooked an assault on their workplace that threatened their lives and staff. Just wrote it off.

Perhaps they viewed it as an act that created fear or threat? Question is fear of what?

[malaise]

19. Nothing else makes sense

43 GQP Senators overlooked an assault on their workplace that threatened their lives and staff. Just wrote it off.

[dlk]

17. Rich, white, male privilege is real

Too often, they are give a pass for crimes anyone else would be locked up for. The patriarchy has a lock on power and they aren’t inclined to share.

[llmart]

53. They locked up Martha Stewart for a whole lot less.

So, yes. Your answer is spot on.

[dlk]

60. Statistically, women usually receive harsher sentences than men

For the same or similar crimes.

[speaknow]

18. Money!

[Nululu]

20. More died than were born in Oregon last year.

Covid is now a major cause of death.

[malaise]

26. That is deeply troubling

Good effin' grief!

[pandr32]

21. I certainly agree with your sentiment in the last line.

[KS Toronado]

23. He set himself up for the immense pain coming his direction.

Prisons don't sell hair spray, orange face paint, Big Macs, or have golf courses.

[LakeArenal]

27. Who?

[TygrBright]

29. Sure, malaise. I'll explain...

TWENTY-FUCKING-TWO PERCENT of the electorate regrets only that he didn't succeed, not that he tried, to turn America into a meaner, whiter, more squalid place.

In addition to those 22%, there is a "float" of another 15 - 20% (est.) of conscienceless greedhead fucktards who may not approve of this or that specific disgusting action, but stand to receive some form of personal benefit, real or perceived, out of SOME disgusting action. So they're motivated TOWARD candidates known to have a non-existed "whoa, that's too disgusting, I can't do that" threshold.

In addition to those two groups, there is another substantial group so terrified of change or unpleasant realities in any form that they actively reject any facts that seem skeery, and vote based on an autopilot established back when the GOP was still making an effort to look like a normal political party.

It's that middle group that swings the balance, and they will continue to support [Redacted] and others like him as candidates for public office, as long as it's possible for our elected officials to grift to their potential benefit unchecked. Because they know they can rely on the first and third groups to eke out enough support to get their candidates elected.

There.

Understand now?

helpfully,
Bright

[malaise]

33. Sadly I think you are correct

What a mess

[spooky3]

30. Agree with you and others. Also, our system is part of the problem:

—the Founders didn’t anticipate such huge population differences among the states or the influence of media, and created a patently unfair Senate and Electoral College.
—Citizens United allowed money to play an even greater negative role in elections and policy.
—impeachment may not be the best process with a dysfunctional minority party.

Etc

[dalton99a]

31. He needs to suffer. I don't want him to just drop dead

His beautiful and perfect demise should be natural, slow, agonizing, excruciating, humiliating, and without relief

[malaise]

34. THIS

[soldierant]

64. I very much want him to siffer, and I also want

him to be discredited in the eys of his base. I think prison might be best to accomplish both. But it at any time the two goals should become incompatible, I vote for the discrediting. for the sake of the nation.

[smirkymonkey]

43. +1000

[I_UndergroundPanther]

54. Unending suffering humiliation and pain and poverty

Than after all that you said
He kills himself and gets himself paralysed from the attempt and cannot call for help slowly dying in silence, in a gutter alone in a storm of cold rain. His body isn't found until it is swollen and rotten.

So he is cremated and no one claims his remains so it goes nameless in an unmarked state grave.

[BobTheSubgenius]

32. Reading the OP - with which I am in COMPLETE agreement - for some reason, the "58%" struck me.

That bodes extremely poorly for a conviction in a criminal court, for almost anything and everything he's done or will do. It is statistically almost impossible to select a jury pool without MAGAts. Unless they spend a couple of months in voir dire, it is hard to imagine a jury without at least a couple.

[Turin_C3PO]

41. DC or Manhattan.

Only 5% voted Trump in DC and 12% in Manhattan. Plus, in my anecdotal experience, even the Trump voters in those locales aren’t necessarily MAGA type cultists. So it is possible to get a jury that would convict in a few locales.

[BobTheSubgenius]

49. Yes, in those jurisdictions, and probably in a few others, it would be possible.

I thought that one might more reasonably expect 88 instead of 58, which worries me in more ways than one.

[malaise]

67. Frightening indeed

I hope we get him

[Person of Interest]

35. Because it says more about those who support him than about Herr Trump himself!

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[spanone]

36. Evil incarnate...

[IronLionZion]

37. I hope he destroys the Republican party on his way to hell

They should fight amongst themselves over supporting him and his family. Lara is planning to run for Senate in NC. Ivanka is eyeing Senate in Florida.

[moondust]

38. 74 million reasons.

Racist pig tribalism?

[BlueJac]

39. You are correct...

All this bullshit about him running in 2024 is just that, Bullshit. He will be lucky not to be locked up.

[BobTheSubgenius]

50. I agree.

Especially if the GOP splits along "reasonable but wrong vs bat-shit crazy" lines. Granted, the psycho wing will go to the second group, right down to their children and pets, but I think there was at least a certain number that went along with them because the alternative was voting for a Democrat.

[occupant]

44. See no evil, hear no evil

I'm right there with ya Malaise ! I just don't wanna ever see the fuckers face again. Stop it cable channels ! Stop showing his f'in face all the time. I don't wanna hear his whiny little bitch voice.Can't for one whole f'in day we not see his anus mouthed mug? I'm just gonna have to turn off the cable news...

[gab13by13]

45. Stress, hamberders, buckets of chicken, diet Coke,

no respectable lawyers to represent him, no Twitter, his golf swing looks awful, his businesses are failing, he will be approaching an "old 80 years old," and many many trials. I can't wait for the E. Jeanne Carroll trial when he has to provide a DNA sample. The future is not bright for Trump. BWAHAHA.

[Tommymac]

46. The answer is very simple...one word...

Republicans.


Nothing else need be said.

[Duppers]

52. Because all their RW media outlets LIED

To the rethugian voter base & they believed them.

[Crunchy Frog]

58. Personality cult.

[orleans]

61. all i can tell you is that i will not be the one explaining this to you--as i can not explain it nt

[peggysue2]

62. Because 30-40% of the population still supports this shit

Which means we need to strengthen, secure and expand our own base at the voting box--the majority--and never let anyone forget how close we actually came.

Donald Trump may be finished but his cultists, militant supporters and enablers are still out there just waiting for another opportunity.

As I said on another thread: We dodged a bullet this time. But I wouldn't put money on a second round.

[plimsoll]

63. And they're violent.

I'm surprised that those GOP fools didn't figure out the mob will turn on them when trump tells them to.

[llashram]

65. lots and lots

of immense pain. That POS deserves it

[trusty elf]

68. He'll be inducted into....

the HELL OF FLAME!

[malaise]

69. Hi there trusty elf

[trusty elf]

73. Hi malaise!

[betsuni]

71. Republican.

[Cozmo]

72. His viability is based on the number of masochists who inhabit our country