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dalton99a

(81,452 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:13 PM Feb 2021

Texas wholesale electric prices spike more than 10,000% amid outages

https://www.reuters.com/article/electricity-texas-prices/update-2-texas-wholesale-electric-prices-spike-more-than-10000-amid-outages-idUSL1N2KL0XG

February 15, 2021 8:17 AM
Texas wholesale electric prices spike more than 10,000% amid outages
By Tim McLaughlin

(Reuters) - The spot price of wholesale electricity on the Texas power grid spiked more than 10,000% on Monday amid a deep freeze across the state and rolling outages among power producers, according to data on the grid operator’s website.

Real-time wholesale market prices on the power grid operated by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) were more than $9,000 per megawatt hour late Monday morning, compared with pre-storm prices of less than $50 per megawatt hour, according to ERCOT data.

The surge reflects the real-time megawatt hour price of electricity and the cost of congestion and losses at different points across the grid. Early on Monday, ERCOT said extreme weather conditions forced many power generating units off the grid, upending the supply of electricity.

On Feb. 10, well before inclement weather hit Texas, spot wholesale prices on ERCOT settled around $30 per megawatt hour at the end of the day, ERCOT data show. But on Sunday, the price per megawatt hour surged past $9,000 on the grid.

ERCOT can be more susceptible to wholesale price spikes because it does not have a capacity market, which pays power plants to be on standby during peak demand and weather emergencies, for example. ERCOT’s model means consumers are not paying for generation that may never be called into action.

But early on Monday, ERCOT said extreme weather conditions caused many generating units – across all fuel types – to trip offline and become unavailable. That forced more than 30,000 megawatts of power generation off the grid, ERCOT said in a news release.


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Texas wholesale electric prices spike more than 10,000% amid outages (Original Post) dalton99a Feb 2021 OP
price gouging to the max. AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #1
Terrible jimfields33 Feb 2021 #4
No wonder cruz needs to beg from the federal government for his voters Volaris Feb 2021 #8
Please remind me why capitalism is so much better than Socialism... Enterstageleft Feb 2021 #2
Since cruz is getting a campaign kickback from Astroglide, ya... Volaris Feb 2021 #9
Socialism is a failure also . Taxing and providing services is not socialism . California is not JI7 Feb 2021 #27
and they don't even have Enron to blame for this DBoon Feb 2021 #3
Let's privatize the power grid. What could go wrong? Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #5
Paving the way for electricity insurance. ooky Feb 2021 #6
It's out of control splano Feb 2021 #7
Regardless of the contents of this particular article, Zerohedge is a rightwing conspiracy theory pnwmom Feb 2021 #17
They have done this to themselves A HERETIC I AM Feb 2021 #10
How hard is it to pry guns from frozen hands? ret5hd Feb 2021 #11
I am more concerned about old people and poor people Blue_true Feb 2021 #13
Just have them lick the barrel Klaralven Feb 2021 #15
Huh, if Texas were a proper functioning state, their Board of Public Utilities would cap such abuses TheBlackAdder Feb 2021 #12
Wait until customers see their next utility bill. nt Blue_true Feb 2021 #14
That's criminal, as far as I'm concerned! Buckeye_Democrat Feb 2021 #16
Cue the calls for economic assistance to help pay utility bills. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2021 #18
All the Republicans are blaming Biden and "New Green Deal" LeftInTX Feb 2021 #19
Texas specifically has an independent, non-federal jurisdiction power grid, and everybody knows it greenjar_01 Feb 2021 #20
They don't care, they say whatever they want to say regardless whether it is true or false LeftInTX Feb 2021 #22
That's $9 per kwh. coti Feb 2021 #21
Leave Now unless you want a high bill, WTF? sarcasmo Feb 2021 #23
Paywall, can't even read the first line..can you copy the first four paragraphs please? LeftInTX Feb 2021 #24
Below sarcasmo Feb 2021 #25
Thank you! LeftInTX Feb 2021 #26
if this were California, we would be getting bashed for mismanagement Demovictory9 Feb 2021 #28

jimfields33

(15,770 posts)
4. Terrible
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:40 PM
Feb 2021

I heard the wind binds are frozen and it’s 23 percent of the energy for Texas. They should not be able to price gouge ever but especially during an emergency.

Enterstageleft

(3,395 posts)
2. Please remind me why capitalism is so much better than Socialism...
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:36 PM
Feb 2021

It's better to let people freeze and go bankrupt than to take away our chance to fuck you in the ass when you most need help?

Is that it?

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
9. Since cruz is getting a campaign kickback from Astroglide, ya...
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:15 PM
Feb 2021

Keep the assfuckings coming, and if necessary he can go beg biden for condom money, essentially.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
27. Socialism is a failure also . Taxing and providing services is not socialism . California is not
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:24 AM
Feb 2021

socialist .

splano

(10 posts)
7. It's out of control
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:09 PM
Feb 2021

Yeah. It’s comically high right now.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/energy-emergency-texas-power-provider-warns-rotating-outages-cold-weather-tests-limits-grid

Update (1715ET): As the day has progressed, amid deteriorating weather forecasts and no let up in demand (despite ERCOT's urgings), our trader contact at a Houston energy firm sums the situation up as eloquently and succinctly as ever:

"we've officially hit the 'Holy Fucking Shit Levels' here..."

Ancillary Services, specifically Responsive Reserves which ercot issued an operational notice stating they needed more offers, does not have the same $9,000 cap level. It cleared a comical eleventy gabillion; actually a cheap $11,950.....PER MEGAWATT.

Do the simple math on that.

If you are a retailer, obligated to, lets just say, 25MW, and did not hedge (meaning you left it to get filled by ERCOT at market clearing price), you just incurred a $7.1M cost on an around the clock basis for a single day.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
17. Regardless of the contents of this particular article, Zerohedge is a rightwing conspiracy theory
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 12:20 AM
Feb 2021

website.

We shouldn't be promoting Zerohedge here.

https://www.mediamatters.org/zero-hedge

A HERETIC I AM

(24,366 posts)
10. They have done this to themselves
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:19 PM
Feb 2021

Texas is an “Energy Island”

Look it up.

This is state policy, in that they are basically unable to import electricity via any high tension line network from neighboring states.

In an effort to render themselves autonomous, they have made themselves ultimately vulnerable

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. I am more concerned about old people and poor people
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 12:07 AM
Feb 2021

than I am about gun-humping idiots that are freezing.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
18. Cue the calls for economic assistance to help pay utility bills.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 12:29 AM
Feb 2021

ERCOT's refusal to buy reserve generation capacity like saying "don't waste you money on flashlight batteries or emergency food rations and blankets". "Just have fun and spend it all at Walmart on guns and Chinese shit".

And, cue the hundreds of Texas preachers and politicians making every excuse in the book.

Oh, and don't puke if someone mentions the word Enron......

Just occurred to me that this will be the Biden Administration's first new big emergency to deal with and I hope the previous one did not destroy all the things he needs to respond efficiently.

KY.......

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
19. All the Republicans are blaming Biden and "New Green Deal"
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 12:33 AM
Feb 2021

I know, I know....


But that's what they're doing....I'm only the messenger..

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
20. Texas specifically has an independent, non-federal jurisdiction power grid, and everybody knows it
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 12:59 AM
Feb 2021

Hard to blame the federal government for power problems when you proudly proclaim power independence as a kind of state mantra.

The Texas power grid is independent of federal authority, by design. They did it to themselves.

coti

(4,612 posts)
21. That's $9 per kwh.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:16 AM
Feb 2021

Which is far, far beyond absurd. The average house uses 30-40 kwh per day (so this would be $270-$360 per day in electricity). A house can also use much more power than that in winter, depending on its heat source.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
25. Below
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 02:48 AM
Feb 2021



Snip < “We made the unprecedented decision to tell our customers — whom we worked really hard to get — that they are better off in the near term with another provider,” said Michael Fallquist, chief executive officer of Griddy. “We want what’s right by our consumers, so we are encouraging them to leave. We believe that transparency and that honesty will bring them back” once prices return to normal.
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