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Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:49 PM Feb 2021

H P Love craft was a horrible human being, but

He had a way with words.


“As for the Republicans—how can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd, dwell smugly and sentimentally in a distorted dream-cosmos of outmoded phrases and principles and attitudes based on the bygone agricultural-handicraft world, and revel in (consciously or unconsciously) mendacious assumptions (such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical ‘American heritage’…) utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.” H P Lovecraft


Pretty sure he was just as complimentary of democrats, but can't find that one.
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H P Love craft was a horrible human being, but (Original Post) Buzz cook Feb 2021 OP
Wow! And I had no idea he was horrible. I hope I can still like Cthulhu soothsayer Feb 2021 #1
He was very antisemetic Docreed2003 Feb 2021 #3
Ah, thank you. He totally nailed the republicans soothsayer Feb 2021 #4
Racist too. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #6
Yeah, and almost cartoonishly racist. Aristus Feb 2021 #7
He was very anti-everyone who isn't northern European sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #10
Really, anyone that wasn't WASP cemaphonic Feb 2021 #31
He was both antisemetic and racist still_one Feb 2021 #13
He was horrible all right. ShazzieB Feb 2021 #16
Phew! Thank you soothsayer Feb 2021 #18
Like Cthulhu, play the game Buzz cook Feb 2021 #17
I think I scored a Kickstarter acknowledgment in The Very Hungry Cthulhupillar soothsayer Feb 2021 #20
The game is fantastic. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2021 #21
He was a product of his era Amishman Feb 2021 #22
He was worse than his time sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #32
He was pretty extreme by the standards of his peers and social group cemaphonic Feb 2021 #33
Very nice find. Bookmarking. niyad Feb 2021 #2
Do you have a citation for this? nuxvomica Feb 2021 #5
Sorry no citation. Buzz cook Feb 2021 #12
No problem. Found it at Wikiquote nuxvomica Feb 2021 #14
He definitely was John Ludi Feb 2021 #8
Bookmarking and stealing! GoneOffShore Feb 2021 #9
After the Stock Market Crash exboyfil Feb 2021 #11
Fuck that racist. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #15
I never read Lovecraft, but I used to have this album: panader0 Feb 2021 #19
Puts the lie to the canard that Trump took over the GOP. He is the culmination of their philosophy.. Midnight Writer Feb 2021 #23
Correct me if I'm wrong MisterNiceKitty Feb 2021 #24
Republicans were already Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #25
Nevertheless the Democrats were very much the party of the KKK during his era MisterNiceKitty Feb 2021 #26
The Democratic party Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #27
yes and the majority of black Americans voted Republican during Lovecraft's lifetime MisterNiceKitty Feb 2021 #29
Yes, of course. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #30
He was from a Republican background, so his statements about the GOP are damning andym Feb 2021 #28

Turin_C3PO

(13,989 posts)
6. Racist too.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:59 PM
Feb 2021

Supposedly he became more tolerant as his life progressed, stopped supporting Hitler when he heard that Jews were getting beat up in the streets.

Aristus

(66,339 posts)
7. Yeah, and almost cartoonishly racist.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:59 PM
Feb 2021

Everyone who wasn't white, Lovecraft described in terms of ugliness, monstrosity, degeneracy, you name it.

He had a cat he named N****rman.

sweetloukillbot

(11,014 posts)
10. He was very anti-everyone who isn't northern European
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 02:01 PM
Feb 2021

The man was a horrible racist, even for his time. I still enjoy his work despite his racism, but the racism is painfully obvious once you know it's there. And I think any discussion or analysis of his work needs to include discussions about his bigotry.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
31. Really, anyone that wasn't WASP
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 06:17 PM
Feb 2021

He had a bit of an existential crisis on learning that he had some Welsh ancestry.

ShazzieB

(16,392 posts)
16. He was horrible all right.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 02:13 PM
Feb 2021

He was a major bigot and white supremacist, antisemitic, and xenophobic. Here's just one article about that side of him: https://lithub.com/we-cant-ignore-h-p-lovecrafts-white-supremacy/

In spite of all that, you have my permission to continue liking Cthulu. As awful as Lovecraft was, his artistry as a writer is still undeniable. And Cthulu is awesome.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
22. He was a product of his era
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:26 PM
Feb 2021

It is unfair to hold a man to modern standards when he's been dead for almost a century.

Read his works and enjoy their originality. When you stumble across a part that is particularly insensitive and offensive, just let it be a reminder of what we once were as a society and how far we've come overall.

sweetloukillbot

(11,014 posts)
32. He was worse than his time
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 06:22 PM
Feb 2021

And his work wouldn't have existed with out his racism - his fear and hatred of everyone not white/English is the cornerstone of the Cthulhu mythos.
It's been taken wonderful places since then, but Lovecraft is quite a bit more than "Grandpa said the N-word again."

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
33. He was pretty extreme by the standards of his peers and social group
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 06:24 PM
Feb 2021

which were mostly urban, educated New Englanders, and the other writers he corresponded with.

OTOH, his career overlapped with the resurgence of the KKK, and some of the worst atrocities of the Jim Crow era, so I always question the idea that he was unusually racist by overall American standards of the time.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
12. Sorry no citation.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 02:04 PM
Feb 2021

Found it on the net several years ago. Saved it and forgot about it. Just refound it this morning.

On edit, googled and its pretty common.

nuxvomica

(12,423 posts)
14. No problem. Found it at Wikiquote
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 02:06 PM
Feb 2021

It's from a letter to C.L. Moore (August 1936), quoted in "H.P. Lovecraft, a Life" by S.T. Joshi, p. 574
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft

John Ludi

(589 posts)
8. He definitely was
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:59 PM
Feb 2021

a product of his times...and not always in a good way.

I love his work though...I started reading him as a pretty young kid. Unfortunately...and I say this as a rock musician whose been around a LOT...great art can often come from some pretty messed up people...in fact, that's almost the norm.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
11. After the Stock Market Crash
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 02:01 PM
Feb 2021

Lovecraft was an advocate of socialism.

Just not for blacks or other "foreigners".

I think Lovecraft was very influential to horror literature which is currently my favorite genre. I like his stories, but his racial attitudes were retrograde.

Midnight Writer

(21,760 posts)
23. Puts the lie to the canard that Trump took over the GOP. He is the culmination of their philosophy..
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:30 PM
Feb 2021

Trump is their ultimate goal, the apex of Republican fantasies..

MisterNiceKitty

(422 posts)
24. Correct me if I'm wrong
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:44 PM
Feb 2021

But Lovecraft lived during the pre-Southern strategy era when Democrats were more likely the party of segregation not Republicans.
This isn't to say I know his party affiliation.

MisterNiceKitty

(422 posts)
26. Nevertheless the Democrats were very much the party of the KKK during his era
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:50 PM
Feb 2021

It wasn't the like the modern party at all.

Turin_C3PO

(13,989 posts)
27. The Democratic party
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:51 PM
Feb 2021

was an uneasy alliance between left wing progressives, union-type workers, and segregationist Southerners.

MisterNiceKitty

(422 posts)
29. yes and the majority of black Americans voted Republican during Lovecraft's lifetime
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:13 PM
Feb 2021

That transition to the modern party system occurred from the New Deal era to the Great Society era (1930s-1970s) with the Civil Rights era in the mix.

Right or wrong the Republican Party was still seen as the Party of Lincoln, again during this era.

andym

(5,443 posts)
28. He was from a Republican background, so his statements about the GOP are damning
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:04 PM
Feb 2021

It's thought he even might have voted for Hoover. In the end his views shifted toward favoring socialism, but hating communism, and liked FDR. So his comments about Republicans are particularly damning.

His nativist leanings live to this day in the Trump GOP. His antisemitism was tempered by the fact he married a Jewish woman, but his racist views apparently remained to his end.

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