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Bryan William Jones
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This is a good time to note that the electrical grid in Texas was deregulated, privatized, and removed from interconnected networks to avoid federal regulation and increase profits to a small number of wealthy individuals.
9:50 AM · Feb 16, 2021 from Salt Lake City, UT
niyad
(113,259 posts)dalton99a
(81,451 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)Wouldn't be civil. Unity and all that, don'tchano.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)That is all.
orleans
(34,049 posts)malaise
(268,930 posts)Trickle down is a piss poor philosophy - great post
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Pee on me
North Shore Chicago
(3,313 posts)the word trickle and piss in one sentence!
Hah!
malaise
(268,930 posts)Oldem
(833 posts)that trickle down economics is the theory that you feed the birds by giving more oats to the horse.
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)The Ralson Purina company was looking into more efficient ways to feed hogs.
They housed a hog in a crate area with a slatted roof and housed another hog in a crate immediately above the first. The top hog received normal rations of shelled, un-milled corn. The bottom hog ate only what the top hog had passed through it's system. At the end of the experiment both hogs had gained identical weight over the time span. Additional savings was found in that feed milling costs were eliminated.
Republicans have applied this to their economic philosophy. I suppose they have a problem with millers making a decent living. They personally don't care what they're eating so long as their portion is served first.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)You can hardly taste what the pig eats at all.
maxrandb
(15,322 posts)we're gaining an equal amount of weight as the people at the top shitting on us
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)They don't even pretend its processed. They just run it out of the hose right onto the airwaves. 100% unadulterated pig shit, 24/7.
Purrfessor
(1,188 posts)Oldem
(833 posts)that trickle down economics is the theory that you feed the birds by giving more oats to the horse. Oops! Posted twice. Maybe Harkin bears repeating.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)rurallib
(62,406 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:39 PM - Edit history (1)
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And here:
And more at Friedman's twitter link
https://mobile.twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1361693012225650688
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"...privatized, and removed from interconnected networks to avoid federal regulation and increase profits to a small number of wealthy individuals."
The entire corrupt GOP Tx Gov't is profiting from their own deregulation laws.
Because THAT IS WHAT REPUBLICANS DO.
Someone's making bank off this deadly storm. And they don't give a shit who lives, dies or suffers. People or animals.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)California doesn't use "rolling blackouts" to mitigate wildfires. They used them last summer because of high demand caused by a heat wave.
To mitigate wildfire danger "public safety power shutoffs" are used and they are prolonged shutoffs in areas served by power lines that are in fire danger zones, usually by a combination of high winds, high temperatures and low humidity. These shutoffs are not "rolling", they are prolonged usually lasting anywhere from 2-7 days so far.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,117 posts)On just about every social or personal malfeasance in this country. Hell, in the world when you figure in the weapons makers. And, no they do not give a shit and I doubt they ever did. Greed is going to destroy everything around here... assuming it hasn't already and we just can't see it yet.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)federal Gubmint headed by President Joe Biden, and run by them evil Democrat enviro-commies in Congress.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)33taw
(2,439 posts)Celerity
(43,317 posts)https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/19/make-america-rake-again-finland-trump-forest-fire
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)owned by Hedge Funds filled with Foreign Money. And the Enron effect is now hitting Texas,Arkansas,Oklahoma and Louisiana.
Not surprised how Mother Nature has kicked these Right Wing States in the butt. This is what happens when one does not follow the Science and relies on some Mystical ideals.
musette_sf
(10,200 posts)And when they did it they thought it was SO f'n funny to sing "Freeze A Yankee".
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)Drive 90 ... freeze a Yankee
Here's looking at you, Tex!
RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)Theres just too many good, which is to say non Republican, human beings in Texas who are suffering because of the a-holes who voted-in Abbott and Patrick and Paxton and Cruz and Cornyn and all of the other grifting low-intelligence lower-life schemers who are to blame for this.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)But, I can hate them for it.
Leith
(7,809 posts)Well, that one didn't age well.
Liberal In Texas
(13,546 posts)And regulations, who needs that? We can put up windmills cheaper because they're not required to have the cold weather kit.
Also saw something today that we're getting people now saying we'd better build more nuclear plants. Because of some BS that it's clean energy.
plimsoll
(1,668 posts)Clean? Depends on your definition. We still need a more robust energy infrastructure, and nuclear probably should be a part of that until we have fusion. But fusion has been just around the corner since the 1950's, so don't hold your breath.
sarchasm
(1,012 posts)IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)GOPers are online claiming frozen Texas windmills are the problem, not their deregulated power grid.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)but...Texas didn't want the cold weather turbines which do just fine in the cold. Texas chose to go cheap and buy the warm weather turbines.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)There can't be much difference in the price, can there?
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)and heaters for various parts. Canada has plenty of wind turbines in conditions way colder than Texas can ever dream of.
This happens so rarely in Texas that they designed their system for hot summers, not icy winters. Conservatives like to blame wind turbines, but natural gas is the main source of power for Texas in the winters, and the pipelines and compressors froze for the same reason. They were designed for warm weather.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)yes wind is part of it, but a smaller part.
Here's a Vox explainer: https://www.vox.com/2021/2/16/22284140/texas-blackout-outage-winter-storm-uri-ercot-power-grid-cold-snow-austin-houston-dallas
The biggest shortfall in energy production stemmed from natural gas. Gas pipelines were blocked with ice or their compressors lost power. Much of the gas that was available was prioritized for heating homes and businesses rather than generating electricity. Thats helpful for people who use gas for heating but less so for those who use electric furnaces.
Wholesale natural gas prices, meanwhile, shot up as much as 4,000 percent. According to Bloomberg, electricity prices in northern Texas jumped to $300 per megawatt-hour, up from the average this month of $18 per megawatt-hour.
In total, about 34,000 megawatts of power generation in Texas went offline during the winter blast, more than 40 percent of peak winter demand. So even with a diverse range of energy sources, Texas was left scrounging for electrons in the bitter cold.
whopis01
(3,510 posts)The power lost due to problems with natural gas and other fossil fuel generation systems was an order of magnitude greater than the power lost due to wind turbines.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)"The Texas power grid, powered largely by wind and natural gas, is relatively well equipped to handle the states hot and humid summers when demand for power soars. But unlike blistering summers, the severe winter weather delivered a crippling blow to power production, cutting supplies as the falling temperatures increased demand."
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Wholesale-power-prices-spiking-across-Texas-15951684.php
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)They only don't work in Texas for some reason.
plimsoll
(1,668 posts)Lots of places where it get's cold. It's obvious that Texas once again planned on the happy path.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)Or so it's being reported
Who was the big time Texas oil man who became a major wind power advocate? I can't recall his name.
Karadeniz
(22,506 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)House of Roberts
(5,168 posts)I recall he went big for wind turbine power some time ago.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)A real mixed bag.
CaptainTruth
(6,588 posts)...the past several days to do high winds.
The problem is the approx 30GW of gas/coal plants that are offline.
I should note that the "13% wind" is the baseline contribution that ERCOT uses for this time of year when compiling their energy supply "budget" (how much each source can be counted on to contribute).
ERCOT is the Energy Reliability Council Of Texas, the organization that runs the state's power grid.
progressoid
(49,978 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)And you can bet the barrons will rig it.
TwilightZone
(25,464 posts)Other articles have noted that wind production was at higher than expected levels, even with the frozen turbines.
The problem was mostly frozen equipment at other facilities - natural gas, coal, and nuclear - and a shortage of natural gas.
HUAJIAO
(2,383 posts)said that quite a few natural gas and oil 'plants' were shut down for repairs/maintenance preparing for the summer 'rush' !
TwilightZone
(25,464 posts)They've known for a couple weeks that this storm was going to arrive. It was a bit worse than forecast, but not that much. Mismanagement all around, it seems. Not surprising considering the deregulation and funding cuts under Perry, Abbott, etc.
ananda
(28,858 posts)Theyve just called on all public utilities, including
Austin Energy, for more load shedding.
Austin Energy seems to be pushing back a bit bc
this would mean cutting energy for hospitals
and critical services.
I do not expect to have my power restored for
quite some time, but I can tough it out OK.
Well over 40% of Austin residents are without power
as it is.
This is beyond ridiculous!
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)or at least most of it. Apparently there are some areas in the panhandle and in East TX that are connected to adjoining states.
I also hear that much of Northern Mexico is losing power because the TX natural gas pipelines have been freezing up and failing.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)It is working just fine for the few controlling it....and really, that's all that matters, isn't it? We should be happy and even honoured to be carrying water for the. Sometimes literally.
Clearly fogged in
(1,896 posts)After that, meh.
benld74
(9,904 posts)Used their own. Publicly sold. Until 07/20, sold to JPMorgan hedge for $4.3b!
Look out El Paso
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)All they know is how to do is to cut taxes for the wealthy and cut regulations for the wealthy.
Fla Dem
(23,650 posts)Someone should look into that.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Texas can get from MEXICO!
Ziggysmom
(3,406 posts)Deacon Blue
(252 posts)Oil (pronounced awl), black gold, Texas tea, dinosaur wine and its sister Methane run the politics of this the Reddest of the Red. Texas, Our Texas, so benighted and beholden.
And have you noticed how the Fossil Lovers have slammed green energy for this problem? Nothing to do with the oligopoly sheltered as a semi-state-run (socialist? no way!) enterprise. Jehezius Christ, just awful, so many handles to grab here...
Cha
(297,154 posts)Greed!
live love laugh
(13,100 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)dchill
(38,472 posts)Rebl2
(13,492 posts)that working for them now.
Nitram
(22,791 posts)it is fair game in the Lone Star State. Remember Enron?
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Kablooie
(18,626 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,591 posts)modrepub
(3,494 posts)To me it seems TX has politicized its electric grid. It reflects a political philosophy that all government is bad and doesn't work.
If it is truly a private business organization then heads will roll. No private company would tolerate a failure of this magnitude. Stock owners would be upset, board meetings would be contentious, management would be shaken up and CEOs would be fired. You don't run a private company this badly without repercussions.
If no reforms are made and upper management stays intact then this is more of a political creature than a private company. As we've seen, politicians seem to be the only folks who get to deny that rules apply to them.