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Demovictory9

(32,454 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:23 PM Feb 2021

downtown Houston glows while outskirts are in the dark, some sleep in their cars












https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9266809/Deep-freeze-paralyzes-Texas-knocks-power-grid.html

Deep freeze paralyzes Texas and knocks out its power grid - sending cost of oil surging to over $60 a barrel for first time in a year
and leaving 5 million shivering at home without power or sleeping in their cars as Storm Uri leaves its mark

The cold bast caused by winter storm Uri is wreaking havoc on the energy industry with Texas oil wells and refineries halted and natural gas pipelines and wind turbines frozen

Oil production in the country's largest crude-producing state has plunged by more than two million barrels a day due to the storm, which has sent prices surging to $60 a barrel for the first time in a year
Wind turbines, which account for a fifth of the state's energy, have frozen solid and are contributing to the state's power woes as temperatures plummet to a bitter -20F
Nearly five million households in Texas were without power overnight and many residents took desperate refuge in their cars for warmth
The Southwest Power Pool, a group of utilities across 14 states, were forced to impose unprecedented rolling blackouts because the supply of reserve energy had been exhausted
The current crisis started to unfold when freezing temperatures that started at the beginning of the month sent prices for heating fuels, including oil and natural gas, surging higher
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downtown Houston glows while outskirts are in the dark, some sleep in their cars (Original Post) Demovictory9 Feb 2021 OP
Quite the dichotomy...empty office buildings cozy & lights blazing and people huddling in their cars dutch777 Feb 2021 #1
They have a lot of high rise living downtown. Dustlawyer Feb 2021 #6
That makes some sense although high rises in most states require generators for safety systems and dutch777 Feb 2021 #24
corporate greed nt msongs Feb 2021 #2
It's like The Little Match Girl. Horrible. Croney Feb 2021 #3
Our wind power went out when the turbines froze up. Laelth Feb 2021 #4
Happy to see you, Laelth babylonsister Feb 2021 #14
They are, a bit, yes. Thank you. Laelth Feb 2021 #16
Wind isn't the problem. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #17
That's very good to know. Thank you. Laelth Feb 2021 #20
Man that lie got around awfully fast Mariana Feb 2021 #25
How much comes from natural gas? (Clicked your link but hit a paywall). Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #28
If you're going to sleep in your car, do NOT do it in the garage with the engine running TrogL Feb 2021 #5
Unless you are a US Capitol insurrectionist/seditionist. roamer65 Feb 2021 #8
Also make sure your tail pipe is clear of any snow banks and other obstructions. GoCubsGo Feb 2021 #11
I thought this was no longer moonscape Feb 2021 #21
So oil production was affected. Not just frozen wind turbines, I guess Walleye Feb 2021 #7
There is plenty of oil. roamer65 Feb 2021 #9
Sucks. I drove through the south right after Katrina. Shameless price gouging for gas Walleye Feb 2021 #12
Heck of a job, Brownie... roamer65 Feb 2021 #13
No. Natural gas shortage and frozen gear at other (non-wind) power plants. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #19
That makes sense. Thanks Walleye Feb 2021 #22
The early reports were kind of confusing. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #23
Those second and third photos remind me of "The Day After Tomorrow." GoCubsGo Feb 2021 #10
I've got physically impaired family, and some elderly, who are freezing. No power. BComplex Feb 2021 #15
sorry to hear that. Demovictory9 Feb 2021 #27
Same thing is happening in Austin and Dallas... it's a total shitshow budkin Feb 2021 #18
K&R MustLoveBeagles Feb 2021 #26

dutch777

(3,013 posts)
1. Quite the dichotomy...empty office buildings cozy & lights blazing and people huddling in their cars
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:30 PM
Feb 2021

to just stay warm. Wondering if this will spur some action or if it will be a New Orleans like event where everyone bitches and points fingers at everyone else but no one really wants to take responsibility and find money and better ideas to fix anything. And the next hurricane is coming and so too is more extreme weather that could lead to longer cold snaps. Pity folks caught in these poorly governed areas.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
6. They have a lot of high rise living downtown.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:50 PM
Feb 2021

Tenants at the upper floors cannot get up and down 40 floors without elevators. Without a smart grid they have to power all downtown just to protect the high risers. Plus the elderly rich live there and they have stroke to use to get their way.

dutch777

(3,013 posts)
24. That makes some sense although high rises in most states require generators for safety systems and
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 11:04 PM
Feb 2021

elevators. (Firefighters practice taking the stairs with hoses and for stretcher evacs but there is a reason there are the special keyed "Fire Department" settings on elevator control panels-- they tend to use the elevators if they can). Expect it is all you say and more than a smidge of political power reality.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. Our wind power went out when the turbines froze up.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:39 PM
Feb 2021

Wind power accounts for 1/5 of Texas’ electricity production.

Whoops!



-Laelth

babylonsister

(171,061 posts)
14. Happy to see you, Laelth
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:20 PM
Feb 2021

I read your previous post last night; sounded dire. I hope things are better today.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
16. They are, a bit, yes. Thank you.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:27 PM
Feb 2021

We’re not out of the woods yet. I did manage to post an update in the Lounge this morning advising everyone that the daughter and I made it through the night. It was all I could do to get out one post this morning. Internet access has been terrible. Right now, for some reason, it’s great.

We’re not expecting higher-than-freezing temperatures until Saturday. We still have gas to run the minivan and keep us warm. We have had electricity for the past three hours, and that’s a bit shocking, but I am not counting on power lasting much longer. We are expecting a lot of snow tomorrow. We still lack water. Everything is frozen.

We’ll see how it goes, but thank you for thinking of us.



-Laelth

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
17. Wind isn't the problem.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:28 PM
Feb 2021

Wind production is above expected for this time of year, even with the frozen turbines.

Problem was natural gas shortage, combined with frozen equipment at coal, natural gas, and nuclear plants.

"Don’t point too many fingers at Texas wind turbines, because they’re not the main reason broad swaths of the state have been plunged into darkness.

While ice has forced some turbines to shut down just as a brutal cold wave drives record electricity demand, that’s been the least significant factor in the blackouts, according to Dan Woodfin, a senior director for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which operates the state’s power grid.

The main factors: Frozen instruments at natural gas, coal and even nuclear facilities, as well as limited supplies of natural gas, he said. “Natural gas pressure” in particular is one reason power is coming back slower than expected Tuesday, added Woodfin."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/why-is-power-out-much-texas-frozen-wind-farms-are-just-small-piece-puzzle/

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. That's very good to know. Thank you.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:37 PM
Feb 2021

My internet access has been extremely limited throughout this event. Good to get the real scoop.

-Laelth

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
25. Man that lie got around awfully fast
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 11:11 PM
Feb 2021

that Texas is in trouble because of the wind turbines, when in fact the wind turbines are producing more than forecast.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
5. If you're going to sleep in your car, do NOT do it in the garage with the engine running
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:44 PM
Feb 2021

Carbon Monoxide is not your friend.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
19. No. Natural gas shortage and frozen gear at other (non-wind) power plants.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:30 PM
Feb 2021

Problem was natural gas storage due to high demand because of the cold, combined with frozen gear at coal, natural gas, and nuclear plants.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/why-is-power-out-much-texas-frozen-wind-farms-are-just-small-piece-puzzle/

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
10. Those second and third photos remind me of "The Day After Tomorrow."
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:03 PM
Feb 2021

They're reminiscent of the scenes where Jake Gyllenhall's character and others took refuge in the New York Public Library as a catastrophic storm covered the Northern Hemisphere under under ice and snow, with deadly cold. They stayed alive by burning books in the library's fireplace for heat.

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
15. I've got physically impaired family, and some elderly, who are freezing. No power.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:26 PM
Feb 2021

And WTF doesn't Texas have more SOLAR????? Half the state never sees wind except on occasion, but the whole place is totally fixed for sun. These republican run states are so totally fucked up.

budkin

(6,703 posts)
18. Same thing is happening in Austin and Dallas... it's a total shitshow
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:29 PM
Feb 2021

ERCOT, deregulation, and the Texas GOP are responsible.

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