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questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:45 AM Feb 2021

Natural gas is going to cost 5 times as much in February because of this Texas crap

That is what the local news here in Illinois just said

To say this is devastating is an understatement

There is no way average people will be able to absorb it

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Natural gas is going to cost 5 times as much in February because of this Texas crap (Original Post) questionseverything Feb 2021 OP
NG lines are frozen...that's why Texans are freezing right now. nt OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2021 #1
They didn't insulate their lines, why should that cost everyone? questionseverything Feb 2021 #10
The omnipotent Invisible Hand will assure that all participants LastDemocratInSC Feb 2021 #2
Our major utilities have large underground nat gas storage fields in Michigan. roamer65 Feb 2021 #3
Illinois has it's own wells questionseverything Feb 2021 #11
5 times would make my heating bill petty steep. Might be time to shut it down a bit. dem4decades Feb 2021 #4
Agreed, that would make my energy bill 1500 dollars for March. sarcasmo Feb 2021 #7
Wow. Just locked in my rate a couple weeks ago ecstatic Feb 2021 #5
Perhaps we shouldn't be shipping it off to the Asian Pacific Rim at this moment in time. TheBlackAdder Feb 2021 #6
This wild a swing in prices shouldn't be legal questionseverything Feb 2021 #8
Once NG users get boned, there will be a jump in solar & geothermal installations. TheBlackAdder Feb 2021 #9
Texas going its own way on energy. Other States Captain Zero Feb 2021 #12
Your headline is misleading as seen in panicked responses in several replies. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2021 #13
It was the local news/ questionseverything Feb 2021 #15
NG is a byproduct of oil extraction. Frasier Balzov Feb 2021 #14
Tell Putin to go ahead with Nord Stream 2. We no longer have gas to sell to Europe. Klaralven Feb 2021 #16

LastDemocratInSC

(3,646 posts)
2. The omnipotent Invisible Hand will assure that all participants
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:50 AM
Feb 2021

in the economy will be treated fairly except for the suckers who end up losing by a wide margin.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
3. Our major utilities have large underground nat gas storage fields in Michigan.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:58 AM
Feb 2021

In fact, we have the most underground storage in the nation. It’s because Michigan’s bedrock is mainly limestone and shale.

They pump them full when prices are lower, and use it in winter to stabilize prices.

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
6. Perhaps we shouldn't be shipping it off to the Asian Pacific Rim at this moment in time.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:32 AM
Feb 2021

.

I'm sure with international competition those buyers would turn to Russia or some other country if they tried raising the rates even by 200%.

So it seems like it's more of that "We're Americans, but Fuck Americans" viewpoint from the energy companies.

"Oh, where's our government tax cuts and incentives to frack US soil for more LNG for China and other countries?"

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TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
9. Once NG users get boned, there will be a jump in solar & geothermal installations.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:57 AM
Feb 2021

.

NG delivery is as much as NG itself. Propane is another costly alternative and fuel oil is dirty and unpredictable.

Cut off using NG and homeowners will see further cost savings.


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Of course, RED states will tax the shit out of people with residential solar installations.

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Captain Zero

(6,784 posts)
12. Texas going its own way on energy. Other States
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 04:05 AM
Feb 2021
working together on a common grid.
Only Texas has a problem.

Hmmmm. Anybody know a genius that could figure this one out ?


KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
13. Your headline is misleading as seen in panicked responses in several replies.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 04:30 AM
Feb 2021

First, do you have a source for this claim you can add to the OP?

Second, any jump in prices are probably temporary wholesale spot prices that we won't see. These utilities are regulated and no way in hell they can increase retail charges by 5X immediately.

Most likely (and only after regulatory approval), we'll see a small increase over the next year or so to absorb the higher wholesale cost caused by the extreme cold weather. Most utilities like our LG&E have huge buffer reservoirs which also act as a price buffer.

You may want to moderate your headline to keep folks from panicking.

KY

Frasier Balzov

(2,639 posts)
14. NG is a byproduct of oil extraction.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 05:34 AM
Feb 2021

Covid caused demand for oil to drop last year, and a lot of production capacity was shuttered.

The follow-on effect is that supply of NG has dropped going into the winter months.

Harsh winter coupled with reduced supply? Yes, there's going to be some upward price pressure.

But FIVE fold? The NG futures sure aren't indicating anything so extreme going on in the market right now.

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