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Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 08:42 PM Feb 2021

If places like New York city and San Francisco are popular places where people want to live, then...

Why aren't there more cities like NYC and SF in America? I'm not talking about their population densities. More like their urban design. More walkable places that are less dependent on cars. More mixed used zoning between residential and retail. More public parks.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,623 posts)
1. Many cities expand gradually and somewhat unpredictably in ways having to do
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 08:44 PM
Feb 2021

with existing geography and demographics. It's hard to redesign a city that's already fully built up and populated.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
3. Some are. Boston is. Philly is. Chicago is.
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 08:52 PM
Feb 2021

But in the post-WW2 expansion of American cities, we built for cars. We tore out trolley lines. Dense urban housing was left to decay as Whites fled to leafy suburbs.

This is a decades long fix, and conservatives and NIMBYs will have to be dragged kicking and screaming the entire time.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
6. Yep. I've been told Fort Worth doesn't even have buses.
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 08:58 PM
Feb 2021

Up here in Seattle, a light rail network is being built, slowly, over decades, and ver the loud objections and obstructions of NIMBYs and anti-tax loudmouths.

It will never be cheaper to build than it is now.

Irish_Dem

(46,594 posts)
7. I think Biden is hoping to build this kind of thing in the US.
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 09:06 PM
Feb 2021

I would love rail.

If you go to other countries their bullet trains are unreal.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
5. Chicago is like that.
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 08:56 PM
Feb 2021

There's a 12-mile walking path along the lakeshore greenspace-- you can walk to downtown.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
9. No, but you can imitate its design.
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 09:11 PM
Feb 2021

Walkable. Mixed residential and light commercial use.

No sane person wants to live in suburban sprawl.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
10. Becsuse cities are not built that way. They grow based on things like industry, geogrsphic location
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 09:14 PM
Feb 2021

and things like public parks are made from money brought to cities after.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
12. Jane Jacobs' 'Death and Life of Great American Cities' talks about all the forces
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 08:45 AM
Feb 2021

(economic, developmental, planning, and people) that hurt or help cities.


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