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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"My Job Is Not to Protect the Squad": Briahna Joy Gray Wants to Upend Democrats' Political Strategy
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That rhetoric rankled other left-leaning commentators, like Sam Seder, who participated in a three-hour livestreamed debate with Gray on a Friday night last month. Seder, a veteran progressive host, argued that it was unproductive to attack Ocasio-Cortez over what he considered a bogus litmus test, saying that Dore used it as a weapon to create a wedge between progressive voters and lawmakers like the Squad. It alienated people, Seder said on his show last month, a few days after his debate with Gray. I dont know that I ever publicly dissed force the voteI certainly didntuntil Jimmy started saying that AOC was the reason we dont have Medicare for All.
Other critics like [Ryan] Grim [of The Intercept] saw little value in holding a floor vote on a bill that had no chance of passing.
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But most of all, Gray is disappointed by what she sees as a deferential posture on the left that preserves a status quo the likes of Ocasio-Cortez were elected to shatter. If they wont take the fight to Republicans and the Democratic establishment, Gray will take the fight to them. My job is not to protect the Squad and their careers, she said.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/briahna-joy-gray-wants-to-upend-democrats-political-strategy
Springerjjhicka
(79 posts)She potentially does as much damage as the Trump bots.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)I'll stick with the Squad, over Gray.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)When his "commentaries" are posted here, I wonder who would spend 7 minutes of their lives listening to his facile, superficial bloviations.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)I quit listening to TYT after Dore advocated voting for Rump in '16, coz Rump wouldn't be able to get anything done. And Cenk never said anything to disavow Dore.
Sam Seder debated Dore about it, and wiped the floor with him.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)He is not funny
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)as we welcome independent thought, ideals and verbal communications of same. We are a colorful bunch of Liberals, Progressives, Centrists, Moderates, Conservatives. Sometimes it can be a pain in the arse tho, but guess what, that is what Democracy is and we cherish it.
I don't remember censuring members that vote, question, downright oppose an issue because we know that is a stepping stone to fascism, dictatorship and downright one type of so called religious control.
The Democratic Party are not trolls who worship just plain wrongness and in lockstep to it, nor do we worship one asshole.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)Last month, Dore argued that AOC and her progressive allies can best advance the cause of universal health care by denying Nancy Pelosi the support she needs to retain the Speakership until she agrees to hold a House vote on Medicare for All. Dore considers this course of action so self-evidently optimal that the only possible explanation for why Ocasio-Cortez declined to pursue it is that the congresswoman is a fraud who cares more about her career than the needs of her constituents.
She is standing between you and health care, Dore told his viewers last week. Responding to Ocasio-Cortezs argument that it takes years of organizing to lay the groundwork for seemingly spontaneous progressive breakthroughs, Dore exclaimed, I figured this out in two weeks, AOC! You liar. You coward. You gaslighter. The comedians proposition (if not his condemnation of AOC) was taken up by a gaggle of other left-wing YouTube commentators, among them former MSNBC anchor Krystal Ball; host of Secular Talk, Kyle Kulinski; and exBernie Sanders campaign spokesperson Briahna Joy Gray. Ocasio-Cortezs decision to respond to their call on Twitter further amplified its reach.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/jimmy-dore-aoc-medicare-for-all-strategy.html
JI7
(89,247 posts)lapucelle
(18,250 posts)is very telling.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)lapucelle
(18,250 posts)The Bernie Sanders vet and progressive host envies the right-wing medias ability to drive messages and corral Republican lawmakersas a recent Medicare for All podcast push showed the limits of the lefts clout in Congress.
By Tom Kludt
February 18, 2021
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/briahna-joy-gray-wants-to-upend-democrats-political-strategy
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)But perhaps to illustrate what purblind idiots the likes of Brianna Joy Grey and Jimmy Dore are.
Because that is certainly what it does, and that is awareness that ought to be spread far and wide.
still_one
(92,136 posts)Beringia
(4,316 posts)She is young and smart.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)No one of even reasonable intelligence could possibly urge the political courses she does.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)1a (obsolete) : wholly blind
b : partly blind
2 : lacking in vision, insight, or understanding : obtuse
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/purblind
Beringia
(4,316 posts)that you would make.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)It's evidence of a lack of vision, insight, and understanding. I never used the word "stupid" concerning Gray. You did.
People who expect to sit at the head of the table need to first earn a seat of the table. That anyone who disdains the Democratic Party expects to shape the strategies of that party speaks of obtuse entitlement.
The same purblind Gray who tagged Donald Trump to affirm a lie he told about Democrats during a general election debate now expects to have her divisive tactics taken seriously by a party she attacks at every turn.
And when they're not, she finds new Democrats to slander.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)She is taking a different track than you do. I would say she seems ambitious, but that would probably get tagged as misogynist or something.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)(including progressives) who do not adopt unsolicited "strategies", you are certainly correct in saying that Gray and I take different paths.
The judgement of anyone who follows her lead deserves close scrutiny.
Cha
(297,154 posts)have a shite 3rd party voting for jill stein track record.
JI7
(89,247 posts)betsuni
(25,468 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What did Bernie ever see in her?
Cha
(297,154 posts)Mister Ed
(5,928 posts)Gray and the others in the article should be given no more notice than a buzzing fly until and unless they take up the difficult work of governing, as AOC or Senator Sanders do.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Mister Ed
(5,928 posts)While party war-horses like Pelosi and Schumer may deserve much credit, I don't think they'll be getting it anytime soon from these nattering nabobs of negativity on the network who find progressive icons like AOC to be insufficiently pure.
It makes me think that the real agenda of these self-appointed internet influencers may not be the advancement of progressive policies at all, but...something else.
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)The far right and the far left aren't very far apart.
The real differences in this country are between the centrists and the extremists.
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)than far left. Its not even close. Btw, many on this site are what you would call left wing. Are you saying theyre even remotely comparable to the MAGAts?
Cha
(297,154 posts)that ".. BGJ... admired those who stormed the Capitol Building.. " to maim & kill.. & overthrow the Gov.
So there's that. I wouldn't call her "far left".. I'd say she's a dangerous gaslighting tool.
JI7
(89,247 posts)Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #26)
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the vast mainstream they all despise as their common enemy.
Yes, LW extremists are both far fewer and overall far less prone to physical violence -- on their own, but they have the vote and of course RW extremist leaders always try to woo as many as they can. In fact, archconservative Hitler et al even put "socialist" in the party name to entice LW extremists into joining the spittle-spraying strongman and his frothing crowds.
Btw, thinking of SOP populist tactics, remember the Sanders zealots who were outraged by lies about Democrats stealing dozens of primary races, yelled "lock her up" about Hillary, wanted Sanders to illicitly take the 2016 primary away from the majority of voters, and when that didn't happen subsequently switched to Trump and/or otherwise helped defeat Democrats?
Any of that remind people of Trump's rabid supporters in 2020, and right now for that matter?
"Horseshoe" theory. Closed horseshoe, with some extremists shifting both ways depending on which leader seems most able to give them what they want.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It is just incomprehensible that a left wing person would ever in a lifetime cheer something that was the very antithesis of pluralistic democracy.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)Jimmy Dore and Briahna Joy Gray are prime examples of attention-seeking bomb throwers.
They don't even want Medicare for All. They just want attention, and they got it.
JI7
(89,247 posts)but when kids are being shot dead in their classrooms and people are dying of a virus they suddenly start screaming about freedumb
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,250 posts)I'd like to hear what the writer has to say.
Cha
(297,154 posts)mind Gaslighting the Universe.
betsuni
(25,468 posts)It's a thing!
Cha
(297,154 posts)hear herself?
betsuni
(25,468 posts)mcar
(42,302 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)successful movement. As long as success isn't defined as only being able to avoid self destruction long enough to sabotage the will of mainstream majorities.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)I don't think average people know who she is.