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lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 08:39 AM Feb 2021

"My Job Is Not to Protect the Squad": Briahna Joy Gray Wants to Upend Democrats' Political Strategy

These days, Gray has found herself at odds with fellow travelers as much as her centrist adversaries. When most eyes were still fixated on the smoldering embers of the Trump presidency, another drama was unfolding in the very online world of left media. It was during that stormy postelection period when Gray emerged as one of the most vocal champions of a campaign that called on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other members of the progressive caucus to withhold their support for Nancy Pelosi’s speakership unless “Medicare for All” was brought to a floor vote in the House. The effort proved divisive, revealing key philosophical differences among the cadre of podcasters, writers, and YouTubers who, not that long ago, were mostly unified behind Sanders.

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The “force the vote” campaign was spearheaded by Jimmy Dore, a fiery comedian who hosts a progressive show on YouTube with more than 850,000 subscribers. Dore’s advocacy was typified by sometimes profane outbursts directed at other progressives who were wary of the strategy. When Ocasio-Cortez and other members of “the Squad” rebuffed the strategy and backed Pelosi’s speakership, Dore labeled the progressive lawmakers “frauds.”

That rhetoric rankled other left-leaning commentators, like Sam Seder, who participated in a three-hour livestreamed debate with Gray on a Friday night last month. Seder, a veteran progressive host, argued that it was unproductive to attack Ocasio-Cortez over what he considered a bogus litmus test, saying that Dore “used it as a weapon to create a wedge” between progressive voters and lawmakers like “the Squad.” “It alienated people,” Seder said on his show last month, a few days after his debate with Gray. “I don’t know that I ever publicly dissed ‘force the vote’—I certainly didn’t—until Jimmy started saying that AOC was the reason we don’t have ‘Medicare for All.’”

Other critics like [Ryan] Grim [of The Intercept] saw little value in holding a floor vote on a bill that had no chance of passing.

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In the end, the “force the vote” campaign failed to break through in the mainstream press. The dust from that debate is only just now beginning to settle, and Grim said he’s vowed to stop debating it because it’s gotten so toxic.

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Still, the opposition to the “force the vote” left Gray vexed, not least because some insisted that it might result in Pelosi being replaced by Republican Kevin McCarthy as speaker. That was always an exceedingly unlikely scenario given that being elected to the post requires a majority of votes in the currently Democratic-controlled House.

But most of all, Gray is disappointed by what she sees as a deferential posture on the left that preserves a status quo the likes of Ocasio-Cortez were elected to shatter. If they won’t take the fight to Republicans and the Democratic establishment, Gray will take the fight to them. “My job is not to protect ‘the Squad’ and their careers,” she said.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/briahna-joy-gray-wants-to-upend-democrats-political-strategy
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"My Job Is Not to Protect the Squad": Briahna Joy Gray Wants to Upend Democrats' Political Strategy (Original Post) lapucelle Feb 2021 OP
She needs a MAGA hat Springerjjhicka Feb 2021 #1
Dore's a naz-bol, and he's also not a comedian. He's never funny. Mc Mike Feb 2021 #2
It's bewildering to me that anyone takes Jimmy Dore seriously. lapucelle Feb 2021 #4
He's batting for the other team, not just a dummy who 'knows' he's 'smart'. Mc Mike Feb 2021 #7
I never understood the appeal of Dore Gothmog Feb 2021 #51
The Democratic Party is a "big" tent . ... Iliyah Feb 2021 #3
Someone needs to tell Bri Gray, Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball, and Kyle Kulinski this. N/T lapucelle Feb 2021 #6
Those aren't democrats. They are just grifters . JI7 Feb 2021 #12
That they feel entitled to slander elected Democrats who don't bend to their ridiculous schemes lapucelle Feb 2021 #16
What's the purpose of this thread? gab13by13 Feb 2021 #5
To share yesterday's VF story about a public figure seeking to influence Democratic Party strategy lapucelle Feb 2021 #8
Just A Pre-Coffee Guess, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2021 #10
+++ still_one Feb 2021 #14
I looked up purblind. She is certainly not dimwitted Beringia Feb 2021 #21
Apparently Not.... The Magistrate Feb 2021 #23
I don't think she's smart. She voted for Jill Stein in 2016. lapucelle Feb 2021 #24
That doesn't make her stupid, it makes her go against your own choices Beringia Feb 2021 #46
Voting for Jill Stein in 2016 is evidence of Gray not being smart. lapucelle Feb 2021 #47
I think she is insightful and has understanding Beringia Feb 2021 #49
Since her track includes amplifying Trump lies, voting third party, and slandering Democrats lapucelle Feb 2021 #50
Excellent! & I might add they Cha Feb 2021 #27
To expose what these fools are really about and it certainly isn't helping people JI7 Feb 2021 #13
K&R betsuni Feb 2021 #9
She is a Grifter .She said she admires the Terrorists that attacked the CApitol JI7 Feb 2021 #11
... and a Jill Stein supporter. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #18
Omg.. & not a very bright one. Cha Feb 2021 #28
Governing can be very challenging, but yammering on the internet is easy. Mister Ed Feb 2021 #15
Actually, Pelosi and Schumer would have been better examples... NurseJackie Feb 2021 #19
Pelosi and Schumer could give seminars on governing. George II Feb 2021 #20
Indeed. Mister Ed Feb 2021 #22
Who? GeorgeGist Feb 2021 #17
Horseshoe theory BGBD Feb 2021 #25
Far right in this country is far more dangerous Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #26
Yeah, but it was reported upthread Cha Feb 2021 #29
Not when they support the far right as BJG does along with other grifters JI7 Feb 2021 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Feb 2021 #32
The point is that extremists on left and right have often UNITED against Hortensis Feb 2021 #38
A left wing person of true faith would never applaud what happened at the Capitol on Jan 6. Blue_true Feb 2021 #39
A lot of people get into politics to feed their narcissistic egos Yavin4 Feb 2021 #31
Exactly, it's like Rdpublicans claiming to be prolife and all that shit they did over Terry Schiavo JI7 Feb 2021 #33
Uh oh. I noticed on Twitter that briebrie is upset with the Vanity Fair article and.... George II Feb 2021 #34
How can a quote be "misrepresented"? Either she said stuff or she didn't. lapucelle Feb 2021 #35
Oh you know 3rd party bribri.. she doesn't Cha Feb 2021 #41
When quoting someone is "bashing" and divisive. betsuni Feb 2021 #43
Yeah, does she even Cha Feb 2021 #44
Uh oh! betsuni Feb 2021 #36
Oh for God's sake mcar Feb 2021 #37
This is why extremists can't have anything nice. If anything is a Hortensis Feb 2021 #40
I forgot about her. BlueLucy Feb 2021 #42
Honestly, does anyone in their right mind care what this idiot has to say? greenjar_01 Feb 2021 #45
Jimmy Dore and Krystal Ball take her seriously. lapucelle Feb 2021 #48

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
2. Dore's a naz-bol, and he's also not a comedian. He's never funny.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 08:52 AM
Feb 2021

I'll stick with the Squad, over Gray.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
4. It's bewildering to me that anyone takes Jimmy Dore seriously.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:00 AM
Feb 2021

When his "commentaries" are posted here, I wonder who would spend 7 minutes of their lives listening to his facile, superficial bloviations.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
7. He's batting for the other team, not just a dummy who 'knows' he's 'smart'.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:05 AM
Feb 2021

I quit listening to TYT after Dore advocated voting for Rump in '16, coz Rump wouldn't be able to get anything done. And Cenk never said anything to disavow Dore.

Sam Seder debated Dore about it, and wiped the floor with him.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. The Democratic Party is a "big" tent . ...
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 08:59 AM
Feb 2021

as we welcome independent thought, ideals and verbal communications of same. We are a colorful bunch of Liberals, Progressives, Centrists, Moderates, Conservatives. Sometimes it can be a pain in the arse tho, but guess what, that is what Democracy is and we cherish it.

I don't remember censuring members that vote, question, downright oppose an issue because we know that is a stepping stone to fascism, dictatorship and downright one type of so called religious control.

The Democratic Party are not trolls who worship just plain wrongness and in lockstep to it, nor do we worship one asshole.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
6. Someone needs to tell Bri Gray, Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball, and Kyle Kulinski this. N/T
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:03 AM
Feb 2021
Last month, Dore argued that AOC and her progressive allies can best advance the cause of universal health care by denying Nancy Pelosi the support she needs to retain the Speakership — until she agrees to hold a House vote on Medicare for All. Dore considers this course of action so self-evidently optimal that the only possible explanation for why Ocasio-Cortez declined to pursue it is that the congresswoman is a fraud who cares more about her career than the needs of her constituents.

She is standing between you and health care,” Dore told his viewers last week. Responding to Ocasio-Cortez’s argument that it takes years of organizing to lay the groundwork for seemingly spontaneous progressive breakthroughs, Dore exclaimed, “I figured this out in two weeks, AOC! You liar. You coward. You gaslighter.” The comedian’s proposition (if not his condemnation of AOC) was taken up by a gaggle of other left-wing YouTube commentators, among them former MSNBC anchor Krystal Ball; host of Secular Talk, Kyle Kulinski; and ex–Bernie Sanders campaign spokesperson Briahna Joy Gray. Ocasio-Cortez’s decision to respond to their call on Twitter further amplified its reach.


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/jimmy-dore-aoc-medicare-for-all-strategy.html

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
16. That they feel entitled to slander elected Democrats who don't bend to their ridiculous schemes
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:52 AM
Feb 2021

is very telling.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
8. To share yesterday's VF story about a public figure seeking to influence Democratic Party strategy
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:09 AM
Feb 2021
“My Job Is Not to Protect ‘the Squad’”: Briahna Joy Gray Wants to Upend Democrats’ Political Strategy

The Bernie Sanders vet and progressive host envies the right-wing media’s ability to drive messages and corral Republican lawmakers—as a recent “Medicare for All” podcast push showed the limits of the left’s clout in Congress.

By Tom Kludt
February 18, 2021

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/briahna-joy-gray-wants-to-upend-democrats-political-strategy



The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
10. Just A Pre-Coffee Guess, Sir
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:39 AM
Feb 2021

But perhaps to illustrate what purblind idiots the likes of Brianna Joy Grey and Jimmy Dore are.

Because that is certainly what it does, and that is awareness that ought to be spread far and wide.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
23. Apparently Not....
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:20 PM
Feb 2021

No one of even reasonable intelligence could possibly urge the political courses she does.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
24. I don't think she's smart. She voted for Jill Stein in 2016.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:13 PM
Feb 2021
Definition of purblind

1a (obsolete) : wholly blind
b : partly blind

2 : lacking in vision, insight, or understanding : obtuse

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/purblind

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
47. Voting for Jill Stein in 2016 is evidence of Gray not being smart.
Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:13 AM
Feb 2021

It's evidence of a lack of vision, insight, and understanding. I never used the word "stupid" concerning Gray. You did.

People who expect to sit at the head of the table need to first earn a seat of the table. That anyone who disdains the Democratic Party expects to shape the strategies of that party speaks of obtuse entitlement.

The same purblind Gray who tagged Donald Trump to affirm a lie he told about Democrats during a general election debate now expects to have her divisive tactics taken seriously by a party she attacks at every turn.

And when they're not, she finds new Democrats to slander.









Beringia

(4,316 posts)
49. I think she is insightful and has understanding
Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 AM
Feb 2021

She is taking a different track than you do. I would say she seems ambitious, but that would probably get tagged as misogynist or something.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
50. Since her track includes amplifying Trump lies, voting third party, and slandering Democrats
Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 AM
Feb 2021

(including progressives) who do not adopt unsolicited "strategies", you are certainly correct in saying that Gray and I take different paths.

The judgement of anyone who follows her lead deserves close scrutiny.

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
15. Governing can be very challenging, but yammering on the internet is easy.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:51 AM
Feb 2021

Gray and the others in the article should be given no more notice than a buzzing fly until and unless they take up the difficult work of governing, as AOC or Senator Sanders do.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. Actually, Pelosi and Schumer would have been better examples...
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 11:25 AM
Feb 2021
unless they take up the difficult work of governing,
Actually, Pelosi and Schumer would have been better examples. They are the ones who are taking the lead and getting things done and shouldn't be marginalized as though they don't exist, or as though they're ineffective. Fact of the matter is that they do exist, they are effective, they have many more legislative achievements under their belts and many more feathers in their caps. How about some credit where credit is due?

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
22. Indeed.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:11 PM
Feb 2021

While party war-horses like Pelosi and Schumer may deserve much credit, I don't think they'll be getting it anytime soon from these nattering nabobs of negativity on the network who find progressive icons like AOC to be insufficiently pure.

It makes me think that the real agenda of these self-appointed internet influencers may not be the advancement of progressive policies at all, but...something else.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
25. Horseshoe theory
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:31 PM
Feb 2021

The far right and the far left aren't very far apart.

The real differences in this country are between the centrists and the extremists.

Turin_C3PO

(13,964 posts)
26. Far right in this country is far more dangerous
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:33 PM
Feb 2021

than far left. It’s not even close. Btw, many on this site are what you would call left wing. Are you saying they’re even remotely comparable to the MAGAts?

Cha

(297,154 posts)
29. Yeah, but it was reported upthread
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:27 PM
Feb 2021

that ".. BGJ... admired those who stormed the Capitol Building.. " to maim & kill.. & overthrow the Gov.

So there's that. I wouldn't call her "far left".. I'd say she's a dangerous gaslighting tool.

Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #26)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. The point is that extremists on left and right have often UNITED against
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:48 PM
Feb 2021

the vast mainstream they all despise as their common enemy.

Yes, LW extremists are both far fewer and overall far less prone to physical violence -- on their own, but they have the vote and of course RW extremist leaders always try to woo as many as they can. In fact, archconservative Hitler et al even put "socialist" in the party name to entice LW extremists into joining the spittle-spraying strongman and his frothing crowds.

Btw, thinking of SOP populist tactics, remember the Sanders zealots who were outraged by lies about Democrats stealing dozens of primary races, yelled "lock her up" about Hillary, wanted Sanders to illicitly take the 2016 primary away from the majority of voters, and when that didn't happen subsequently switched to Trump and/or otherwise helped defeat Democrats?

Any of that remind people of Trump's rabid supporters in 2020, and right now for that matter?

"Horseshoe" theory. Closed horseshoe, with some extremists shifting both ways depending on which leader seems most able to give them what they want.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
39. A left wing person of true faith would never applaud what happened at the Capitol on Jan 6.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:50 PM
Feb 2021

It is just incomprehensible that a left wing person would ever in a lifetime cheer something that was the very antithesis of pluralistic democracy.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
31. A lot of people get into politics to feed their narcissistic egos
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:41 PM
Feb 2021

Jimmy Dore and Briahna Joy Gray are prime examples of attention-seeking bomb throwers.

They don't even want Medicare for All. They just want attention, and they got it.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
33. Exactly, it's like Rdpublicans claiming to be prolife and all that shit they did over Terry Schiavo
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 07:22 PM
Feb 2021

but when kids are being shot dead in their classrooms and people are dying of a virus they suddenly start screaming about freedumb

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. Uh oh. I noticed on Twitter that briebrie is upset with the Vanity Fair article and....
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 08:54 PM
Feb 2021

....used the sexist term "cat fight"!


lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
35. How can a quote be "misrepresented"? Either she said stuff or she didn't.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 09:05 PM
Feb 2021

I'd like to hear what the writer has to say.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. This is why extremists can't have anything nice. If anything is a
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 10:03 PM
Feb 2021

successful movement. As long as success isn't defined as only being able to avoid self destruction long enough to sabotage the will of mainstream majorities.

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