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Johns Hopkins doctor says Covid will be gone by April: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Feb 2021 OP
Well, it's March in like a few days, so JenniferJuniper Feb 2021 #1
Yes this will answer itself. Any opinion is just that. This one shines a tiny light of optimism. bullimiami Feb 2021 #2
Awful optimistic, but good if it comes true. IMHO, I think it will rage on in pockets, as SWBTATTReg Feb 2021 #3
"More than half the population has reached herd immunity" does not sense. 11cents Feb 2021 #4
I call BS, too PJMcK Feb 2021 #7
That's not exactly true BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #9
He could be right genxlib Feb 2021 #18
Both the CDC and WHO have said the actual number of infections is significantly higher BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #12
There was a website last year... regnaD kciN Feb 2021 #17
Is his name maybe... superpatriotman Feb 2021 #5
I recall in the summer there were some European doctors claiming that LisaL Feb 2021 #6
...of what year? regnaD kciN Feb 2021 #8
My first reaction, too. GMTA...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #11
I think that is highly unlikely. It is taking doc03 Feb 2021 #10
I think that is highly unlikely. It is taking doc03 Feb 2021 #13
Like a little optimism, assuming we continue isolation, masks, etc., until officially announced. Hoyt Feb 2021 #14
Makes no sense. EndlessWire Feb 2021 #15
I saw this article earlier today genxlib Feb 2021 #16
Not likely Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #19
In Ohio.. luvs2sing Feb 2021 #20
He has been a contrarian edhopper Feb 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author 11cents Feb 2021 #22
Nope. roamer65 Feb 2021 #23
April of what year? DFW Feb 2021 #24
This is literally fake news SoonerPride Feb 2021 #25
I don't get my first vaccine shot until March 4th. LiberalFighter Feb 2021 #26
Glad he's not my doctor bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #27
Scott Atlas? moondust Feb 2021 #28
Fox news boy. Kingofalldems Feb 2021 #29

SWBTATTReg

(22,100 posts)
3. Awful optimistic, but good if it comes true. IMHO, I think it will rage on in pockets, as
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:23 PM
Feb 2021

big pockets of anti-mask sentiments and such, allows the virus to continue unchecked in these areas. Then of course, one of them will come into an area that practices safe CV routines, such as wearing of masks, spacing, etc., and then get people around them sick, starting up the whole mess again.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
4. "More than half the population has reached herd immunity" does not sense.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:25 PM
Feb 2021

"Herd immunity" is a property of the population as a whole. The senseless headline and summary are the fault of Newsweek, which has become a horrendous (and RW) rag.

But the doctor's statement, as conveyed by Newsweek, also includes a huge assumption:

"Makary argued that half of the U.S. has already reached herd immunity because there are more coronavirus cases in the country, possibly 6.5 times as many, than the 28 million that have been reported."

I mean -- maybe the actual number of cases is 6.5 times as many as those reported. Maybe not.

This really sets off my bullshit detector.

PJMcK

(22,025 posts)
7. I call BS, too
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:30 PM
Feb 2021

Makary is making the claim that 182 million Americans have been infected, (28 million X 6.5). That is about half of the U.S. population. No one else has made such a claim. Where is his evidence.

Well, at least he got his name in the media.

BannonsLiver

(16,352 posts)
9. That's not exactly true
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:37 PM
Feb 2021

The CDC and WHO have both said that the actual number of infections is significantly higher than the official number. At one point the WHO estimated the actual number could be as high as 20 times that of the official number. Do you think the official count reflects the actual number of those infected? Because nobody believes that.

While I think he’s probably overly optimistic, I’ll go with what the dr says until someone here with actual credentials refutes his arguments.

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
18. He could be right
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:51 PM
Feb 2021

About the incidence of how many Americans have had it. I would agree that it is probably a multiple of tested cases but whether that multiple is 2x, 3x 6.5x or 10x no one really knows. I think it was super high in the beginning and then tapered off.

The real problem I have with that projection is that he is assuming all of those people have some decent level of immunity. I think it is safe to say that significant cases do give immunity for at least a period of time because reinfections have been fairly low.

However, his data set for making that assumption is based on people who were sick enough to get tested. The other 5.5x people that never got tested were likely a lot less sick or even asymptomatic. It seems presumptuous to assume that mild and asymptomatic cases would deliver the same level of protection.

He makes some other errors which I address in my post #16 below.

Bottom line, I am also optimistic but this guy is about 4-6 weeks ahead of where I put us.

BannonsLiver

(16,352 posts)
12. Both the CDC and WHO have said the actual number of infections is significantly higher
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:39 PM
Feb 2021

Than the official numbers. Whether it’s 180 million or not who knows but it’s higher than the official tally. That is certain.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
17. There was a website last year...
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:42 PM
Feb 2021

...that used machine learning to estimate the actual number of cases, the vast majority of which, in their view, were undiagnosed. Their conclusion was that, at the point they stopped tracking numbers in early October, the real number of infections was around 7.3 times the recorded cases.

Whether this is true or not, who knows? By that standard, approximately 201 million Americans have been infected, or about 61% of the population. Generally, "herd immunity" is considered to be reached around 70-80%. So, theoretically, he may be right...if the assumptions made at that website are correct, and if having previously contracted the virus means you're safe from new variants. Personally, I'm dubious about both counts, but I guess we'll see. If numbers start dropping to near zero in the U.S. by the end of April, I'll be willing to grant his analysis, but I'm not holding my breath until then.

EndlessWire

(6,488 posts)
15. Makes no sense.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:41 PM
Feb 2021

I'm all for optimism. We WILL beat this. But, it's going to take a lot of vaccinations.

We have been hearing of the mutations that are developing. Yes, this is normal. But, those that know are being very grim about these developments. We have to continue the path we set, to get everyone vaccinated and continue to wear our masks, wash our hands, and decrease our contact with each other, until the coast is clear.

Sure makes me wonder why a JH doc would put a specific time table on an end to the pandemic.

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
16. I saw this article earlier today
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:41 PM
Feb 2021

The actual article is in the WSJ at https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731

It got sent to me by a friend who has been downplaying the whole thing for a year so naturally he wants to declare victory and move on.

I happen to agree on the general point that things have improved drastically but this guy is a little overly optimistic for my taste. For one thing, some of his numbers are whack. He claims that the the former FDA Commissioner claims that we will be at 250 vaccination doses by the end of March. Slow down cowboy. What he actually said was this.

Gottlieb said the new administration has "made a lot of progress" with vaccine distribution, delivering as many as 2 million vaccine doses on some days. He predicted by the end of March, there will be 250 million vaccines delivered onto the market if the one-dose coronavirus vaccine from Johnson & Johnson receives an authorization for emergency use by the FDA, with another 100 million vaccines delivered in April.
"If you assume a 60-40 split between first doses and second doses, you assume about 60% of the supply that's coming onto the market is going to first doses. By the end of March, we'll have delivered 150 million vaccines and in April, another 60 million," he said. "We're going to run out of demand. I mean, I think we need to start thinking about the demand side of this equation soon."


So he overstated the vaccine in arms number in that prediction by 100 million. And the lower number seems accurate. We are at about 60 million so far with about 40 days to go until March 31. We have to average more than 2 million a day to get to hit 150 million when we are averaging about 1.7 now. I think we can hit that number but not the 250. We would have to average nearly triple our current output to hit that. Bear in mind that Biden only promised 100 million by the end of April. He later changed that to 150 million. But hitting 150 million at the end of March would still be beating this projection by 30 days. Getting to 250 million in that reduced time frame is not on anybody's radar.

I can't really speak to the natural immunity within people who have already had it. The problem is that nobody can. I suspect that it is greater than expected but not foolproof or predictable. He is making a huge leap by saying those who have had it bad enough to get tested have some level of immunity and extrapolating that to the people that never got tested. I think that could be a flaw in logic since there is no guarantee that those presumably milder cases would garner the same antibody response in the patient.

The bottom line is I think he is right overall but about 4-6 weeks ahead of schedule. I do think we are going to be in really great shape by end of April or middle of May.

Meanwhile, I lost another colleague this week. Early forties with young kids. It is too early to declare victory. We are doing better but that just means that we have improved from atrocious to bad. We need to be patient because letting down our guard too early will just drag it out and make it worse.

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
23. Nope.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 06:39 PM
Feb 2021

There will be a smaller third wave in October when states try to go back to full in person schooling.

There will still be enough anti-vaxxers for it to spread, espcially the new variants. I think it will be mostly gone by Spring 2022.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
24. April of what year?
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 06:42 PM
Feb 2021

2022, maybe?

The way things are going here, we'll be lucky to get vaccinated in this calendar year. We're thinking of visiting the USA for a month just so we have a better chance of getting vaccine. They keep changing the rules, so we don't know if they will still let my wife in or not.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
25. This is literally fake news
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 06:52 PM
Feb 2021

Sorry but this is just not going to happen

I would be willing to bet a large amount of money.

Like my mortgage. Not kidding.

bucolic_frolic

(43,121 posts)
27. Glad he's not my doctor
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 07:17 PM
Feb 2021

Professional demeanor, bedside manner, confidence in technology have created enough misdiagnoses in my life.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
28. Scott Atlas?
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 07:45 PM
Feb 2021

Billions of Earthlings w/o access to vaccines to fight multiple developing variants in a globalized world with lots of travel could mean a long-term hellscape.

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