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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJohns Hopkins doctor says Covid will be gone by April:
HUGE (HUGH) grain of salt here. He works or has worked at Fox News
I hope he's right and Biden will get the credit. Make Trump and his cult really jealous.
Link to tweet
JenniferJuniper
(4,510 posts)I'd like to see a few more opinions on this one.
bullimiami
(13,083 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)big pockets of anti-mask sentiments and such, allows the virus to continue unchecked in these areas. Then of course, one of them will come into an area that practices safe CV routines, such as wearing of masks, spacing, etc., and then get people around them sick, starting up the whole mess again.
11cents
(1,777 posts)"Herd immunity" is a property of the population as a whole. The senseless headline and summary are the fault of Newsweek, which has become a horrendous (and RW) rag.
But the doctor's statement, as conveyed by Newsweek, also includes a huge assumption:
"Makary argued that half of the U.S. has already reached herd immunity because there are more coronavirus cases in the country, possibly 6.5 times as many, than the 28 million that have been reported."
I mean -- maybe the actual number of cases is 6.5 times as many as those reported. Maybe not.
This really sets off my bullshit detector.
PJMcK
(22,025 posts)Makary is making the claim that 182 million Americans have been infected, (28 million X 6.5). That is about half of the U.S. population. No one else has made such a claim. Where is his evidence.
Well, at least he got his name in the media.
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)The CDC and WHO have both said that the actual number of infections is significantly higher than the official number. At one point the WHO estimated the actual number could be as high as 20 times that of the official number. Do you think the official count reflects the actual number of those infected? Because nobody believes that.
While I think hes probably overly optimistic, Ill go with what the dr says until someone here with actual credentials refutes his arguments.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)About the incidence of how many Americans have had it. I would agree that it is probably a multiple of tested cases but whether that multiple is 2x, 3x 6.5x or 10x no one really knows. I think it was super high in the beginning and then tapered off.
The real problem I have with that projection is that he is assuming all of those people have some decent level of immunity. I think it is safe to say that significant cases do give immunity for at least a period of time because reinfections have been fairly low.
However, his data set for making that assumption is based on people who were sick enough to get tested. The other 5.5x people that never got tested were likely a lot less sick or even asymptomatic. It seems presumptuous to assume that mild and asymptomatic cases would deliver the same level of protection.
He makes some other errors which I address in my post #16 below.
Bottom line, I am also optimistic but this guy is about 4-6 weeks ahead of where I put us.
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Than the official numbers. Whether its 180 million or not who knows but its higher than the official tally. That is certain.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...that used machine learning to estimate the actual number of cases, the vast majority of which, in their view, were undiagnosed. Their conclusion was that, at the point they stopped tracking numbers in early October, the real number of infections was around 7.3 times the recorded cases.
Whether this is true or not, who knows? By that standard, approximately 201 million Americans have been infected, or about 61% of the population. Generally, "herd immunity" is considered to be reached around 70-80%. So, theoretically, he may be right...if the assumptions made at that website are correct, and if having previously contracted the virus means you're safe from new variants. Personally, I'm dubious about both counts, but I guess we'll see. If numbers start dropping to near zero in the U.S. by the end of April, I'll be willing to grant his analysis, but I'm not holding my breath until then.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Dr. John Baron?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)covid is basically gone. Oopsie.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,626 posts)doc03
(35,324 posts)forever to even get a shot and I am 72.
doc03
(35,324 posts)forever to even get a shot and I am 72.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)EndlessWire
(6,488 posts)I'm all for optimism. We WILL beat this. But, it's going to take a lot of vaccinations.
We have been hearing of the mutations that are developing. Yes, this is normal. But, those that know are being very grim about these developments. We have to continue the path we set, to get everyone vaccinated and continue to wear our masks, wash our hands, and decrease our contact with each other, until the coast is clear.
Sure makes me wonder why a JH doc would put a specific time table on an end to the pandemic.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)The actual article is in the WSJ at https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731
It got sent to me by a friend who has been downplaying the whole thing for a year so naturally he wants to declare victory and move on.
I happen to agree on the general point that things have improved drastically but this guy is a little overly optimistic for my taste. For one thing, some of his numbers are whack. He claims that the the former FDA Commissioner claims that we will be at 250 vaccination doses by the end of March. Slow down cowboy. What he actually said was this.
Gottlieb said the new administration has "made a lot of progress" with vaccine distribution, delivering as many as 2 million vaccine doses on some days. He predicted by the end of March, there will be 250 million vaccines delivered onto the market if the one-dose coronavirus vaccine from Johnson & Johnson receives an authorization for emergency use by the FDA, with another 100 million vaccines delivered in April.
"If you assume a 60-40 split between first doses and second doses, you assume about 60% of the supply that's coming onto the market is going to first doses. By the end of March, we'll have delivered 150 million vaccines and in April, another 60 million," he said. "We're going to run out of demand. I mean, I think we need to start thinking about the demand side of this equation soon."
So he overstated the vaccine in arms number in that prediction by 100 million. And the lower number seems accurate. We are at about 60 million so far with about 40 days to go until March 31. We have to average more than 2 million a day to get to hit 150 million when we are averaging about 1.7 now. I think we can hit that number but not the 250. We would have to average nearly triple our current output to hit that. Bear in mind that Biden only promised 100 million by the end of April. He later changed that to 150 million. But hitting 150 million at the end of March would still be beating this projection by 30 days. Getting to 250 million in that reduced time frame is not on anybody's radar.
I can't really speak to the natural immunity within people who have already had it. The problem is that nobody can. I suspect that it is greater than expected but not foolproof or predictable. He is making a huge leap by saying those who have had it bad enough to get tested have some level of immunity and extrapolating that to the people that never got tested. I think that could be a flaw in logic since there is no guarantee that those presumably milder cases would garner the same antibody response in the patient.
The bottom line is I think he is right overall but about 4-6 weeks ahead of schedule. I do think we are going to be in really great shape by end of April or middle of May.
Meanwhile, I lost another colleague this week. Early forties with young kids. It is too early to declare victory. We are doing better but that just means that we have improved from atrocious to bad. We need to be patient because letting down our guard too early will just drag it out and make it worse.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,458 posts)luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)I doubt if those of us under 65 will even be able to get a vaccine by then.
edhopper
(33,554 posts)from the beginning.
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roamer65
(36,745 posts)There will be a smaller third wave in October when states try to go back to full in person schooling.
There will still be enough anti-vaxxers for it to spread, espcially the new variants. I think it will be mostly gone by Spring 2022.
DFW
(54,330 posts)2022, maybe?
The way things are going here, we'll be lucky to get vaccinated in this calendar year. We're thinking of visiting the USA for a month just so we have a better chance of getting vaccine. They keep changing the rules, so we don't know if they will still let my wife in or not.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Sorry but this is just not going to happen
I would be willing to bet a large amount of money.
Like my mortgage. Not kidding.
LiberalFighter
(50,836 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,121 posts)Professional demeanor, bedside manner, confidence in technology have created enough misdiagnoses in my life.
moondust
(19,972 posts)Billions of Earthlings w/o access to vaccines to fight multiple developing variants in a globalized world with lots of travel could mean a long-term hellscape.
Kingofalldems
(38,444 posts)Most likely wrong.