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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestions about the riot I don't see anywhere.
1. Was "THE GAS" available to rioters?
2. What ended the riot? What was the ultimate objective? Just to create chaos to delay the vote counting? Or to create chaos that would allow Trump to declare martial law? Or to occupy the Capitol?
3. Are the plotters able to say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED? Or....?
Perhaps that question needs to be asked of different groups.
1. Trump and his capos. (Did they achieve their goals?)
2. The MAGA mass. There for a wild event. (Did they achieve their goals?)
3. The experienced fighters. Oath Keepers/military trained/Proud Boys etc. (Did they achieve their goals?)
marble falls
(57,081 posts)Ohiogal
(31,995 posts)In addition, Im wondering about the Congress critters who personally gave tours to certain groups of people the day before. Who were these members and if their goals were nefarious, they should be expelled from Congress.
magicarpet
(14,149 posts)Get them the hell out.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That was a planned insurrection by a gang of dangerous thugs.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2021, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)
1) The Gas was not available if you are referencing the comment about being in the Tunnel now turn up the gas.
2) An overwhelming police force ended the insurrection. For everyone shitting on the cops, it was the USCP and Metropolitan that saved democracy. Unknown on the objective but I think it was to be in the position to declare martial law. (my opinion based on gut). I dont think the plan was as much to occupy the Capitol as it was to delay the count and declare martial law but the former SecDef letter the previous week, and the later Joint Chiefs declaration made that difficult even with the Brothers Flynn and the President pulling the strings.
3) Joe Biden is the President so the mission was not accomplished.
Second set of questions
1) Again, Joe Biden is the President so they did not achieve their goal.
2) Maga did achieve their goal of wild time, their problem it too wild thus many will go to jail and will pull Federal Time, it will be well deserved for their participation in an Armed Insurrection
3) Oath Keepers et/al partially achieved their goal, they did breach the building, they did delay the vote count, but they did not stop the count, Joe Biden is the President, and many of them will be doing time.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)I wonder at what point the tide turned for the police, because at one point they felt over-run and no backup was available as the insurrectionists rampaged. I guess I need to see a timeline.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)It was a short time after that Metropolitan showed up and it took a bit for close to 800 of their officers to arrive from around the city. Later in the day I saw fairfax, arlington and VA State along with usss, fbi and fps. There were Montgomery county md and md state troopers i was told PG county and atf were there too but did not see them. in the mix too but that was closer to 4/5 pm and then the National Guard. It took a while for the police numbers to arrive UScp and metropolitan to grow to the point that they could push back get everyone out of the building and reestablish a perimeter.