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Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:16 AM

Why are so many Americans so heartless and uncaring?

Where did all that me-first and FU-too-bad if you're poor come from?

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Reply Why are so many Americans so heartless and uncaring? (Original post)
vlyons Feb 2021 OP
DanieRains Feb 2021 #1
Hortensis Feb 2021 #2
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #30
Zoonart Feb 2021 #36
Hortensis Feb 2021 #42
davekriss Feb 2021 #54
Hortensis Feb 2021 #56
cachukis Feb 2021 #47
TexasBushwhacker Feb 2021 #7
Lucinda Feb 2021 #52
betsuni Feb 2021 #69
BeerBarrelPolka Feb 2021 #3
diverdownjt Feb 2021 #40
Hortensis Feb 2021 #4
Skittles Feb 2021 #5
Hortensis Feb 2021 #9
Chicagogrl1 Feb 2021 #27
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llmart Feb 2021 #68
wildman76 Feb 2021 #6
Laffy Kat Feb 2021 #8
Hortensis Feb 2021 #12
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Klaralven Feb 2021 #13
smirkymonkey Feb 2021 #15
Arkansas Granny Feb 2021 #16
chowder66 Feb 2021 #11
OneGrassRoot Feb 2021 #20
llmart Feb 2021 #65
chowder66 Feb 2021 #71
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chowder66 Feb 2021 #67
llmart Feb 2021 #70
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Kaleva Feb 2021 #14
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Hekate Feb 2021 #75
Martin Eden Feb 2021 #18
pwb Feb 2021 #19
danclinger1000 Feb 2021 #21
Stuart G Feb 2021 #22
bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #23
Stuart G Feb 2021 #25
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JT45242 Feb 2021 #24
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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:25 AM

1. The Republican Messaging Machine

Murdoch / Hate Radio

Billionaire cover.....

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:36 AM

2. Suspect the biggest catalyst was just that, libertarian messaging

funded by very wealthy RWers with a goal of moving the entire nation more conservative.

Combined with effects of libertarian/conservative politics becoming dominant with "get off the backs of business" deregulation, falling incomes, etc, leading to anxiety and resentment.

Then morphed into a strong urge to nationalism and fascism among some conservatives.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:05 AM

30. libertarians like Koch ...

Meet the Hidden Architect Behind America's Racist Economics

[ ... ]
MacLean describes how the economist developed a grand project to train operatives to staff institutions funded by like-minded tycoons, most significantly Charles Koch, who became interested in his work in the ‘70s and sought the economist’s input in promoting “Austrian economics” in the U.S. and in advising the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank.

Koch, whose mission was to save capitalists like himself from democracy, found the ultimate theoretical tool in the work of the southern economist. The historian writes that Koch preferred Buchanan to Milton Friedman and his “Chicago boys” because, she says, quoting a libertarian insider, they wanted “to make government work more efficiently when the true libertarian should be tearing it out at the root.”

With Koch’s money and enthusiasm, Buchanan’s academic school evolved into something much bigger. By the 1990s, Koch realized that Buchanan’s ideas — transmitted through stealth and deliberate deception, as MacLean amply documents — could help take government down through incremental assaults that the media would hardly notice. The tycoon knew that the project was extremely radical, even a “revolution” in governance, but he talked like a conservative to make his plans sound more palatable.

MacLean details how partnered with Koch, Buchanan’s outpost at George Mason University was able to connect libertarian economists with right-wing political actors and supporters of corporations like Shell Oil, Exxon, Ford, IBM, Chase Manhattan Bank, and General Motors. Together they could push economic ideas to the public through media, promote new curricula for economics education, and court politicians in nearby Washington, D.C.

[ ... ]

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:15 AM

36. Racism+the legend of rugged individualism+hate radio+the prosperity gospel.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:57 AM

42. VERY interesting. Thanks, Hermit. Reminds me of Koch saying,

in private -- one of the few Koch quotes on this that got "out" -- that the only valid role for government is protection of person and property, and perhaps from fraud. Not schools, not...anything but basic policing and military.

Most genuine libertarians, like socialists, tend to be romantics who imagine their idealized systems will improve human nature by forcing much better behavior (by extremely different means).

But definitely not this economist, Buchanan, at a third point of extremism with his overwhelmingly negative view of human nature.

Buchanan, in contrast, insisted that people were primarily driven by venal self-interest. Crediting people with altruism or a desire to serve others was “romantic” fantasy: politicians and government workers were out for themselves, and so, for that matter, were teachers, doctors, and civil rights activists. They wanted to control others and wrest away their resources: “Each person seeks mastery over a world of slaves,” he wrote... Does that sound like your kindergarten teacher? It did to Buchanan.

The people who needed protection were property owners, and their rights could only be secured though constitutional limits to prevent the majority of voters from encroaching on them, ... Buchanan wanted a private governing elite of corporate power that was wholly released from public accountability.

Suppressing voting, changing legislative processes so that a normal majority could no longer prevail, sowing public distrust of government institutions— all these were tactics toward the goal. But the Holy Grail was the Constitution: alter it and you could increase and secure the power of the wealthy in a way that no politician could ever challenge. ...

Buchanan and his associate Henry Manne, a founding theorist of libertarian economic approaches to law, focused on such affronts to capitalists as environmentalism and public health and welfare, expressing eagerness to dismantle Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare as well as kill public education because it tended to foster community values. Feminism had to go, too: the scholars considered it a socialist project.

Real pieces of work. Koch's favorite economist was an off-the-cliff conservative with a lucrative onlay of select libertarian justifications. Remembering also that the mean authoritarian father Koch himself rebelled against was so far right he admired the Third Reich's economics.

And these ideas took over the Republican Party.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:15 PM

54. From a DA Levy poem

Really
the police try to protect
the banks - and everything else
is secondary

(from a long poem he wrote in the late sixties.)

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Response to davekriss (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:20 PM

56. Far from the whole truth, but too often too true nevertheless.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:53 AM

47. "Evil Geniuses," expands on this story.

Kurt Andersen explains how the nostalgia for the good old days after the challenges to the establishment in the '60's were too much for most Americans. Buchanan's ideas and the newly created Think Tanks have been hard at work.

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:52 AM

7. RUSH LIMBAUGH! n/t

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 11:16 AM

52. Yep. 30+ years of it since The Fairness Doctrine was axed.

❤️ ~✿~❧~🌿~❧~✿~ ❤️

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:25 PM

69. Yes, saw it happen to relatives.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:38 AM

3. I see it

I see it across the board. It's not limited to one specific group. There's good and bad regardless.

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Response to BeerBarrelPolka (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:24 AM

40. I hate republicans....

Not because I disagree with everything they stand for...but I do
Not because they won't leave people alone...they won't.
Not because we can't seem to get thru to them on anything...but you can't.

I hate them because they think they are the only true Americans.
I hate them because they stole my free thinking patriotic military family from me.

And I HATE them because they want me and my kind DEAD!!!!

I DIDN'T USED TO BE LIKE THIS. So when you say there's good and bad....don't forget
why I'm bad now.................


this me now....

This was me before............

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:46 AM

4. Meanness is catching, and it's hardly just Americans. Authoritarianism

is on the rise in many nations. A leading expert in the fall of nations to authoritarian states said the big warning sign that those concerned it could happen where they are should watch for is mean people.

Economic insecurity has been rising for decades, and it makes people more fearful, angry, and less generous. Those already mean are emboldened. Outright meanness results, is on the rise, has been spreading.

But people holding to better standards are still the majority.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:47 AM

5. Reagan made greed and stupidity fashionable

America has never truly recovered from that.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 07:00 AM

9. Conservative leaders KNOW that fear makes people more conservative.

Very old news. When Obama was elected, as part of their determination to keep him from being reelected, Republicans in congress did what they could to retard the recovery for the lower-income half of our nation.

Of course, they believed lowered incomes and accelerated loss of jobs to automation also served other goals.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:03 AM

27. Absolutely agree

1,000,000%. He was the start of the downfall.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:06 AM

31. And very popular

I was all but dumbstruck myself as I watched the nation turn into a divided land of money and shit. Of course, the money was only in the hands of a few, while the shit covered most of the population. Once that ride started, it has yet to even lose steam. It is past time to stop worshiping that green piece of paper. I know this plea is going to fall on ears that do not want to hear it, so I am not going to hold my breath.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:22 PM

68. +1000

Those of us that have lived long enough can trace this all back to the Reagan years. That's when the emphasis on materialism and greed began in my lifetime. I knew then that no good would come from it.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:51 AM

6. That's the ME generation

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 06:52 AM

8. Capitalism. nt

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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 07:24 AM

12. Why did meanness take over and destroy almost all socialist states?

If it's capitalism?

Maybe take another little gander at Venezuela. In cities, people without jobs requiring them to leave their homes tend to stay inside all day for safety. The streets, prowled among others by socialist gangs supporting Maduro, are very dangerous.

Btw, now that niceness has returned to our own capitalist federal government, we'll be rejoining other many other capitalist nations trying to help the people of Venezuela.

Volunteer paramedics patrol streets of Venezuela’s capital

Venezuela’s deepening crisis has gutted emergency ambulance services, so a group of volunteer paramedics has stepped into the void to offer life-saving help on the tough streets of Caracas.

Calling themselves Angels of the Road, the volunteer corps relies on donated medical supplies and funding from international organizations. Despite receiving no paychecks, its roughly 40 paramedics are ready at a moment’s notice to jump onto motorcycles and fire up their single ambulance and race into the streets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 07:05 AM

10. How can people be so heartless? How can people be so cruel

How can people be so heartless? How can people be so cruel? Easy to be hard...

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Response to raccoon (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 07:33 AM

13. .

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Response to raccoon (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 07:44 AM

15. Nobody sings it like the incomparable Cheryl Barnes...

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Response to raccoon (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:03 AM

16. I always loved this version.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 07:11 AM

11. Weird. I've been kept awake thinking about hierarchy, patriarchy, a new form of governing,

the animal kingdom, religion and if we really deserve to call ourselves civilized.

This all came bubbling up because of the following movies and an episode of a show I watched;

20 Million Miles to Earth - the monster only gets aggressive if it's shown aggression so everyone is basically provoking the monster until they drive it to the point where it becomes destructive and they have to kill it. (I've seen this time and time again as everyone has I'm sure).
The Dig - I can't give this one away but I was pissed...but I'll say this, some people just suck. Great movie though.
The Miniaturist - A preacher delivering a sermon on how bad Amesterdam's people are for their sinfulness. It's a scene that appears in numerous movies, just a different town or country or village. Same asshole preaching the same "you're sinful and your town is Babylon" but behind the scenes the religous are the hypocrites, the defilers, the sinners, the greedy, etc. (I don't know if that will play out because I stopped the show to go to bed but we all know it's SOP).

I've thought about these things in fits and starts a lot through life but they all came flooding in like never before and I think it's because I'm so sick of the fact
that I will never see peace in my lifetime and I suspect no one ever will. It will never be attainable based on how we conduct ourselves and how we govern.

It's something I've never really admitted to myself.... that it's impossible but that frustrates me because of the way things have been especially these last 4+ years. It's worse and I don't know how we come back from it.

The only thing I can think of to find a little "peace" again (ignorance is bliss!) is to completely quit logging onto my computer with the exception of work. Watch my local news and nightly news. Read the paper and forget the rest. I operated just fine before the internet and while I find some things worthwhile
I'm not sure it's worth experiencing never-ending vitriol and hypocrisy while trying to watch a cute animal video. There's always someone who wants to pop in and make a quippy comment or be the class clown. I'm guilty of this too and I'm not proud of that.

I want to engage with my friends and family more without referencing the internet. I don't know what tomorrow will bring and I don't know if I can quit cold turkey, probably not but I think it's time to start powering down.

Finally, I hope my Aleve PM kicks in soon.



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Response to chowder66 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:12 AM

20. I hope you were able to sleep peacefully...

I resonate with much of what you said here.

I'm torn between wanting to keep fighting for a better world for the sake of my toddler grandson, versus just wanting to shut out the cruel world and focus solely on him and keep the meanness at bay, even from my own mind. I've never been a detached, apathetic, uninformed person, but I do now envy those who are even though I also feel they're responsible for where we are.

Take good care.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:15 PM

65. This is the conundrum I fight with all the time.

I have a little granddaughter and want desperately for her world to be so much more peaceful and progressive, but I would also like to experience that at some point in my remaining years. So I vacillate between cutting myself off from most of what's considered "news" these days including DU and living out the rest of my years gardening, listening to music, reading and watching my granddaughter grow. I've pretty much whittled down the people I allow into my life, so that's not a problem. Fortunately, I'm a bit of a loner.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:30 PM

71. Finally got to sleep around 4:30 am. Could use a few more hours

but it is such a beautiful day here in Los Angeles that I decided to get up. Have a cup of coffee, do a quick pass at DU before I get my day started.

I feel I can still fight for a better world without the internet by just going back to the newspaper, watching my local and national news and talking with friends and family. That's how I used to do it and still do to some extent but I've found myself online more than I care to admit. Some of it is fine but at other times I just feel like a tabloid reader in between getting actual news. Plus I look for updates like a fiend at times. It's gotten very annoying.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:20 PM

66. Is that the "Miniaturist" on PBS?

I've had that marked to watch. Did you know that it's based on a book? I've read it and it's very interesting.

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Response to llmart (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:22 PM

67. It is. I wasn't aware it was a book though.

I'm enjoying it well enough.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:25 PM

70. It was on the NY Times bestseller list.

I haven't seen the series yet, but I have a feeling that reading the book first will help to understand the show.

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Response to llmart (Reply #70)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:30 PM

72. I might just have to do the reverse! : )

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 07:43 AM

14. Native Americans, blacks and others have been asking that for a few hundred years now.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 11:56 AM

53. This

America has never been a nice place if you weren’t a cismale, straight, white, Protestant of Northern European descent.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:03 AM

17. Prosperity religion

Proverbs 19:4

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Response to phandancer917 (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2021, 03:05 AM

75. That certainly plays a part

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:11 AM

18. It originated somewhere East of Eden

Far back in the mists of time.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:12 AM

19. Putin.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:38 AM

21. When Regan legitimized greed for the sake of greed and invited the religious right...

and assorted racists into his administration as advisor.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:46 AM

22. Yes, BUT..BUT.....Please look at this post...Social Security, Welfare, Charities of all kinds...

Public Education ...K through 12...Some places..(some, I said some, very.. inexpensive colleges...
In public education...free lunches...

very very inexpensive pure water in most cities & places just by turning on faucet, in the not too distant
past, only the rich and super rich had pure water in their homes...yes, that is hard to believe..!!!


scholarships of all kinds,....where I live...PUBLIC FOOD PANTRIES FOR FREE FOOD, YES...FREE FOOD. . ..one is a third of a mile from me...No questions asked..

Free tutoring for people who need it. etc, etc. etc.

and.............MORE, yes, LOTs MORE.....

.LOOK AT THE GOOD, NOT THE EVIL....have you forgotten?

Sure some are VERY evil & selfish..., and sure many of us are VERY good too.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:48 AM

23. Charles Darwin and William Graham Sumner

Sumner was the original anti-socialist. He taught at Yale and was a major proponent of laissez-faire economics. It was basically the justification for robber barons, cutthroat capitalism. Sumner wrote What Social Classes Owe to Each Other. Sumner was against natural rights.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:52 AM

25. Don't forget ...Bill Gates and Warren Buffet ....have given away ...billions of dollars...

Rockefeller was awful too, eventually much of his fortune was given away too

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:14 AM

35. That's not the roots of greed, those are unexpected outcomes.

And doesn't justify the theft in the first place.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:17 AM

37. Greed is indeed Greed...but about KINDNESS....

Yes, Greed is Greed...Kindness is NOT the outcome of Greed

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:51 AM

24. Disenchanted hippies as a start i.e. boomers

As a member of the ME generation, born in the early seventies. It predates us.

For all their faults, the generation prior to the boomers tried to look at things from a more group perspective. The war bonds, meatless monday, etc. were all part of fighting for the common good. The GI bill is a good example. I know that my grad father in law used that to help buy a house. He even talked about how some of the black guys he served with used it to buy houses as well. He, like most, didn't know that redlining was actually make the black soldiers perpetually poorer through the GI bill. After the war, Eisenhower thought that building the interstate system and other infrastructure would help all folks. And real wages did increase and wealth balanced post WW2.

Then came the hippies after the vietnam war. Today's boomers who didn't have a cause anymore. Instead of continuing to fight against the corporate war machine, they embraced it.

"Greed is good." Became a mantra when the me generation wasn't even in the workforce. But boomers were. Especially the ones who went to college and avoided fighting in the vietnam war. They were managers in businesses who realized that given profit sharing, bonuses, and stock options it was in their personal best interest to help bust unions, decrease worker pay. Companies spent millions upon millions of dollars to wage a war against corporate taxes. Which of course, weakened school and infrastructure as money was not available for these aspects of the common good. But the boomers in management got a 401k while stripping real pensions from the workers. The ironic part is if course the middle managers who directly inflicted the greedy policies on the workers never got as much as the C-suite folks and the disparity between upper management and everyone else grew exponentially. They thought that making the worker bees get less would make them super rich, but it only really benefited the handful of folks at the top and the owners

The boomers then deified reaganomics. That is when hate radio, limbaugh and his ilk, popped up. It was also when the prosperity gospel really took off. Prior to that most mainline religions were still adamant ..."the love of money is the root of all types of evil" (many translation miss the types part if the verse) and "where your treasure is, so is your heart". Look at the stuff Billy Graham senior and Chuck Swindall preached about the love and use of money in the seventies and eighties. It doesn't look or sound like megachurch preachers of today like that clown in houston or Billy Graham junior. But why did people look to these frauds preaching the heresy of the prosperity gospel?

The traditional mainline religions were driving people away. Catholics were left to either live a lie and use birth control or leave the church. Many protestant denominations lost women in droves over treating them as second class citizens. People with gay relatives, had to choose between a religion who hated the people that they loved, and the people that they loved. So, what do people do if their old church told them things they didn't want to hear? Go somewhere that says what I want to hear. Instead of saying"greed is good" ...they say "wealth is proof that god is happy with you." See the twist, the perversion of the gospel, the ignorance of Isaiah 58 and the condemnation of the rich mistreating the poor, leaving the Hebrew books of wisdom, proverbs and ecclesiastes that condemn seeking and misusing wealth to hurt others as far away from teaching and preaching.
My brother once said Jesus never preached on social justice. Apparently, he missed the part of the story where the first time Jesus reads and preaches from Isaiah about social justice. They don't even know their own religion -- that boils down to love God and love your neighbor. Instead they got love yourself and live wealth which is the antithesis of all Judeo-christian religion. In many ways it has been like watching The Screwtape letters and Screwtape proposes a toast by CS Lewis on a grand scale.
Those of us who are middle aged mostly embrace the greed if the ex-hippie boomers. GenX, the me generation, whatever you want to call us, we certainly haven't fought the system.
Maybe, the new generation will do better. It appeared that there was a critical mass of young folks involved in BLM protests, angry at climate change, and they certainly voted for Biden in large numbers. Hopefully, people will see the prosperity gospel preachers as the charlatans and heretics that they are.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 11:00 AM

49. As a boomer/hippie

I have to say this is bullshit.

We hippies were right about everything. We fought for rights and the environment and against the war. But just as many in our generation supported the war and loved Nixon. They were full into the white, middle class American dream.

Those are the ones who became Reagan Republicans.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:25 PM

59. If you were born in the 70s then you are Generation X.

The "Me" generation is just another, derogatory, term for the Boomers.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 08:55 AM

26. I think it's the result of

rugged individualism mindset and philosophy. Pop culture/reality tv celebrates this.

Collective good is tainted as socialism and communism. Even Christianity (which in general espouses a communal church where we all share in the body of Christ) has morphed into a rugged nationalistic individual/personal relationship with God/Jesus in America.

It's warped philosophy and theology that is going to continue hurting society far down the road.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:04 AM

28. How many...is ......................' SO MANY?"..from ORIGINAL POST..

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:04 AM

29. Republican/Nazis represent the worst of humanity. It's a reason this country dies.

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Response to johnthewoodworker (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:07 AM

32. The U.S.A. DIES?..... ..This new guy who is President..cares about people. Haven't you noticed?

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:08 AM

33. Because the Christianity they are taught on Sunday and in the home

is not the Christianity in the textbook.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:09 AM

34. It began in the Reagan years.

And increased until nearly half the voting population re-elected a sociopath whose only concern was for himself.

It was as if during an airline flight, when, given a choice between chicken or a plate of steaming hot shit, nearly fifty per cent asked the flight attendant, "How is the chicken cooked?"

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:36 AM

41. It did NOT begin in the Reagan Years..The RICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RICH...

...HEARST ESTATE IN CALIFORNIA...for instance...He was super rich in the 1940s.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:03 AM

44. They paid taxes.

After Reagan, taxes were only for the little people.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:20 AM

38. White supremacy plus capitalism. It's been with us since the beginning.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:59 AM

43. If you are mean and hateful, you often get what you want.

I noticed something interesting about one of the last batches of Capitol terrorist that the FBI announced. All of them were between the age of 50 and 65 with the average probably around 55. Is it significant? I don't know. Maybe by the age of 50, you finally come to the conclusion that you are never going to amount to anything, so you are willing to join violent cults to punish other people for your failings. It is the progressive's fault, it is the Black's fault, it is the Hispanic's fault, it is the government's fault.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:27 AM

45. Raygun was the King of this.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 AM

46. Racism and selfishness are cornerstones of the repug party. nt

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:56 AM

48. It's the pandemic.

Seniors hate teachers for trying to cut to the front of the line. Teachers hate seniors for wanting to go first. Everyone hates the young vultures who hang around vaccination sites hoping for the odd dose at the end of the day.

I just want to go to a crowded restaurant/bar and have a nice meal out with friends. Maybe in August, when most of us have had our shots.

Actually, I doubt your idea of "heartless and uncaring". There are still plenty of people doing volunteer work (meals on wheels, etc), donating to charities, giving blood, helping neighbors. I see "heartless and uncaring" on the news, but not much in real life.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 11:01 AM

50. How the Irish Became White



The Irish, who, at home, readily sympathize with the oppressed everywhere, are instantly taught when they step upon our soil to hate and despise the Negro....Sir, the Irish-American will one day find out his mistake. - Frederick Douglass, May 10, 1853


https://thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Noel-Ignatiev-How-the-Irish-Became-White-1995.pdf

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 AM

51. By keeping the majority of working people

in debt with just enough income to stay above water, the corporate PTB and their GOP lackeys can keep them on edge and afraid that if they help others, they will lose.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:15 PM

55. They were raised that way.

For instance, “The only good Indian is a dead Indian” was a popular phrase not so long ago.

From individuals and families to nations and the planet, it takes education to change minds.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:21 PM

57. A ME Rica.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:22 PM

58. Rush Fucking Limbaugh.

Read The Rude Pundit's 2/19/2012 column for an excellent, foul-mouthed rundown of just why Limbaugh is roasting in hell, right now.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:30 PM

60. It's been that way for a very long time.

Pretty much since the very beginning. Blaming Boomers or Reagan is flat-out wrong.

Think about how companies were willing to murder workers rather than grant any kind of decent wage or working ours. That was in the 19th century.

It's just that in recent years it's become more acceptable to openly be heartless and uncaring.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:30 PM

61. Ronald Reagan and "rugged individualism"

He beat up on/invaded some tiny island and postured in front of a wall in Berlin.

That asshole Newt Gingrich has a lot to do with it also.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:49 PM

62. November, 1980.

Raygun.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 12:49 PM

63. It's nuanced, but I think a major factor is that it is so easy to lose everything and ...

fall into poverty and ruin in our harshly capitalistic society.

Living under constant fear and a sense of dread is hard for most people. We are constantly exposed to our brothers and sisters who are suffering in ways that should be unimaginable in a country as rich as ours. Some people manage their fears by imagining that all those who fall through the cracks somehow deserve it. That way, they can feel safe, because they work hard and know that they don't "deserve" that fate, so it can't happen to them. (Delusional, right?)

And, of course, if people deserve their fate, you really can't have too much sypathy for them. They "chose" to be that way, after all. In fact, helping them just drags the rest of "us" down. Or so the thought process goes.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:06 PM

64. Selfishness is built in to human nature.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:44 PM

73. Ask the slave owners.

Self-serving, predatory capitalism has been around for a long, long time.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 02:45 PM

74. On the other hand, Americans can be extraordinarily generous and quick to volunteer

their time and money to help others, to adopt children.

I think Americans are raised to be so competitive that you kind of have to be selfish. As Henry Miller put it, as children they shove firecrackers up our butts and tell us we can be president. You have unreasonably high expectations, whereas in Europe everybody's fine staying in their home village doing what their ancestors did.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2021, 03:08 AM

76. Why are so many Americans opening their wallets for Texas? AOC set up an Act Blue account....

....and money has just poured in, some $4 million so far to be divided among several relief agencies.

We are not all one thing — ever.



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