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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDealing with the VA the other day.
My father, who was a WWII B-17 pilot, died on January 3. Among his papers, I found an ancient military life insurance policy that dated back to 1944. It was a 20-pay-life insurance policy. What that meant is that you paid a premium once a year for 20 years and then the policy was paid off. My father had notations with his policy that showed that he had paid those $126 annual premiums like clockwork, every year for 20 years. The policy value was stated as $5000 on the policy itself.
So, I looked up VA life insurance on Google and found a number to call. I called. A very nice woman was the random representative I talked to. I told her about my father's death and that I had found that policy. "What is the policy number, please?" I told her, and heard her tapping on a keyboard. "Oh, here it is. Yes, it was fully paid up years ago."
I had given my name at the beginning of the call. "Yes, I see your name here as a beneficiary." She asked about the other beneficiaries named on the policy. My mother, who has also died. Myself, my younger sister, and my younger brother, who died in 2017. "So it's just the two beneficiaries left?" I told her yes.
So she got my address and asked if I had death certificates for my parents and my brother. I said that I did. She asked for my sister's address as well, and said she'd send out claim packets for both of us. I thanked her and said I'd fill things out and return them.
"Are you curious about the amount of the benefits?" I said, "Well the policy was for $5000." She said, "Well, that's not really how it works. I see here that the total amount to be divided between the two beneficiaries will be about $68,000. The value has increased over time, due to how those those policies were set up. It has been over 75 year since the policy was issued."
The entire conversation was very pleasant, and the woman offered her condolences about my father, my mother, and my brother. It was very unlike most of the conversations I've been having with people as I deal with necessary communications about the death of my parents. I remember thinking, "This is how it should always be. Bureaucracies should not treat those who contact them as necessary evils" The VA did not do that. The random person who I talked to there actually gave a damn.
3Hotdogs
(12,375 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)the premiums, though. I know that I didn't after signing up for a policy like that when I enlisted in the USAF. So, the policy lapsed after my enlistment was over. However, if you have your father's service ID number, the VA would be able to tell you if a policy existed and was still in force, I think. I saw my father's service number on the policy documents, so their database should be able to fish out a policy with just that, I'd guess.
3Hotdogs
(12,375 posts)You mean, the DD #
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)My father was an officer in WWII, so he had a different form than that.
3Hotdogs
(12,375 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,375 posts)You mean, the DD #
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thats remarkable.
-Laelth
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and everything was correct. Impressed as hell. As you say, the way it should always be.
Not overly impressed with $68K after 75 years of exponential increases in investment wealth -- but it's a government-secured guaranteed payout and lot better than a punch in the nose. And the checks or whatever will no doubt arrive promptly.
Here's to our VA. I'm sure your parents would be very pleased.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)As you say, though, it's remarkable that the data was immediately available to a customer service rep. I suppose my father had added beneficiaries as his children arrived. He had never mentioned that policy, though. However, he stored it safely.
After my parents died, my BiL sent me 100 lbs. of paperwork from their home. I've been going through it, one piece at a time. I have both parents' original birth certificates and extensive other documents. They kept everything in a filing cabinet. Amazing to go through.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)My husband has done our paperwork for the past (omg!) 20 years, took it over when he retired and I kept working. I set him up with a whole new desk and computer system, mail sorting center, labeled files, etc, all to no good. He's allergic to organization, but I refused to sweat it then and refuse to think about it now. My MIL, who didn't leave a single thing undone or tarnished paper clip undiscarded will be spinning, but I only hope it will be our children's problem. Cost of inheriting.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I sad, "Sounds good, Dad..."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is well trained. Got it from some ancestor we've never met. We're amused and touched at signs that she believes we need her to start helping us out, but since she's three states away we're not alarmed.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)by their teens. If it sounded like my Dad was really organized, he wasn't. That filing cabinet was just a place to stuff things away, just in case. No order at all. I literally had to go through it all, piece by piece. I finally got it organized enough to identify what was maybe important and what probably wasn't.
I don't mind, though. He was my Dad, after all.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)EndlessWire
(6,526 posts)my father was 6 ft. 4 in. with hazel-colored eyes like mine. His military record says he was 6 ft. 5 in. with grey eyes. That's a totally different person...
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)leftieNanner
(15,084 posts)My Dad had one of those policies. He was a WWII vet, but the amount of the insurance payout was only the $5,000.
Glad you and your sister will get a little windfall.
That is, indeed, the way government agencies should operate.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)Yes, a well-functioning Federal workforce is a good thing.
In contrast, recently I needed to contact a private contractor re an aspect of my private health insurance that interacts with Medicare (NOT the scam "Medicare" Advantage). The company required me to sign a waiver allowing them to sell my information. The employee was pleasant but was obviously just a cog in a profit-making machine. The process was onerous. Privatization is NOT a good thing.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)to spare it might be nice to let her supervisor know what you just told us.
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)and does a great job.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I have had mixed dealings...first dealing they completely missed a condition that added 50 percent to my military disability...but second dealing they corrected the mistake and I got the full percentage I'm fairly due, and they gave me a retroactive payment. So all's well that ends well. And so far, Tricare Prime seems decently solid for every day concerns and certainly very very inexpensive. Dental and vision not covered though.
marie999
(3,334 posts)It is free and covers everything.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)It's for retired veterans but it isn't quite free.
marie999
(3,334 posts)If so you could probably get vision and dental. If you can have both, the only requirement to keep it is seeing your primary care doctor once a year.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)it's basically for veterans who were medically honorably discharged but have such a lower annual income that they don't make something like 35K a year or so. Not sure the exact number, somewhere around that mark.
I retired as an O5 so I make almost twice that just in retirement, not including disability pay. And even a senior NCO is probably going to make more than that in retirement pay.
Maybe E7 and below who retire at 20 would probably qualify, but that's a pretty small number of people. The rest would be people who were medically discharged but didn't necessarily retire. Or lower ranking people who were medically retired like a junior NCO or junior enlisted.
Everyone else is going to make too much money.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)about $34,000?
Seriously, I am so glad that went well for you after the pain of losing family members.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)My aunt had one of those private insurance policies where the "insurance man" would go house to house and collect the payments on them. It was only a relatively small amount, probably less than $1,000 but the "older generation" (younger than I am now) often called it burial insurance. Anyway, she was single and didn't want anyone put out if she passed away and my dad was the beneficiary. None of us remembered anything about the policy. The insurance company contacted my older sister who still lived in the same town to "clear up" some of these old policies. The reality of it was that as my father had already been deceased, that left us 6 of his "kids" as beneficiaries of my aunt's policy. By the time it was divided up, it wasn't a huge amount, but a nice way to remember my aunt as it was totally unexpected.
The point of this is that this was one of the older policies that they don't write this way any longer, because they do keep accruing benefits until it's cashed in, hence the very real desire on the part of the insurance company to pay off as many of these types of policies that they can find the beneficiaries for.
This was about 30 years ago that this policy was cashed in. I can't help wonder ho much that very small policy would be worth today. Policies today are written and with so many caveats, you know the chief beneficiary of most policies is now is the insurance company.
marie999
(3,334 posts)Since we are both disabled we don't pay the premiums.
Wounded Bear
(58,649 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,648 posts)My wife had a diagnosis that made it obvious she would never be able to work again. The woman dealing with her disability claim to start SS benefits at age 60 was very considerate and helpful. She spent over an hour making everything was in place and back dated the effective date. Then after my wife passed, I went back to see if there was anything I needed to do. They informed me of a $255 death benefit. They also checked our two accounts and noticed that her benefit was larger than mine and switched me over to her amount. I didnt know about that provision in the program.