Tiffany's bar exam.

[kskiska]

Just found this dated October.

Tiffany Trump did not take the bar exam earlier this month and has put her legal career on hold until her father, President Donald Trump, figures out where he is working next year. Sources tell OK! that Tiffany had the option of taking the bar exam earlier this month in Washington, D.C., or New York, but decided to instead hit the road and start traveling the country in support of her father's bid for reelection.

(snip)

The 27-year-old daughter of Donald and his second wife Marla Maples managed to outshine her older siblings when she graduated from law school last May, making her the most accomplished member of the family. Tiffany received her Juris Doctor from Georgetown, the school that both Eric and Ivanka attended for at least some of their undergraduate work.

https://okmagazine.com/exclusives/tiffany-trump-bar-exam-georgetown-law-school/

[dawg day]

1. That sad little sack...

So she's going to take the exam a year after finishing school. Good luck with that. How much information has already dissipated?

And she's doing this for a father who probably has already forgotten her existence.

[apnu]

2. She should have taken the test, and joined some law firm and started building her career.

Her dad barely acknowledges she's there, his fortune is mostly smoke and mirrors. What is there is going to be spent on legal defense and offenses. He'll blow most of it before he dies.

She'd be better off being her own woman. She seems to have her mom's smarts. She's better than Eric-the-paste-eater. Or Donnie III: "daddy won't you love me" Trump

[Ms. Toad]

16. See post 13.

COVID severely disrupted the bar exam this year. She would not have been able to take it in NY, and taking it in DC would have been a stretch.

[gldstwmn]

31. Mommy has taught her

otherwise by example.

[Solomon]

3. She'll take bar courses and be able to prepare for the exam. Everyone does whether right out of law

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school or later.

[TheBlackAdder]

63. The way she hits the pubs, that's more the type of bar exam she'd ace.

[Chemisse]

4. One sentence in that article shows why she should not have wasted her time on her father.

Regarding her graduation from law school:

"It also seemed that her siblings and father had forgotten about her big day, as they did not congratulate Tiffany on social media until days later."

[Hekate]

26. Ouch

From the time I saw those first photos in 2016, I said she looked “as welcome as the bastard at a family picnic.” That’s a very old-fashioned out-of-date saying, but Jesus, the body language in the group photos said it loud and clear. The original 3 spawn by Ivana are the only “real” heirs, and they know it.

[dawg day]

32. I wonder if any of them even attended her graduation

Oh, well. There's still her wedding. Maybe a couple of them will attend that.

[dhol82]

52. She's marrying a bazillionaire. They will be there.

The grift is always front and center.

[sfstaxprep]

17. She's A Hard Core Right Winger Like Her Parents

She's engaged to someone from a prominent repub family.

She'll probably get someone to fix it so she passes the exam. Can't have a Drumpf shown to be a legit failure at Anything.

[Ms. Toad]

21. If her targeted states were NY and DC,

she likely didn't have a choice (see post 13).

If she registered in time, she'll be taking it Tuesday and Wednesday.

(Generally your advice is good, but a ton of people were shut out from the oportunity to take the "July" bar exam; NY was the first to block any examinee who did not graduate from a NY law school. DC was also early on the bandwagon, but I'm pretty sure they opened some rolling registration periods for a few "outsiders."

[Sgent]

36. Law school mostly

doesn't prepare you for the bar exam, barbri does. I know many career attorney's that have had to resit for the bar exam after moving. Its not fun, but all have managed it after taking barbri (or studying the books) and a month or so of study.

[bullwinkle428]

5. She'd better pass it somewhere SOON - she may be the last one on earth willing and able

to represent Velveeta Voldemort on a pro bono basis, if and when he runs out of money.

[Ms. Toad]

15. Her next chance is Tuesday/Wednesday -

Assuming she registered sometime around November to sit for an exam.

After that, she has to wait for the end of July.

[MyOwnPeace]

6. She needs career counselling.....

Maybe she can go with the "family" and get a group rate....

[Midnight Writer]

7. Isn't she dating Matt Gaetz?

[tblue37]

8. No. He just got engaged to another woman.

[Midnight Writer]

10. I doubt that would be a problem for Matt.

[SunSeeker]

11. Does Nester know? nt

[Maraya1969]

22. I really thought he was gay. And I can't imagine him getting any woman to marry

him but I also just thought of Goebbels, I mean what's his name.

[tblue37]

25. Steve Miller.

[Maraya1969]

27. Oh yea, I wonder what rock he has slithered under now?

[tblue37]

28. He was just on FOX squawking about immigration.

https://www.rawstory.com/stephen-miller-trump-fox-news/

Former White House adviser Stephen Miller on Sunday accused Democrats of "madness" over a push to enact comprehensive immigration reform.

Miller made the remarks on Fox News after network host Maria Bartiromo announced that a "new border crisis is afoot" due to a reform bill that has been introduced by Democrats.

For his part, Miller argued that granting citizenship to immigrants would "erase the essence" of the United States.

Snip

[dawg day]

33. He's got an uncle who wrote about reminding him that asylum was something Jews believe in.

"Erase the essence of the country" does sound like something that would be said to be used AGAINST religious and ethnic minorities by, well, Goebbels maybe.

[tblue37]

37. This.

[BradAllison]

50. LOL

She looks thrilled.

[sop]

19. Tiffany's engaged to Michael Boulos, heir to his father's multi-billion dollar business.

Marla didn't bring up her only daughter to work in some law firm, doing her father's dirty work.

[FakeNoose]

34. If she's smart she'll take her husband's name

... when she gets married. Maybe even move to Nigeria where he's originally from.

[FM123]

9. She should have just gone ahead and taken it....

A lil advice, Tiff - your father will never put you or your needs first, don't make him your priority while he makes you just another option.

[Ms. Toad]

14. See post 13. n/t

[kskiska]

12. Now that she's engaged to a billionaire Lebanese guy

who works out of Nigeria, she might not have to work.

[Skittles]

30. LOL

when has she EVER worked

[Ms. Toad]

13. She would not have had the option to take it in New York

They closed their exam doors to anyone who was not a first-time examinee, and to anyone who did not graduate from a New York law school. (I had several students shut out who were either second time examinees - OR - who graduated from a school outside of New York)

Washington D.C. was a bit easier to get into - they had some rolling openings for out-of-state examinees, if I recall correctly. But quite a few people didn't take the "July" bar exam (which was extended as late as October in some jurisdictions due to COVID) because of either jurisdiction rules (limiting access) or uncertainty about the ability to port their score to other jurisdictions. (Close to 40 states accept Uniform Bar Exam scores, so you can take the bar exam once and be licensed in each of the states. Perhaps 20% of my students chose to wait because of the uncertainty of score acceptance, or the challenge of being the guinea pigs for the first ever online bar exam.

No one (even someone with the last name Trump) should be criticized for wating until February to take the bar exam.

[FM123]

20. Thanks!

Yes, there are rules about these things.
I don't remember all the details (it's been a few years) but my son took the bar down here in his home state of FL but had (extra? different? idk) things he had to study for because he went to law school in a different state (NC).

[Ms. Toad]

42. He would have had to learn Florida-specific law

(Likely including things not offered by his law school).

Florida is still doing its own thing. They share multiple choice questions on 7 main areas of law with the rest of the country (except for Louisiana), but they have their own (atrocious) essays and multiple choice questions on state subjects (with very few sample questions available).

Not that I've ever worked with anyone getting ready to take the FL bar exam . . .

Even if he had gone to law school in Florida, very few law schools teach state-specific law. So I get to be an expert in state-specific law. Thank goodness only a few states now test state-specific law - unfortunately, we send examinees pretty reglarly to three of them.

[csziggy]

47. A friend of mine took the Florida Bar exam and passed the first time

Of course, she did work her way through law school by working at Municipal Code, a publishing company that prints law books, mostly for cities. She was a proof reader, so had to go over every line, every piece of punctuation, every little detail.

It was great preparation for the exam and she aced it - at eight and a half months pregnant. The examiner was nervous that she would go into labor during the exam.

[dawg day]

38. Okay, I'll just criticizing her then for trying to re-elect her scumbag father. :)

What a pernicious task. But she's obviously all in with the family that her mother made sure to raise her away from. (Ugly sentence alert!)

[Ms. Toad]

45. Fair enough

And I have no idea whether she even tried to register for the exam.

I just know what a mess it was, and how many of my own students suffered and had to delay the bar exam because of COVID-imposed restrictions on registration. (And, later, from having to wrestle with teh choice of delaying the bar exam to take it only once, or having to take it twice because the July-October scores were generally not portable.)

[SunSeeker]

41. None of those things are listed as requirements on the NY bar examiners' page.

Her graduating from Georgetown Law School appears to be all she needs to be able to sit for the NY bar:

https://www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm


Got a link for those new requirements?

[Ms. Toad]

44. It's not new (and ongoing) - it is COVID-related specific to the July exam.

Which was ultimatey resheduled to October.

Ordinarily you are correct. But because NY (and most jurisdictions) originally planned to administer the bar exam in person in a socially distanced setting they crafted rules for the July exam that excluded many of my students (those who took February and failed - regardless of where they went to school, and students who went to school outside of NY.

The formal announcement is likely long-gone, but here is an article about it: https://abovethelaw.com/2020/05/ny-bar-exam-to-be-limited-to-ny-law-schools-other-law-schools-displeased/

[A]pplications will be accepted from any J.D. or LL.M. candidate who is sitting for the bar examination for the first time and who has graduated (or will graduate in Spring 2020) from one of the fifteen law schools located in New York State: Albany Law School, Brooklyn Law School, University at Buffalo School of Law, Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, Columbia Law School, CUNY School of Law, Cornell Law School, Fordham University School of Law, Maurice A. Deane School of Law at Hofstra University, New York Law School, New York University School of Law, Elisabeth Haub School of Law at Pace University, St. John’s University School of Law, Syracuse University College of Law, or Touro College Jacob D. Fuchsberg Law Center.

I was able to get some, but not all, of my students who planned to take the NY exam rescheduled in NJ, and one or two in Ohio. I wasn't able to get any into DC.

This is part of what I do for a living - so I know the restrictions from first-hand experience getting panicked calls from examinees who had just been told they were not allowed to sit for the bar exam in the jurisdiction in which they had been planning for 2-4 years, and from countless hours spent trying to find jurisdictions that offered what is known as courtesy seating so that they could take an exam somewhere and transfer the score to NY or DC.

[SunSeeker]

48. So there is no such requirement; Tiffany had nothing stopping her from taking the October NY bar.

And by taking and passing the NY bar (and MBE and MPRE) she could also have gotten admitted to the DC bar. So her excuse (according to the October 2020 article in the OP) that she didn't take the bar because she didn't know whether she'd live in DC or outside of DC is bullshit. It makes no sense. She could have studied for the bar of whatever state she intended to live in if her father lost, since that would also get her membership to the DC bar.

[Ms. Toad]

57. There was not for the February 2020 exam.

There is not for the February 2021 exam.

There was for the July bar exam (which was postponed until October 2020 - there is not ordinarily an October bar exam).

You don't like the first source - here's another one.
https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/new-york-limits-bar-exam-to-in-state-graduates

It is not a permanent, ongoing requirement (any more than having a bar exam in October is a ongoing thing). It was a requirement imposed in a last-ditch attempt to hold the bar exam in person in the midst of a global pandemic.

As to sitting for a bar exam in another state to become licensed in either DC or NY, by the time jurisdictions designated who would be allowed to compete for the few seats, there were virtually no other places accepting applications to sit for the bar exam.

Each state has its own set of deadlines. DC is one of the latest - so by the time DC changed its rules there were virtually no states still accepting registration for the bar exam.

NY announced its policy a bit earlier earlier - but when it did the only courtesy seating jurisdictions (Maine, Oregon, and New Mexico) were either filled - or the deadline had passed.

Many states (non-courtesy seating states) have requirements that in order to sit for the exam you had to intend to obtain a license in the states. A couple of my students got into NJ, since they intended to be cross-licensed. But I had several students who could not take the July bar exam anywhere, because the only jurisictions still accepting applications were not places they intended to obtain a license. Sitting in one of those states, with no intention of being licensed there, would have immediately subjected them to a disciplinary complaint that could potentially strip them of their license and prevent them practicing anywhere)

Complicating matters even further - some states require you to be qualified as to character and fitness before you sit for the bar exam (a process that typically takes up to a year). So my NY examinees (with post-exam character and fitness) who might have come back to Ohio to take the bar exam couldn't - because they had not even started the character and fitness process

You seem to be under the impression that you can just waltz in off the street, as long as you have a JD, and take the bar exam. It is not that simple - even in a year that is not disrupted by COVID it takes advance planning, registration by a fixed deadline (that varies from state to state), character and fitness requirements (that vary from state to state), prohibitions on sitting in states without an intent to practic there (that vary from state to state), etc.

The July 2020 bar exam (spread over 4 months, with many states imposing severe restrictions on the number of seats available) was even more of a nightmare than usual.

[SunSeeker]

64. Why are you talking about the February 2020 exam? Tiffany was still in law school then.

And of course she can't just "waltz in" to a bar exam. I never said or implied she could. Of course she has to fill out the appropriate application forms. Again, you list no reason why she could not take the first bar exam held in NY after her graduation, namely the October 2020 bar exam. She makes no claim that she was unable or somehow missed the deadline for applying to take the October NY exam or any other state's bar.exam. You are making up these assertions without any basis in fact, a defense of Tiffany Trump that she herself never raised.

The fact is, her claim that she didn't take the bar because she didn't know whether she was staying in DC makes no sense, and was probably bullshit, like just about everything that comes out of a Trump’s mouth.

[Ms. Toad]

67. Since I spent quite a few hours in late April/early May

fielding frantic calls from students who were shut out of the NY bar exam, and spent even more time trying to find exam seats for students in exactly the same position as Trump would have been in had she tried to sit for the July 2020 NY bar exam, it's kind of seared in my memory.

I have given you links to two articles that each reported on the decision by NY to limit the July examinees to first time examinees who graduated from NY law schools.

Trump graduated from Georgetown (a DC law school), she was not a graduate of a NY law school, so she was not eligible to take the July exam in NY (which ended up being held remotely in October).

The rules you pointed to in your original response are the ordinary rules that govern applications for the bar exam (including the two bar exams on either side of the first exam Trump might have taken - i.e. the February 2020 exam and the February 2021 exam).

As I have explained repeatedly, the rules in NY for the July 2020 exam (and virtually every other jurisdiction) were changed because of COVID 19. The NY restrictions, limiting examinees to 1st time NY grads, were the most dramatic of all of the jurisdictions. Because the changes were one-time changes, they were not, by and large, included in the rules for admission that are currently posted on bar admission websites.

It's also a whole lot more complicated than "filling out the appropriate forms" as anyone who has ever taken a bar exam will tell you, which is why the NY decision was so challenging for those of us working with bar examinees. The bar exam ordinarily is offered two times a year. (There were, in fact, at least 4 separate "July" administrations - with the last near the end of October. BUT most jurisdictions did not change the application deadline, even though the bar exam was delayed - and virtually all ended up being administered remotely). Because other application deadlines were not delayed, by the time NY made its decision to shut out a substantial number of examinees, it was too late for most of those shut out by NY to shift to a different jurisdiction.

Whether that impacted Trump or not - who knows. But she didn't graduate from a law school that would have made her eligible to take the first NY bar exam after her graduation. It is also unlikely that, she would have been able to sit in DC. What had been anticipated to be a DC application window of a couple of weeks was shut down minutes after it opened, since many of the people shut out of NY tried to shift to DC (since it was one of the few jurisdictions an application period that was - theoretically - still open). Despite the fact that I personally notified each of my students in advance of the DC application window, so they could be online the minute it opened, none of my students were able to get a seat in DC after being shut out of NY.

[SunSeeker]

68. This isn't about you or your confused law students. This is about Tiffany Trump.

And Tiffany Trump did not say she missed the October NY bar exam deadline or any other state bar exam application deadline. There are no facts indicating she was unable to meet such deadlines. She just gave the bullshit excuse that she didn't know if she was staying in DC. Not knowing whether she was staying in DC did not prevent her from taking a bar exam. However, not being able to buy a passing bar exam score may have.

[Ms. Toad]

69. It has little to do with missing deadlines.

It has to do with one-time restrictions imposed by NY that limited access to the July 2020 bar exam (administered in October) to 1st time examinees who graduated from NY law schools Whether she wanted to take the NY exam or not, Trump did not quaify because she did not graduate from a NY law school.

I've given you links to two articles referencing the restriction imposed by NY. It was a real problem that prevented many people who wanted to take the NY bar exam from doing so. Ordinarily, approximately 10,000 graduates take the July bar exam (10,071 in July 2019, 9679 in July 2018, 9932 in July 2017). Only 5,150 took the July 2020 bar exam (administered in October).

I guess half of the people who would ordinarily take the July 2020 were just "confused."

I have never claimed to know why Trump did not take the July 2020 bar exam. What I have said is that even if she wanted to, she was not eligible to take the NY bar exam in the July 2020 cycle because she graduated from the wrong school.

[SunSeeker]

70. There was no NY Bar exam in July 2020, it was continued to October 2020.

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And there was absolutely no restriction barring Tiffany Trump from applying for and taking the October 2020 NY Bar exam, as you acknowledge. It is pointless to talk about a July bar exam date that never went forward. The October NY bar exam went forward without any of the law school restrictions you speak of, so these restrictions are irrelevant to this discussion of why Tiffany Trump did not sit for any bar exam after graduating law school. You bringing it up is misleading people into thinking she could not take the October 2020 NY exam, and your header on your first post in this thread stating "She would not have had the option to take it in New York" is dead wrong.

[Ms. Toad]

71. The July exam did go forward - in October.

There is no separate October bar exam. The bar exam is administered twice a year: July and February. Just as one-time restrictions limiting examinees to graduates of NY law schools were imposed because of COVID, there was a COVID-driven delay of the administration of the July exam until October.

On July 24 the New York State Board of Law Examiners announced that New York will administer a remote exam on October 5-6. . . . The Board had previously announced on July 16 that the exam scheduled for September 9-10 would be canceled.

Prior to that, the Court had announced in a March 27 press release that the exam would be rescheduled for fall 2020, with the Board subsequently announcing that the exam would be rescheduled for September 9-10.

July 2020 jurisdiction information

Those who were permitted to sit for the July exam which was administered in October, following two delays, were those who had applied to sit for the July bar exam by the normal deadline for the July exam, under the one-time restrictions that limited applicants to first time examinees who graduated from a NY law school. (So no, Trump would not have been permitted to sit for the NY bar exam administered in October, since she graduated from a DC law school)

The normal rules, which permit examinees who graduated from schools outside of New York, are back in place for the next bar exam, which will be administered Tuesday and Wednesday of this week. This will be the first administration of the NY bar exam that is open to Trump since she graduated in Spring 2020.

[SunSeeker]

73. Your claim that "She would not have had the option to take it in New York" is dead wrong.

Tiffany Trump could have taken the bar exam in New York in October of 2020 or February 2021. The NY law school restrictions were dropped after the July 2020 exam was moved to October 2020.

[Ms. Toad]

76. February 2021 - yes

(aside from tense, since it doesn't happen until tomorrow and Wednesday.) I have no idea whether she has applied to sit for February or not. If she did, and she passes, we'll know when the results are released in late April/early May. (Names of examinees who fail are not published.) Because this exam is being administered remotely (ie. no big gathering where press might spot her), it is unlikely that we will know if she is taking the bar exam this week until she passes.

October 2020 - no. To take the July bar exam (regardless when it was actually administered), you had to apply to sit for the July bar exam. That application had to be submitted by the deadline (approximately April 30), and applications during that time period were limited to 1st time examinees who graduated from New York law schools. No new applications were accepted after the ordinary deadline for the July bar exam.

So even if the restrictions were dropped on July 24, the moment the administration date was moved to October, it was already 3 months too late to apply to take the exam.

[SunSeeker]

81. Last March, when the 7/20 exam was moved to 10/20, the April 30 application deadline was vacated.

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/emorylawbar/2020/03/30/new-york-bar-exam-postponed-from-july-to-fall-2020/

“COVID-19. UPDATE The New York Court of Appeals today announced that the New York State Bar Examination will not be administered on July 28-29, 2020 as previously scheduled. Click here to read the press release from the Court of Appeals dated March 27, 2020.

The State Board of Law Examiners will announce the new date for the exam and the dates for the application filing period as soon as it becomes available.

Further information will be posted on this website when available. Additional information regarding the impact of COVID-19 on the July 2020 bar exam is available on NCBE’s website at: http://www.ncbex.org/ncbe-covid-19-updates/ .”

https://www.nybarexam.org/Docs/Revised%20FAQs%20NY%20Remote%20Exam_10.02.2020.pdf


https://www.nybarexam.org/ExamDates/ExamDates.html


So it does appear Tiffany had plenty of heads up, since March 27, 2020, that she could apply for the October 2020 remote NY bar exam, as well as the February 2021 exam.

[treestar]

58. Not too fair to a native NYer who

went to an out of state law school but wanted to go back to NY to practice. Or could they be a first timer?

Are these just for Covid?

[Ms. Toad]

61. Just for COVID, just for the July 2020 exam.

They ended up having to cancel the in person exam - but they made the decision after the damage was already done.

Since they made the decision to go remote for February 2021 early enough (meaning no space restrictions), they opened registration back up under the normal rules.

But yes, it wasn't fair. We had a number of students who took the February 2020 exam but didn't pass. They weren't allowed to take it in July - so they are now a year and a half past graduation, and a year past their last exam. (That rule applied even for graduates of NY law schools). I'm pretty sure we had at least one student who came from NY and wanted to return - they were shut out, too.

NY wasn't the only jurisdiction imposing restrictions (they were just the strictest), so all of us working with students getting ready for the bar exam were scrambling to find open seats for our students.

[SunSeeker]

18. If she becomes a member of any state bar (i.e. NY or FL) she can also be admitted to the DC bar.

The DC bar has reciprocity with all US state bars. So it makes no sense to say she can't decide whether to apply to the FL or DC bar. Once she passes the FL bar, she could get admitted to both.

Something is up here. Maybe she failed the bar exam and doesn't want to admit it.

[Sanity Claws]

23. She would have to be a member of the other bar for at least 5 years to join the DC bar

under the reciprocity rules.

[SunSeeker]

24. It makes no sense to not take a state bar exam when you're fresh out of law school.

It's still killing two birds with one stone, albeit 5 years apart. Plus it gets harder to pass the bar as more time goes by from the subjects you learn in law school. Bar prep courses can only do so much.

And last I checked, you don't have to wait 5 years if you passed the MBE & MPRE:

Rule 46(c) of the D.C. Court of Appeals Rules governs admission to the D.C. Bar for attorneys licensed in other jurisdictions. The process in D.C. is called Admission by Motion. Attorneys may be admitted through two ways.

First, attorneys may be eligible if they have been admitted in any state or territory of the United States for five years immediately preceding the application for admission.

Second, attorneys may be eligible if they:

(1) Have a law degree from an ABA approved law school;

(2) Were admitted to any state or territory of the United States after completing a written bar exam and achieving a scaled score of 133 or greater on the Multistate Bar Exam (“MBE” ), which the state or territory deems to have been taken as part of the bar exam;

(3) Have achieved a scaled score of 75 or greater on the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam (“MPRE” ).

https://barreciprocity.com/d-c-bar-reciprocity/

[MyMission]

56. Unless you're concerned daddy will make you work for free

Serving on any number of his legal defense teams, tarnishing her reputation.
It's enough she's campaigning for him to gain attention and approval.

It might have been a calculated move on her part to avoid that fate.
Not that I really believe that. She's in no rush. Too busy with wedding plans.

[kskiska]

60. She was most likely counting on a huge White House wedding.

[Solomon]

29. Right. It's not as simple as passing another state's bar. You still would have to take an exam in

some form to be admitted to the DC bar. There's no reciprocity with all state bars. I think the poster might be confusing the fact that you can work a federal legal job in DC if you have the bar from some other state but this is not the same as being admitted to the DC bar.

[SunSeeker]

35. No, I'm not confusing it with a fed job.

I'm basing it on my personal experience. Unless DC has recently changed its rules, DC has reciprocity with all the states, including the states Tiffany is considering (NY, CA and FL), she just needs to have graduated from an ABA approved law school and passed the MPRE and MBE. https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2017-07/DCCA%20Rule%2046%20Admission%20to%20the%20Bar.pdf

Virtually every attorney I know here in California has gotten DC bar membership that way.

[Solomon]

51. And I'm speaking from experience. I'm an attorney who took the California bar, the DC bar and the

Maryland bar. DC does NOT have automatic reciprocity with all state bars. The three hardest bars in the country are reconsidered to be California, NY and DC. Pennsylvania was considered one of the easiest. You cannot pass the bar in Pennsylvania and be admitted to the DC bar. It doesn't work like that. There are a couple states(Ca. and NY) that the DC bar will have some reciprocity with, but there is no blanket reciprocity with every state bar. You can always file a motion to be admitted pro has vice on a particular case but that's not the same as being admitted to the DC bar.

I realize, I'm an old guy now having practiced for 42 years now, and some bar rules may have changed, but as I said, you can't be summarily admitted to the DC bar by passing for example, the Pennsylvania bar.

Everyone would just flock to the state with the easiest bar to get bar membership everywhere.

[SunSeeker]

53. Of course other states limit reciprocity between themselves. But I'm talking about DC.

Last I checked, if you're a member of any state bar, went to an ABA approved law school and got the requisite scores on the MPRE and MBE, you can be admitted to the DC bar. https://www.dccourts.gov/sites/default/files/2017-07/DCCA%20Rule%2046%20Admission%20to%20the%20Bar.pdf. https://www.dccourts.gov/court-of-appeals/committee-on-admissions

Which is why I think Tiffany's excuse for why she didn't sit for a bar exam makes no sense and sounds like bullshit.

[Solomon]

77. "Requisite scores". That means it's not automatic just because you passed some other state bar.

Granted, the threshold to even pass might be the same or higher in some of the harder states. You make it seem like DC is one of the easiest Bars to get admitted to when it is actually one of the hardest.

[SunSeeker]

80. CA and New York bar exams are harder. But no bar exam is "easy."

I never suggested DC was among the easiest. And of course nothing is automatic, I never suggested otherwise. But she could have gone to another "easier" state like, say, Ohio or Maryland, to take their bar. If she passed it and got the requisite MBE and MPRE scores, she could have taken advantage of special covid accomodation reciprocity rules for the NY exam allowing those scores to count as her score on the NY exam:

RECIPROCITY FOR THE TRANSFER OF SCORES EARNED ON THE REMOTE BAR ADMISSION EXAMINATION ON OCTOBER 5-6, 2020:

The New York State Board of Law Examiners has entered into reciprocity agreements to permit candidates to transfer scores earned on the remote bar admission examination that was administered on October 5-6, 2020. The Board has entered into reciprocity agreements with the following jurisdictions: Connecticut, District of Columbia, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee and Vermont. A score off 266 or greater is required in order to transfer the score to New York.

The following candidates will be eligible to transfer to New York a score earned on the remote exam in a reciprocal jurisdiction: 

1) Any candidate who graduated from an ABA-approved law school with a J.D. degree and who has not previously sat for a bar exam in any U.S. jurisdiction;

2) Any foreign educated candidate who graduated from an ABA-approved law school with an LL.M. degree and who has not previously sat for a bar exam in any U.S. jurisdiction;

3) Any candidate who graduated in 2018 with a J.D. degree from an ABA-approved law school and who sat for one prior administration of the UBE but who has not sat for more than one prior bar exam in any U.S. jurisdiction; and

4) Any candidate who graduated in 2019 or later with a J.D. degree from an ABA approved law school and who previously took the UBE and failed no more than two times.

Candidates who do not meet one of the aforementioned criteria may submit a verified petition to the Board seeking a waiver under Board Rule 6000.15. To apply by transferred remote bar exam score login to your BOLE Account and scroll down to Application by Transferred Remote Bar Exam Score and click the Remote Exam Transfer button to access the application. If you previously applied to take the bar exam in New York and received a credit of your application fee you will be able to apply the credit towards the fee for the Application by Transferred Bar Exam Score. Upon completion of your application you will receive an email confirmation from the Board with further instructions. The Board will contact the other remote bar exam jurisdiction to obtain your score. Should you have questions please contact the Board at [phone].

https://www.nybarexam.org/

She could have gotten reciprocity admission to both the NY and DC by taking the bar in DC or in an "easier" state. So her claim that she didn't take the bar because she didn't know whether she was staying in DC is bullshit. She could have been admitted to both, if she was as smart as she claims she is.

[TexasBushwhacker]

59. I've heard that both the DC and NY bar exams are extra hard n/t

[SunSeeker]

62. California has the hardest bar exam.

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https://www.jdadvising.com/states-hardest-bar-exams/#:~:text=in%20alphabetical%20order.-,California,bar%20exam%20in%20the%20country.

And yet California is in the top 10 in terms of number of lawyers per capita, as is NY and DC. https://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/original-research-updated/lawyers-per-capita-by-state/

[C_U_L8R]

39. Yet another bonespur of an excuse from a Trump

Meh.

[Peregrine Took]

40. My 67 my old co worker went to law school at night and passed the bar exam

the only time he took it.
He was a good writer and had been a H.S. Latin teacher.
Real smart and very well read.

Our supervisor, in his 40's, went to the same school and flunked the bar 3 times.

[MizLibby]

43. I love stories like this!

[Shrike47]

46. Some people are good enough lawyers but lousy test takers. The Bar is different from school, and

practicing is different from each of them. I did fine on the Bar but would hate to take it now after practicing for decades. If you specialize, pretty soon that’s most of what you know.

[ecstatic]

66. Awesome! nt

[Joinfortmill]

49. Too bad. She may regret her decision.

[deurbano]

54. Jared never took the bar exam, after his dad donated millions to get him into Harvard and NYU.

Probably realized that was one qualification the Kushner family couldn't buy... plus he was never going to practice law, anyway. Maybe Tiffany doesn't actually plan to work for a living, either.

[SunSeeker]

65. Bingo. You can't buy yourself a bar exam passage. nt

[monkeyman1]

55. oh great , t. trump -public defender at large .

[DFW]

74. Oh, please, please, please have her take it in New York

Each state has its own bar exam, and they vary widely in difficulty. My daughter, whose native language is not English, went to law school in New York and took the bar exam there. She said it was brutal, but she passed. Plenty did not.

The New York bar exam is reputed to be one of the toughest int he country. It requires intense preparation, even after three years of law school snd two summers of whatever legal experience a law student can get. Law students are expected to clerk for a judge, or work with a law firm somewhere. Her first summer was during the Bush recession, and there was nothing to be had, so she applied for, and got, a position with the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal in Sierra Leone (one of two out of 200 applicants).

But even that doesn't help you with the bar exam, especially in New York. Other states are easier. Massachusetts, for example, is supposed to be so much easier by comparison, it is called "Passachusetts" by law students. But I don't suppose Tiffany Trump can be bothered to visit such a backwater location as Massachusetts to take a bar exam. The legal profession is probably better off anyhow.

[kskiska]

79. I recall how JFK Jr. failed the NY bar exam twice.

[Rhiannon12866]

75. Well, if anyone could use a lawyer in the family, that family does...

[Jersey Devil]

78. I suspect she already took it and failed it

Bar exams are usually given in the summer right after law school graduation, then you wait until the fall for the results. I went to law school a long time ago but I don't remember anyone who skipped taking the bar exam. In fact, several took it in more than one state.