General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMore than 1,500 apply to participate in Ulster County's Universal Basic Income pilot program
Daily FreemanThrough the program, 100 eligible Ulster County households will receive a guaranteed $500 monthly income from May 1, 2021, to April 30, 2022, for a total of $6,000 per recipient.
The outpouring of applications, he said, speaks to the dire financial straits that many community members find themselves and the need for government leaders to find new and innovative ways to address the needs of their communities.
"It's a sad validation of how much need there is right now," Ryan said during an interview Thursday, Feb. 18, a day after announcing plans for the program during his State of the County address.
Still not seeing any evidence that this can be effectively scaled up to a national program.
NJCher
(35,619 posts)Still not seeing any evidence that this can be effectively scaled up to a national program.
is to plunge right in and see where it goes.
It's kind of like writing--it's a process and it just needs to get started.
Anyway, happy to see this.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)...you can have wealthy people (paying into the fund) with the option to move out and poor people (desiring income) with the option to move in. That's not sustainable.
NJCher
(35,619 posts)i.e., will it work in the most typical of American situations?
When I worked in market research, this was the question. I can't see a national program being voted in without learning from pilot projects.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)Every State-based concept has failed for the same reason.
NJCher
(35,619 posts)wasn't aware of that.
Regardless of whether it did or didn't, the attempt taught the people who constructed the national plan a thing or two.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)brooklynite
(94,333 posts)It is a mandate to have privately sponsored health insurance with subsidies for low income taxpayers.
NJCher
(35,619 posts)it is.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)The equivalent in health care policy has always been defined as "Single Payer". Every State that has attempted it has failed or given up.
Turin_C3PO
(13,909 posts)We might have no chance of passing it now but it will be needed more and more as the world gets more automated.
FBaggins
(26,721 posts)How much "need" would there have to be to apply for a program that will pay you $500/month when all you have to do in exchange is reveal how you spend it?
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)FBaggins
(26,721 posts)The whole study is so that when UBI is proposed, they can say "research shows that 97% of the money is spent on basic necessities, not luxuries, and recipients did not produce less labor just because they received free money"
Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)Even the ruling class knows that the masses will need to be able to feed themselves so they don't eat the rich.
Here's the thing, for decades now, the workers haven't gotten a fair share of the wealth that their labor produces, it's been taken by the top 1%. It's time to give some of it back. Automation and AI is going to eliminate a ton of jobs, the people need to share in the gains from the new technologies or they'll simply eat the rich.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)A society that organizes itself around wages won't make it
Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)I am an aerospace engineer. I see software engineering isn't a safe career either. We have software that writes software. We have software that writes test cases and test procedures for software requirements. We have a tool that was built and run by 1 super smart engineer that replaced the work of literally 300 software engineers writing test scripts for a year straight.
And for non skilled labor, we've gone from manufacturing, to retail, to warehouse jobs. And warehouse jobs are easily automated, those warehouse jobs will be 80% gone in 15 years.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)Will be a dinosaur...
That means capitalism AND socialism...
Paradigm shifts are a bugbear