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"This is the end of the road for Trump" (Original Post) triron Feb 2021 OP
Yes, there are no more legal avenues to prevent the grand jury from getting his tax returns Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2021 #1
As in, no appeals left on this matter intrepidity Feb 2021 #2
BREAKING NEWS: msnbc HE IS NO LONGER THE pRESIDENT MagickMuffin Feb 2021 #3
That grated on me, too. nt birdographer Feb 2021 #30
Yessir. ChazInAz Feb 2021 #44
I think it is the BEGINNING of the end of the road for him PatSeg Feb 2021 #4
And the GOP, now QOP, bought into it, thinking it's the only way to save their dying party ffr Feb 2021 #25
Yes, for republicans PatSeg Feb 2021 #28
Hunch says, Brush Bunny Feb 2021 #5
Anybody who can credibly be accused of going easy on him in the past GopherGal Feb 2021 #11
Oh you stinker, Brush Bunny Feb 2021 #13
There must be some really juicy stuff in those returns judging by how hard he fought to keep them napi21 Feb 2021 #6
Pretty Sure It's The Former ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #9
IMO, it's going to prove, or at least strongly suggest, that he has, perhaps illegally, BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #37
Cy Vance has hired this century's 'Eliot Ness' to that effect weeks ago. Justice matters. Feb 2021 #10
And what's NOT in the returns could be just as illuminating Brother Buzz Feb 2021 #17
How much will we see? wnylib Feb 2021 #33
I'm betting we will see these tax returns soon. Leaks seem to be fwvinson Feb 2021 #39
What is a disgrace is that this simple decision took years. Midnight Writer Feb 2021 #7
;-{) Goonch Feb 2021 #8
Imagine once found guilty that all his assets are seized. Hope there are no deals. BSdetect Feb 2021 #12
They're getting only 8 years of Chump's tax records FakeNoose Feb 2021 #14
What makes you think they, Russians, are not bagging laundry now on the Trump acct.? fwvinson Feb 2021 #41
Whatever income he has now is being triple scrutinized FakeNoose Feb 2021 #47
Al Capone did eleven years in prison for tax evasion. nt Grasswire2 Feb 2021 #15
For someone only paying $750 supposedly in taxes, I suspect... SWBTATTReg Feb 2021 #16
They got Al Capone on tax evasion. patphil Feb 2021 #18
The American people deserved this information to be made public 5 years ago Mr. Ected Feb 2021 #19
We'll see lame54 Feb 2021 #20
Inconsistencies will abound MyMission Feb 2021 #21
And the persecution card is right on cue! Initech Feb 2021 #22
On Trumps "favorite contacts" list... JHB Feb 2021 #43
Oh PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZE Make It So!!! calimary Feb 2021 #23
Doubly impeached EX-pResident. ffr Feb 2021 #24
Wait, wait! Can't he appeal to NATO? Or the UN? Or the International Court of Justice? erronis Feb 2021 #26
The End Xipe Totec Feb 2021 #27
Trumpsky has an edifice complex. n/t Harker Feb 2021 #31
Edifice Wrecks nt Xipe Totec Feb 2021 #32
... Harker Feb 2021 #34
Lock her up..... Jon King Feb 2021 #29
Closer & closer. Step by step. Inch by inch. I ... electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #35
"This is the end of the road for (fill in the blank)" LiberalLovinLug Feb 2021 #36
Yep, and the appointment of straight shooting Robert Mueller was going to be the end of Trump as well jalan48 Feb 2021 #38
unfortunately, I have to agree with your assessment. tikka Feb 2021 #40
If at first you don't succeed....try, try again fwvinson Feb 2021 #42
So take away the money and power? Aussie105 Feb 2021 #45
I'll believe it when it actually happens Retrograde Feb 2021 #46
Bye Don! Blue Owl Feb 2021 #48
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Yes, there are no more legal avenues to prevent the grand jury from getting his tax returns
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 03:59 PM
Feb 2021

Let's see what Cy Vance is willing/able to do with the information.

MagickMuffin

(18,318 posts)
3. BREAKING NEWS: msnbc HE IS NO LONGER THE pRESIDENT
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:02 PM
Feb 2021


PLEASE refrain from referring to him as such.


PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
4. I think it is the BEGINNING of the end of the road for him
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:02 PM
Feb 2021

I think there is a lot more to come, probably much more than most people even realize. The man's entire adult life has been one big scam. The more you dig, the more you will find.

ffr

(23,398 posts)
25. And the GOP, now QOP, bought into it, thinking it's the only way to save their dying party
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:09 PM
Feb 2021

May they all be flushed down the toilet and forgotten forever!

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
28. Yes, for republicans
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:21 PM
Feb 2021

it is by any means necessary. The ends justify the means. There is no real moral compass in their party, though they like to pay lip service to "values" and "integrity".

 

Brush Bunny

(96 posts)
5. Hunch says,
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:05 PM
Feb 2021

all those DA's and AG's that sat on cases are about to go all in. Expecting Tax Collectors to ramp up Collections as well. Especially dealing with fake Property valuations.

GopherGal

(2,905 posts)
11. Anybody who can credibly be accused of going easy on him in the past
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:12 PM
Feb 2021

(talkin' 'bout you, Cy) will now want to go after him hard to erase that impression. Especially if they're in an elected office, given "the prior guy's" low approval ratings in his old neighborhood.

 

Brush Bunny

(96 posts)
13. Oh you stinker,
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:15 PM
Feb 2021

golly who would have thought. Hmmm,that 45k from JarVanka may have had a impact,nooooo.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
6. There must be some really juicy stuff in those returns judging by how hard he fought to keep them
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:06 PM
Feb 2021

secret. Either hes been lying BIG TIME about how much he's worth, or something like where his investments are. It will be interesting to see just what it is.

ProfessorGAC

(76,695 posts)
9. Pretty Sure It's The Former
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:10 PM
Feb 2021

There are reasonable estimates that put him as having under what he inherited in 1991.
We'll probably also going to find some tax chicanery to help cover interest on debt.
But, I think the biggest revelation is that his claims of interest payments will show the debt load is WAY higher than he ever claimed & that he's not a billionaire. Perhaps not even close.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
37. IMO, it's going to prove, or at least strongly suggest, that he has, perhaps illegally,
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:55 PM
Feb 2021

played both ends of the ownership situation. Lowball his holdings to escape his proper tax owing, but overvalue them (and probably hide how highly leveraged they are, as much as possible) when it comes time to borrow against them.

Does anyone else wonder how his hellspawn - AKA 'children' - are going to treat him if he really goes bankrupt? Any loyalty or fear left for him to play off? I'm sure Melania (sic) will grab anything that's portable and of value and run for the hills. She might already be prepping for that day.

Justice matters.

(9,786 posts)
10. Cy Vance has hired this century's 'Eliot Ness' to that effect weeks ago.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:12 PM
Feb 2021
His name is Mark Pomerantz: He busted Gambino's mob boss.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9283939/Manhattan-DA-hires-high-profile-mob-lawyer-Mark-Pomerantz-help-investigate-Trump.html

Manhattan DA hires high profile 'mob lawyer' who prosecuted Gambino boss John Gotti to help investigate Trump's business dealings

Mark Pomerantz joined Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance Jr's team as a special assistant district attorney earlier this month

Pomerantz brings decades of experience prosecuting and defending white collar crime cases to Vance's investigation of Donald Trump's business dealings

He served as chief of the criminal division in the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York from 1997 to 1999

During that time he helped take down Gambino boss John A Gotti

Pomerantz then moved to private practice, where he specializes in RICO cases

His hiring is part of a flurry of recent activity in Vance's investigation of Trump

Last week Pomerantz interviewed Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen

Brother Buzz

(39,895 posts)
17. And what's NOT in the returns could be just as illuminating
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:29 PM
Feb 2021

I suspect a competent forensic accountant could find a boatload of red flags on shit that was conveniently omitted.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
33. How much will we see?
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:50 PM
Feb 2021

They are supposed to be kept private by the investigators and not released to the general public. I'm sure that we will learn something of what's in the tax forms, based on what charges might eventually be brought, but it could be a very long time before the general public knows what is in them.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
39. I'm betting we will see these tax returns soon. Leaks seem to be
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:18 PM
Feb 2021

profitable to these fellas.

Midnight Writer

(25,409 posts)
7. What is a disgrace is that this simple decision took years.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:09 PM
Feb 2021

This matter should have been disposed of long ago.

FakeNoose

(41,631 posts)
14. They're getting only 8 years of Chump's tax records
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:22 PM
Feb 2021

... and his casinos did their money-laundering (for the Russian mob) almost 30 years ago. So what is Cy Vance actually going to find? The tax records must be hiding something big, otherwise Chump would not have been fighting so hard. Curiouser and curiouser.

FakeNoose

(41,631 posts)
47. Whatever income he has now is being triple scrutinized
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 07:03 PM
Feb 2021

It's the activities that took place before he ran for president that he can't explain and he can't change. Also Michael Cohen has told us that Chump's income is understated by a lot to avoid taxes. His profits are overstated by a lot to qualify for bank loans.

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
16. For someone only paying $750 supposedly in taxes, I suspect...
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:25 PM
Feb 2021

massive, illegal deductions, that consist of massively contrived numbers.

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
19. The American people deserved this information to be made public 5 years ago
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:48 PM
Feb 2021

We went through 2 election cycles and he was miraculously protected by laws that had never existed in the past and would certainly not exist if applied to Joe Biden.

We can talk all we want about protecting and preserving our democracy, but until there is TRUE equal justice under the law, most of this is just a charade.

MyMission

(2,010 posts)
21. Inconsistencies will abound
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:57 PM
Feb 2021

That's for sure.
He undervalued properties for taxes and inflated them for net worth and depreciation and losses claimed.

ffr

(23,398 posts)
24. Doubly impeached EX-pResident.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:05 PM
Feb 2021

Fixed!

T---- is a word that is so vile so shameful, it should never to be repeated.

erronis

(23,872 posts)
26. Wait, wait! Can't he appeal to NATO? Or the UN? Or the International Court of Justice?
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:14 PM
Feb 2021

Oh, wait. He's told all of them to go pound sand.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
29. Lock her up.....
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:27 PM
Feb 2021

You can not make this stuff up, they all chant lock her up...Flynn and Trump cronies spent time in jail. Looking more and more like Trump will too. Meanwhile Hillary will continue to enjoy her amazing life and family free as a bird.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
35. Closer & closer. Step by step. Inch by inch. I ...
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:53 PM
Feb 2021
sure hope he spends at least SOME time in jail!

Preferably MORE time me in jail.
Maybe even die in jail if he's there long enough.

A miserable human being who caused trauma, pain,
illness and death in our country, and probably elsewhere, too.
😔😥🤬🤬🤬

LiberalLovinLug

(14,685 posts)
36. "This is the end of the road for (fill in the blank)"
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 05:53 PM
Feb 2021

Ronald Reagan
Oliver North
George W Bush
Dick Cheney
Karl Rove
Eric Prince
Roger Stone
Paul Manafort


I will believe it when I see it. Money and power can buy you a lot.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
38. Yep, and the appointment of straight shooting Robert Mueller was going to be the end of Trump as well
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:04 PM
Feb 2021

Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
45. So take away the money and power?
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:58 PM
Feb 2021

And see what he really is made of?
(HINT: it isn't pretty.)

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
46. I'll believe it when it actually happens
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 07:01 PM
Feb 2021

Donnie has managed to wiggle out of a lot of tight spots in the past. For a start, his lawyers (assuming he can find any still willing to work for him) can argue that Vance is being vindictive because he was criticized for not being harder on the Trump family a decade ago.

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