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Mark my word - when we see the final report on January 6 (Original Post) malaise Feb 2021 OP
Exactly! FM123 Feb 2021 #1
For sure! BlueJac Feb 2021 #2
K&R, the DC Cap basically said he couldn't get the NG to move. Now Blunt is trying uponit7771 Feb 2021 #3
But Irving changed the time malaise Feb 2021 #4
lol ... Portman, " why weren't you guys prepared for full force treason !??!" uponit7771 Feb 2021 #5
The Trump pro police group wanted to know why police fired tear gas malaise Feb 2021 #7
And not a single Sur Zobra Feb 2021 #6
Let's stay positive and hope that what you are saying is not true Escurumbele Feb 2021 #13
Agree about the root causes and who was involved. But I believe TPTB, including some dems, wiggs Feb 2021 #8
Excellent post malaise Feb 2021 #9
True. ancianita Feb 2021 #11
There are too many avenues for the information to leak out and to rapidly spread. I agree TPTB will Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #17
Agree. Several of your examples come to my mind as well. Election integrity, or lack of, wiggs Feb 2021 #31
I agree, some of the facts will be kept secret. We will find out years down the road if at all. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #26
I bet there are all kinds of events, the total truth of which we don't, and probably never will know BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #36
Yes. The American people only get bits and pieces of the truth about major events. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #38
Without a doubt. I hope they don't soft pedal it. liberalla Feb 2021 #10
Of course. And time will keep hunting Roc2020 Feb 2021 #12
Charlie Pierce (Esquire magazine) said Trump's new career is as a professional defendant. OMGWTF Feb 2021 #14
I like that insight! Let it be true. KS Toronado Feb 2021 #21
that is great demtenjeep Feb 2021 #30
I like that! Coordinator-in-Chief. calimary Feb 2021 #15
Merkley is addressing the FBI intelligence faiiure malaise Feb 2021 #16
I suspect you're onto something. calimary Feb 2021 #25
It's a new day DownriverDem Feb 2021 #18
his pardoned goons will be present. mopinko Feb 2021 #19
i don't think so rampartc Feb 2021 #20
We know that he probably didn't plan the details, but he did have the last word. world wide wally Feb 2021 #22
Do you hear yourself? BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #37
At least you'll see most of his staffers who did what they thought he wanted Warpy Feb 2021 #23
They, apparently, have phone records of all Congressional communications randr Feb 2021 #24
That is what SHOULD happen RussBLib Feb 2021 #27
Joshy boy and cruzin teddy demtenjeep Feb 2021 #28
Stone, Rudy, Alex Jones , and Trump. sarcasmo Feb 2021 #29
Did you see, Malaise, the answer to the question I've been asking? Grasswire2 Feb 2021 #32
They came to kill Democrats malaise Feb 2021 #33
Of course. Trump didn't spring Stone out of jail so Stone could get more Nixon tattoos. SunSeeker Feb 2021 #34
Whaaaaaa!??!?!!!? 😧 electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #35
tRump's shit-covered fingerprints are all over this botch job Blue Owl Feb 2021 #39

uponit7771

(90,370 posts)
3. K&R, the DC Cap basically said he couldn't get the NG to move. Now Blunt is trying
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:25 PM
Feb 2021

... to blame escalation on Sund, they're tossing him under the bus no dounbt

Escurumbele

(3,407 posts)
13. Let's stay positive and hope that what you are saying is not true
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:15 PM
Feb 2021

We need to write more positive scripts. If they expect all of us to accept that the guilty will not be charged, then that makes it easier for them.

This is not spiritual kind of thing, but we do need to stop telling the world and the universe that we expect the worst when it comes to republicans and that they never get charged, I think we need to demand from our Democratic leaders that they pursue accountability of those who have wronged the country.

wiggs

(7,820 posts)
8. Agree about the root causes and who was involved. But I believe TPTB, including some dems,
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:55 PM
Feb 2021

don't always expose a lot of the ugly truths about our democracy, role in the world, and our leaders. Seems to me that elected officials and power brokers have been protective in terms of our image of ourselves and our image in the world.

The last four years were ugly beyond belief, and we came very close to upending the US apple cart. I think there are many who don't want everyone to know ALL the facts if it doesn't do them and our reputation any good. There will be a negotiation over what is public and what is not.

ancianita

(36,190 posts)
11. True.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:03 PM
Feb 2021

Yet, the full truth will come out, and those who want it will know, even if the public at large doesn't. No good comes for either party from the public not knowing the whole truth.

Ford_Prefect

(7,927 posts)
17. There are too many avenues for the information to leak out and to rapidly spread. I agree TPTB will
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:44 PM
Feb 2021

try to muffle some of the facts, names and connections. This is so far beyond Watergate, Arms for Hostages, or the 2000 Selection. IMO it resembles the scale and depth behind 9/11 and the subsequent wars.

It will depend upon how much the FBI, DHS, CIA, and NSA want revealed about what Trump was up to and with whom, and exactly when those agencies were aware of it.

It will depend on how willing our President, his staff, and members of Congress are to push this into very uncomfortable areas of discussion. It will also depend on the ability of those with strings to pull in government to hide their complicity, however small or large.

I have doubts about how deep or thorough the investigations will be mostly because it is going to be a mostly Democratic endeavor. The GOP has a lot to answer for, including collusion in the event. They're already trying to deny it happened the way it did, in spite of massive evidence. The way some of them speak you'd think it was a defense prepared well in advance of Jan 6.

wiggs

(7,820 posts)
31. Agree. Several of your examples come to my mind as well. Election integrity, or lack of,
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 04:18 PM
Feb 2021

especially. We can't be a beacon of democracy if we admit election hacking, suppression, gerrymandering, census manipulation, etc.

Oddly, I think dems have protected misbehavior by the gop in many cases...typically being the types to want to govern instead of throwing figurative grenades even when grenade throwing is deserved. We've been willing to 'move on' far too often.

So the job of exposure has come more so from the outside...journalists (often foreign), Lincoln Project, gop ex-officials. But there's so much noise that things get lost.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
36. I bet there are all kinds of events, the total truth of which we don't, and probably never will know
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 06:05 PM
Feb 2021

JFK is the biggest one that also leaps the most readily to mind, of course.

Irish_Dem

(47,599 posts)
38. Yes. The American people only get bits and pieces of the truth about major events.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 06:30 PM
Feb 2021

The rich and powerful are protected.
And the public would be outraged to hear what is really happening.

Best book about JFK's death:

JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters by James Douglass


There are other topics of interest, but won't mention!

malaise

(269,245 posts)
16. Merkley is addressing the FBI intelligence faiiure
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:36 PM
Feb 2021

That this didn't make it to the leadership tells me this was an inside job.

rampartc

(5,452 posts)
20. i don't think so
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:48 PM
Feb 2021

the purpose of these bipartisan investigations is to discover a result that will move the country "forward" with the least problem for the actual perps who not be sworn, will not testify and will be redacted in the final report.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
37. Do you hear yourself?
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 06:08 PM
Feb 2021

"...plan the details." Do the words "plan" and "details" leap to mind as part of his skill set, either separately or apart?

Warpy

(111,410 posts)
23. At least you'll see most of his staffers who did what they thought he wanted
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:27 PM
Feb 2021

and were very eager to please. I think it's going to be difficult to pin it directly on him for a variety of reasons, mostly because he expresses himself so poorly.

I will be delighted if it's mostly his enablers who are jailed or fined heavily. That will isolate him completely. That's what I want to see, it's the worst thing you can do to a narcissist.

randr

(12,418 posts)
24. They, apparently, have phone records of all Congressional communications
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:28 PM
Feb 2021

The list will grow as testimony is presented by all the agencies gathering info.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
32. Did you see, Malaise, the answer to the question I've been asking?
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 05:22 PM
Feb 2021

"Was there gas available?"

And now, today, a qualified witness says yes. She (a veteran) identified military grade CS gas in the air in testimony under oath today.

They BROUGHT IT WITH THEM.

SunSeeker

(51,777 posts)
34. Of course. Trump didn't spring Stone out of jail so Stone could get more Nixon tattoos.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 05:26 PM
Feb 2021

Stone immediately took his bag of dirty tricks and applied it to overturning Biden’s win.

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