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the Co-ordinator in Chief's name will be the same as that of the Insurrectionist in Chief.
His biggest goons will also be named
FM123
(10,054 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... to blame escalation on Sund, they're tossing him under the bus no dounbt
malaise
(269,245 posts)First it was 2.oo and now it is 1.29 or 1.30.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)malaise
(269,245 posts)Johnson is stark raving mad
Sur Zobra
(3,428 posts)one of them will be charged or arrested
Escurumbele
(3,407 posts)We need to write more positive scripts. If they expect all of us to accept that the guilty will not be charged, then that makes it easier for them.
This is not spiritual kind of thing, but we do need to stop telling the world and the universe that we expect the worst when it comes to republicans and that they never get charged, I think we need to demand from our Democratic leaders that they pursue accountability of those who have wronged the country.
wiggs
(7,820 posts)don't always expose a lot of the ugly truths about our democracy, role in the world, and our leaders. Seems to me that elected officials and power brokers have been protective in terms of our image of ourselves and our image in the world.
The last four years were ugly beyond belief, and we came very close to upending the US apple cart. I think there are many who don't want everyone to know ALL the facts if it doesn't do them and our reputation any good. There will be a negotiation over what is public and what is not.
malaise
(269,245 posts)The media also paints a rosy picture for the world.
Yet, the full truth will come out, and those who want it will know, even if the public at large doesn't. No good comes for either party from the public not knowing the whole truth.
Ford_Prefect
(7,927 posts)try to muffle some of the facts, names and connections. This is so far beyond Watergate, Arms for Hostages, or the 2000 Selection. IMO it resembles the scale and depth behind 9/11 and the subsequent wars.
It will depend upon how much the FBI, DHS, CIA, and NSA want revealed about what Trump was up to and with whom, and exactly when those agencies were aware of it.
It will depend on how willing our President, his staff, and members of Congress are to push this into very uncomfortable areas of discussion. It will also depend on the ability of those with strings to pull in government to hide their complicity, however small or large.
I have doubts about how deep or thorough the investigations will be mostly because it is going to be a mostly Democratic endeavor. The GOP has a lot to answer for, including collusion in the event. They're already trying to deny it happened the way it did, in spite of massive evidence. The way some of them speak you'd think it was a defense prepared well in advance of Jan 6.
wiggs
(7,820 posts)especially. We can't be a beacon of democracy if we admit election hacking, suppression, gerrymandering, census manipulation, etc.
Oddly, I think dems have protected misbehavior by the gop in many cases...typically being the types to want to govern instead of throwing figurative grenades even when grenade throwing is deserved. We've been willing to 'move on' far too often.
So the job of exposure has come more so from the outside...journalists (often foreign), Lincoln Project, gop ex-officials. But there's so much noise that things get lost.
Irish_Dem
(47,599 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)JFK is the biggest one that also leaps the most readily to mind, of course.
Irish_Dem
(47,599 posts)The rich and powerful are protected.
And the public would be outraged to hear what is really happening.
Best book about JFK's death:
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters by James Douglass
There are other topics of interest, but won't mention!
liberalla
(9,273 posts)Roc2020
(1,619 posts)Trump. He will be hunted for eternity.
OMGWTF
(3,981 posts)KS Toronado
(17,402 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I like his new career
calimary
(81,557 posts)That works WELL!
malaise
(269,245 posts)That this didn't make it to the leadership tells me this was an inside job.
calimary
(81,557 posts)DownriverDem
(6,232 posts)folks. It's about time too.
mopinko
(70,283 posts)rampartc
(5,452 posts)the purpose of these bipartisan investigations is to discover a result that will move the country "forward" with the least problem for the actual perps who not be sworn, will not testify and will be redacted in the final report.
world wide wally
(21,758 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)"...plan the details." Do the words "plan" and "details" leap to mind as part of his skill set, either separately or apart?
Warpy
(111,410 posts)and were very eager to please. I think it's going to be difficult to pin it directly on him for a variety of reasons, mostly because he expresses himself so poorly.
I will be delighted if it's mostly his enablers who are jailed or fined heavily. That will isolate him completely. That's what I want to see, it's the worst thing you can do to a narcissist.
randr
(12,418 posts)The list will grow as testimony is presented by all the agencies gathering info.
RussBLib
(9,048 posts)There's the rub
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)have got to be with them
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)"Was there gas available?"
And now, today, a qualified witness says yes. She (a veteran) identified military grade CS gas in the air in testimony under oath today.
They BROUGHT IT WITH THEM.
malaise
(269,245 posts)Mike Pence's silence is troubling
SunSeeker
(51,777 posts)Stone immediately took his bag of dirty tricks and applied it to overturning Bidens win.
electric_blue68
(14,979 posts)Blue Owl
(50,539 posts)LOCK HIM UP!