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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIF the parliamentarian tosses the wage increase from reconciliation, will 10 Rethugs support 11/hr?
Zero chance we can get 15/hr if it is a standalone bill, and the Rethugs will filibuster ANY increase (many want to remove ANY minimum wage).
Will 10 Rethugs vote for cloture on 11/hr?
10/hr?
9/hr?
8/hr?
A one cent raise to 7.26?
getagrip_already
(14,950 posts)the gop did it to pass the tax cuts.
We "could" do the same thing, if we had the votes.
Celerity
(43,734 posts)The role of the parliamentary staff is advisory, and the Presiding Officer may overrule the advice of the parliamentarian. In practice this is rare, and the most recent example of a Vice President (as President of the Senate) overruling the parliamentarian was Nelson Rockefeller in 1975.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS20544.pdf
getagrip_already
(14,950 posts)It only takes 51 votes to eliminate the filibuster for a particular bill.
All we need is 50 senators to agree, then craft a bill among themselves.
Interesting point though. I'll have to find where I heard that. I think it was on Kagro, but not positive.
Celerity
(43,734 posts)pass a standalone bill. They have said it over and over and over. It is not going to happen. I want it to happen, you want it to happen, tens of millions want it to happen, but it isn't going to. The system is broken. The US Constitution has multiple long-wave massive systemic flaws that are now (and have been) coming home to roost. Examples are the Senate itself (soon 30% of the population will control 70%of the Senate seats, and that 30% is, on average, far more RW, far more fundie religious, far whiter, far more racist as a percentage, less educated, far more reactionary, etc. than the other 70%), the Electoral College, the ambiguous, nebulous nature of the 2nd Amendment, the ability of the States to corruptly run FEDERAL elections, the lack of foresight about the confluence of hyper-partisanship and corruption, the lack of proportional representation, etc. etc. etc. These are all long-term ticking Constructional time bombs.
Weve Harmed the Senate Enough: Why Joe Manchin Wont Budge on the Filibuster
The moderate senator from West Virginia has a message for his fellow Democrats on muscling through sweeping change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/us/politics/joe-manchin-interview.html
Dave says
(4,643 posts)Celerity
(43,734 posts)fuck the country (as if not 10 Rethugs to vote for cloture, any raise is dead).
Well, fuck.
Only hope is VP Harris to overruling MacDonough, and that (PO of the Senate overriding the parliamentarian) has not happened since 1975.
spooky3
(34,525 posts)it WAS eligible for reconciliation? I don't understand the process.
Celerity
(43,734 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)nowadays.