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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 06:48 AM Feb 2021

Why are some Senators against a minimum wage increase in the Covid bill,

When they've had 4 since 2005 , and the minimum wage hasn't been raised for 14 years. It raises people out of poverty, increases spending, increases tax revenues, lowers the gap between the rich and the poor which has always helped the economy. They've given themselves raises, so what's their excuse for these lower wage earners.

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Why are some Senators against a minimum wage increase in the Covid bill, (Original Post) duforsure Feb 2021 OP
Raises for me, but NOT for thee. ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2021 #1
Because you must own the libs by screwing over your constituents BlueNProud Feb 2021 #2
"conservatives" oppose any minimum wage rampartc Feb 2021 #3
Is there any way to find stats on how many of the working poor were likely Manchin voters at OnDoutside Feb 2021 #4
Why do some minimum-wage voters XanaDUer2 Feb 2021 #5
I read this some time ago so I'm sorry if I'm mutilating it now. Nexus2 Feb 2021 #8
So true and pretty delusionally sad XanaDUer2 Feb 2021 #18
Because it would decrease the income inequality gap. gab13by13 Feb 2021 #6
For All Those Positive Effects You Mentioned In Your OP.... global1 Feb 2021 #7
:) Aren't ALL Republican senators opposing a MW increase? Hortensis Feb 2021 #9
Minimum wage should probably be set on a metro area basis Klaralven Feb 2021 #10
+1, 15 is too small for LA but too large for Mobile Alabama uponit7771 Feb 2021 #11
Nerd Wallet says cost of living is 36% lower in Mobile than LA-Long Beach. Klaralven Feb 2021 #12
Agree entirely with that general kind of approach. $15 is poverty Hortensis Feb 2021 #13
blue states get $15 and red states don't. should make manchin and other repubs happy nt msongs Feb 2021 #19
Because they're evil. n/t area51 Feb 2021 #14
Too high ? How low should it be ? rickford66 Feb 2021 #15
The senators we're talking about here don't see a reason for a minimum wage increase Bettie Feb 2021 #16
Selfishness. nt Hotler Feb 2021 #17
Business owner-donors complain about having to pay DeminPennswoods Feb 2021 #20

rampartc

(5,403 posts)
3. "conservatives" oppose any minimum wage
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 07:38 AM
Feb 2021

and like nothing better than starving workers fighting each other for crumbs.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
4. Is there any way to find stats on how many of the working poor were likely Manchin voters at
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 07:41 AM
Feb 2021

his last election ? His attitude suggests not a lot.

XanaDUer2

(10,643 posts)
5. Why do some minimum-wage voters
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 07:43 AM
Feb 2021

vote for them? Also, they got theirs. Screw the poor is America's republican mantra

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
8. I read this some time ago so I'm sorry if I'm mutilating it now.
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:14 AM
Feb 2021

"The poor in other countries vote like they're poor, the poor in America vote like they're temporarily down on the luck millionaires."

global1

(25,241 posts)
7. For All Those Positive Effects You Mentioned In Your OP....
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:04 AM
Feb 2021

The Repug Senators don't want the Dems to get the credit for doing. It would make the Dems look so good and they'd garner more support from the American People and win more seats in the House and Senate. The Repugs can't have that happen.

With respect to Manchin - I don't know what his problem is. If I was the Dem Trump - I'd primary him. Need to get one of us in his seat.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. :) Aren't ALL Republican senators opposing a MW increase?
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:21 AM
Feb 2021

The noise now is over a Democratic senator, progressive moderate conservative/sometimes liberal Joe Manchin. He does support a MW increase. In 2014 he also voted for one that was defeated.

This time he believes a jump to $15 wouldn't work right for his relatively poor/low-production state. He does believe that -- for his state -- $11/hour over the next 3 years would produce more real benefit for employees than $15 phased in over 5 would.

It's not at all simple, but he has numbers to back his position. The $15-ers and the $0ers also provide numbers. Notably, WV's voters reliably elect Republican governors and Republicans to control legislature, so $11 would be a very large increase over WV's current minimum.

Whatever, the FEDERAL minimum wage sets a national MINIMUM. For most employees anyway. All states can increase it to suit the needs of their people, and of course as their voters choose. Many always have, and new increases of various sizes take effect in half the states this year. Not in red WV, though.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
10. Minimum wage should probably be set on a metro area basis
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:36 AM
Feb 2021

States aren't good proxies for cost of living. There is a roughly two to one difference between Syracuse and New York City or between Bakersfield and San Francisco.

National minimum wage should be set for the small city cost of living, which tends to be 15 to 25% less than large metro suburban and 50 to 100% less than large urban center.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Agree entirely with that general kind of approach. $15 is poverty
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:54 AM
Feb 2021

income for employees living in a lot of places. Not that I'm opposed to a $15 national minimum, but there are usually a number of paths to the same goal, which all have different combinations of costs and benefits.

My minimum wage goal is that all full-time (?29+ hours/wk?) jobs should pay a genuine living wage. Not $15, but a living wage in their locale.

We're an extremely wealthy nation. Our goal is restoration of general, widespread wellbeing and regrowth of the middle classes by all workers sharing in the prosperity they help create. By various much needed changes.

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
15. Too high ? How low should it be ?
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 09:42 AM
Feb 2021

Should it be lowered instead ? How low would satisfy them ? It was zero for many people when America was great. The protests against inequality are minor compared to a civil war. The wealthy don't understand the economics because they don't want to.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
16. The senators we're talking about here don't see a reason for a minimum wage increase
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 09:46 AM
Feb 2021

as they have plenty of money and assume that the poor can just 'tighten their belts' and 'budget better'.

Most of the ones we're talking about here have never had to stretch those last couple of dollars until the next paycheck. Heck, most of them have never had to do their own grocery shopping.

They have certainly never worked a minimum wage job as their only source of income.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
20. Business owner-donors complain about having to pay
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 03:30 PM
Feb 2021

their employees a liveable wage. The example is always of the teenager working before/after school at the local small business and why should some kid get $15/hr. Nevermind that kid's income might just be crucial to the family's household.

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