Hmmmm, NYPD Chief asks why the secret service brought Pence to the capital when they knew

[uponit7771]

... there was going to be a coordinated, well armed and battalion level attack on the capital building that day?

I proffer the secret service didn't know the level of threat either!!

I still see something wrong with DHS and FBI sending out raw data to the capital police the evening before the terrorist attack on the capital building.

That doesn't excuse Sund if yesterdays WP report of Jan 3rd CP threat assessment is true, it looks like Sund lied to congress about the level of threat if the aforementioned is true.

and

There's still no answer from the Sund etc on why summer BLM protest in DC got a whole division of the NG to protect grounds but not Trump Terrorist

[GoCubsGo]

1. Yeah, the whole thing reeks.

When the whole story comes out, it's going to be ugly.

[lagomorph777]

7. IF the whole story comes out.

And if it does, what are we going to do about it? Serious penalties must be meted out to those at the top. Trump, Hawley, McConnell, Greene, Boebert, Stone, Flynn & Flynn, etc.

[OldBaldy1701E]

31. Exactly!

It won't happen, but exactly! If we have not started meting out proper consequences over the past four years, we are not going to. I want it to happen... I want at least a shred of respect for Washington to return to me... but...

[arlyellowdog]

2. Because they considered NLM protestors bad guys

And Trump supporters good guys.

[jaxexpat]

4. I think you're onto something there.

[uponit7771]

6. +1, Sund filibustered that question yesterday responding mostly with CP doesn't

... discriminate.

Looks like that's one thing he didn't want to answer but he'll eventually have to

[Ford_Prefect]

37. Sund and others in the Chain of Command seem to think white faces were less a threat than BLM

protesters.

[tanyev]

3. That is a good question!

[malaise]

5. to do his Constitutional Duty

and preside over the formalities of the Electoral College Vote.

[uponit7771]

9. This is true, we need to know what level of threat The SS thought it would be that day also

... the CP wasn't the only agency that can claim it was flying blind that day.

[malaise]

10. To do anything else would have been to defer to Trump

and not only violate the Constitution but would have set a horrific precedent. If you don't like the Presidential election results, threaten enough violence and stop the process.
The Secret Service did the right thing here.

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. Exactly. Whatever level of security that's needed must be provided...

Inauguration Day provides a good illustration of that. If it takes 25,000 troops then it takes 25,000 troops, but we can not cancel the constitution due to a threat.

[gab13by13]

8. There's a Pentagon general,

who has a lot of splaining to do next week.

[Botany]

11. There's no answer why DC got a whole division of the NG to protect grounds but not Trump terrorists.

Because Trump's acting head of the DoD, Christopher Miller gave a stand down order
to the D.C. National Guard 2 days prior to the Trump Terrorist Mob.

This memorandum responds directly to your January 4, 2021 memorandum regarding the District of Columbia request for District of Columbia National Guard (DCNG) support in response to planned demonstrations from January 5-6, 2021. You are authorized to approve the requested support, subject to my guidance below and subject to consultation with the Attorney General, as required by Executive Order 11485.

Without my subsequent, personal authorization, the DCNG is not authorized the following:

* To be issued weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons, riot control agents or ballistic protection equipment such as helmets and body armor.

* To interact physically with protesters, except when necessary in self-defense or defense of others.

* Prohibited from sharing “equipment with law enforcement agencies” or seeking support from any non-DC National Guard units.

* Forbidden from conducting “searches, seizures, arrests, or other similar direct law enforcement activity.”

* Forbidden from using “Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance assets” or to conduct “Incident, Awareness and Assessment activities.”

* No helicopters or “any other air assets.”

A recently published memo issued by former Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller two days before the January 6 fascist assault on the US Capitol confirms that the leadership of the Pentagon deliberately disarmed National Guard soldiers on the eve of the coup attempt. The memo ensured that soldiers would be unable to protect themselves, much less the Capitol, allowing thousands of pro-Trump neo-Nazis and white supremacists to overwhelm the Capitol Police, who themselves had been deliberately underdeployed.

The memo, dated January 4, 2021, was in response to a request by Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy for D.C. National Guard support. The memo, along with FBI documents that have been reported over the past two weeks, directly contradict claims made by McCarthy after the failed coup that the Pentagon had “no intelligence” showing that the Capitol was the target of a potentially violent attack.

[Mr. Evil]

13. Hard to argue with the obvious but,

republicans always seem to find a way. I sincerely hope Christopher Miller receives a serious grilling from the FBI.

[Eyeball_Kid]

15. This was one of many measures taken by Trumpists to maximize the effect of the insurrection.

They neutralized the NG, and they delayed the orders to call in the NG.

They placed the DC police on the defensive when the requests were made for reinforcements.

They timed the insurrection to coincide with the spreading or thinning out of police resources, thus weakening the defense of the Capitol Building.

IOW, they coordinated their decisions with the White House to maximize the damage to Congress. The goal was to intimidate Congress and to extort from them a decision to de-certify the results of the election and deny the presidency to Biden. They were willing to allow for the kidnapping and execution of government officials to leverage the decertification.

And while all of it was happening, Trump sat in front of a television, watching with apparent glee. This was genuinely exciting to Trump-- watching his plans for the overthrow of the government come true, on live TV, watching his worshippers lay down their lives for him and kill for him. It was all about HIM. They wanted HIM to rule. They invaded the Capitol to demand that Trump remain in control, and were violent in their efforts. Trump made it happen. He paved the way for them to enter the Capitol Building. He weakened the security forces around the Capitol Building, and he delayed and neutralized any reinforcements.

Trump came close to destroying our entire nation and turning it into a dictatorship. Very close indeed. He had lots of help.

A key witness will be Michael Flynn's brother, who works at the Pentagon, and who was conveniently placed at a pivotal point to slow down the NG response and to give rioters enough time to maximize their effect.

This was NOT a spontaneous insurrection. There were intentional tactical measures succeed in the insurrection. This was planned well in advance. And the GOP leadership knew all of it.

[Botany]

23. My posting is from some socialist web site so take it for a grain of salt but the stand down ....

... order is legit. Now why would the acting head of the DoD, Christopher Miller, be writing about a riot
2 days prior to the real riot? Trump removed the head of the DoD right after the election in November
of 2020 and replaced him with Christopher Miller.

My guess is during the 1/6/21 insurrection/riot Trump wanted more violence and bloodshed so he could
declare martial law and stay in power in order to avoid the myriad of criminal and financial problems that
he knew were coming his way.

[CaptainTruth]

30. I still want to know why the Pentagon took "Trump's troops" away from him.

"the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States"

From:
[link:https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/|]

Everyone seems to automatically assume the DC Guard would only have been used to DEFEND the Capital, but if "the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States" I can see there being a fear that Trump might have tried to order the DC Guard to help the insurrectionists ATTACK the Capital. I mean, this was Trump, he was irrational, who knew how far he might go? If you look at the chain of command they are ultimately "Trump's troops," & they could have been armed... imagine what that could have lead to.

I still think there's a possibility some of the adults at the Pentagon realized this & wanted to prevent any chance of it happening, hence the Jan 4 memo. That memo disarmed "Trump's troops" & took them away from him by explicitly taking him out of the chain of command.

[bottomofthehill]

33. There you go using Facts instead of made up Bullshit and speculation

Thank you! Also have to add that during the BLM protests, the National Guard was called up to protect the White House not the Capitol. They were called to the Nations Capitol, but not the Capitol Building.

[llashram]

12. pence would not

have been killed. All kabuki theatre. Now Pelosi and other recognizable Democrats, that is another story. We do not know who planned this, who had the photos, only the Oath Keepers were coordinated enough to draw attention. I think.

[Eyeball_Kid]

17. IMO, killing Pence was one of the options,

in the event that his assassination could serve as a pivotal event, the reaction of which would be for Trump to declare a national emergency and install martial law.

Trump wanted the chaos.

BTW, Pence DID come close to an encounter with rioters who demanded Pence and wanted him apprehended and perhaps hanged. Fortunately for all involved, the SS detail around Pence, who was in possession of a "black box", did not have to directly defend Pence's safety. They would have drawn their weapons and killed dozens of rioters to protect Pence.

[llashram]

24. makes sense

as a plan of the leaders of the January 6, 2021 day of open insurrection against the government and people of the United States of America.

[IronLionZion]

14. Because they support the pro-Trump protestors

Trump administration fired most leadership at Pentagon and DOJ after the November election and replaced with acting cronies who are loyal to Trump. Those are the people who made these terrible decisions rather than qualified experienced people before.

[Butterflylady]

19. That's what replacing most of the leadership in those departments

was all about. Back then there was the possibility that that trump would use the insurrection powers to stay in power. In the end all will come out.

[Eyeball_Kid]

20. We saw it happening. We read and heard of the personnel changes. We knew something was amiss.

We were right.

[IronLionZion]

26. We all saw it. There should be plenty of evidence

It's amazing how brazen it was. Administrations don't normally have mass firings immediately after an election.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Why didn't Trump's SS detail remove him to a secure location when they learned of the violence at

the capitol? And they learned that Pence had been evacuated?

[Dave says]

18. Very good question

[FailureToCommunicate]

21. Great question!

[uponit7771]

22. This too

[bucolic_frolic]

25. Right, a good question.

Looks to me like all enforcement at all levels was underpowered and held in a relaxed, flexible state until whatever someone was trying to accomplish occurred. Fear is a tool. The scaffold. Leaders of Congress, Pence. It all would have stopped fast once martial law was declared?? It does seem kabuki on some levels.

[twodogsbarking]

27. When something smells bad it is because

it is rotten.

[theneworiginal]

28. And why did they let Trump watch TV right across the street, just feet from harms way?

The coordination of this goes right to the top thru many veins of government. Makes Watergate look like child's play. This is long from over.

[bottomofthehill]

32. The Tent Trump was watching from was 2 miles form the Capitol

[wiggs]

34. Why so much attention on timing and content of intelligence report? Aren't leaders

free to use their judgement and common sense? Didn't EVERYONE know there was potential for violence, without hearing from the FBI? Didn't we know what Trump and others had been saying publicly, and who was likely to show up? For a long time? When Trump switched his rally date to January 6 and told the world it was gonna be wild, shouldn't that have been a clue?

Are they trying to spread the blame around to the system rather than focus on individuals?

[LymphocyteLover]

36. yes

"Are they trying to spread the blame around to the system rather than focus on individuals?" -- No doubt! That's what they did for 9/11. Easier to make it confusing and blame the system rather than ask too many uncomfortable questions about Trump and the GOP.

[LymphocyteLover]

35. Really hard to figure out what the truth is here-- too many people lying and covering their asses

[Blue Owl]

38. tRump had his grubby, feculent little fingers in there