Change the Rules of Engagement ....

[ashredux]

Anyone trying to break into the Capital Building, smashing windows, breaking down doors, etc. will be met with LETHAL FORCE.

[bottomofthehill]

1. Be very careful of what you wish for.

Much better use of less than lethal needs to be employed long before we rush off to shoot to kill orders.

[ashredux]

2. They KILLED a police officer....Black Men in America have been killed for much, much less

Once they are smashing windows and crawling inside....they are no longer “protesting “....

[live love laugh]

3. Yes laws not guns. I'd prefer life imprisonments or severe mandatory sentences. nt

[ashredux]

4. They were there to murder....you better start understanding these folks

[bottomofthehill]

7. For the most part Members of the House and Senate

Were protected with out the use of lethal force. When Members were present to quote Mr Swalwell from his Impeachment testimony, “ to protect those in the Lobby, he discharged his weapon” referring to the USCP officer who fired the one round that was discharged that day. That stopped the insurrectionists who were trying to get to the Members of Congress. Use of force is justified to protect human life.
Could you imagine if use Lethal Force was used this summer to protect the US Courthouse in Portland....

I would have been thrilled to see DC Fire roll up on the scene in 1/6 and hose them off the Capitol Steps in a civil rights era hose down, I would have had no problem mass disbursing CS or Pepper Spray instead of using pepper balls I could have cared less if they turned violent dogs on the crowd (although all the capitol dogs are bomb sniffers and not crowd control). I would happily hope they look at what went wrong, but before you go to shoot to kill you have to look at a lot of other options.

[Atticus]

12. Oh, by all means, use tasers and batons and chemicals FIRST, but if that is not enough to prevent a

breach by thugs chanting for the death of the occupants, "lethal force"---which is just a more sanitary way to say "shooting the invaders"---should be used. Period.

Enough hand-wringing. These people mean to "eliminate" us, one way or the other.

[bottomofthehill]

15. And that is exactly what happened

A person who was a direct threat was shot and suddenly “Shit got real”. She was shot because she was a threat to Members of Congress lives. That is what justifies the use of force. You can’t go shooting people to set an example.....

[Atticus]

19. That is NOT "exactly what happened". The escalating use of force I described was to prevent a

breach of the Capitol Building itself; NOT the House or Senate chambers.

I believe that the non-lethal options I mentioned plus others I don't even know about would deter any UNARMED invader who was not a psycho. Armed or psycho invaders should not be permitted inside the Capitol---or the White House, Supreme Court or other government buildings---period.

[bottomofthehill]

20. So by that standard do you believe that people should have been shot in Portland last summer

It is not easy to take a life, i don’t know your background, if you are former military or L/E but there is a heavy burden to bear even if the shoot is justified.
The building was over run because there were not enough bodies and hard perimeter to stop it. The capitol is a historic building in a residential neighborhood. People are resistant to change and to harden the building. A week after people died, there were complaints that kids could not go sledding, really, take down the fence so we can go sledding. And if there is another insurrection start shooting people because we took down the fence so kids could sled. Sounds like a logical trade off.

There are a whole lot of things that need to be done before we start thinking about shooting people.

[Atticus]

21. I'm sorry, but posts that begin with naked "whataboutism" don't merit a

considered response.

[bottomofthehill]

22. And those that end in one.

Armed or psycho invaders should not be permitted inside the Capitol---or the White House, Supreme Court or other government buildings---period.

You don’t just get to shoot them.

[Atticus]

23. "And those that end in one"? Apparently you do not understand the term "whataboutism".

"You don't just get to shoot them"? This sounds like you believe I am anxious to shoot people and that is insulting nonsense! I don't WANT to see people shot, but I am willing to see that happen in defense of our government and our elected leaders.

[Omnipresent]

5. Someone hand Rudy a sword...

Then have a Gladiator charge a him.
This way Rudy can be on the frontline, this time, for “Trial by combat”!

[ashredux]

6. I do not think most people understand the significance of the attack

These folks will kill...they will bomb....they will kidnap officials....they are the same as Al-Qaeda

Just that they are White Folks.....don’t be fooled.

[albacore]

8. Lethal just makes martyrs....

I'm not trying to micromanage the response to Insurrection, but Stingball grenades and Stingball shotshells would have cleared the Rotunda ... fast.
Overwhelming force would have cleared the Capitol building... just the presence of massive force might well have kept the thing from getting out of hand.

Next time... and there will be a next time.... the authorities have to be ready.

[ashredux]

9. No, it saves lives...

A Terrorist is a Terrorist

Call them Al-Qaeda

Call them Oath Keepers

The only difference is their skin color

[ashredux]

10. You know damn well that if the capital was attacked by Black people instead of whites

There would be dead bodies everywhere

[pwb]

11. It is a big mistake to think White supremacists are friendly to police.

They would love to kill a cop and would at the first chance. I am alright with a lethal force notice.

[BlueTsunami2018]

14. Why they didn't start mowing those Nazis down is beyond me.

Talk about a “fearing for my safety” moment. When they were crushing that cop in the door and trying to force their way in, that was the time to start shooting. They didn’t. Because the participants were white. If that was a BLM action, the Capitol would have been littered with corpses.

[Caliman73]

16. Doesn't need to happen like that.

If the powers that be had mobilized the National Guard, and there had been a larger presence of defense around the Capitol, the right wingers would have just shrunk away, or had their impotent little protest around the grounds.

There was an overwhelming advantage for the insurrectionists, which they took advantage of. Had there been several hundred to a thousand Guard troops with full gear, they would have thought twice about trying to breach.

[ashredux]

18. There was help inside, so to speak

[lagomorph777]

17. Yes, please.

But set the lethal zone perimeter far away from the buildings. Don't let the barbarians reach the gate.