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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 10:38 AM Feb 2021

Wisconsin Shuts Down Hunt After 216 Wolves Are Killed In 3 Days


02/26/2021 09:28 pm ET

Hunters blew past a cap of 119 wolves after the Trump administration ditched protections for the animals just last month.

By Mary Papenfuss

Wisconsin officials shut down a planned weeklong wolf hunt in just three days after 216 of the animals were killed — 82% more than the maximum that had been set by the state.

“This season trampled over tribes’ treaty rights, the Wisconsin public, and professional wildlife stewardship,” a spokesperson for the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission told The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

“It will go down as a stark example of mismanagement, and the problems that can be expected when the state Legislature and the courts embrace special interest groups over the public as a whole.”

Megan Nicholson, director of the Wisconsin chapter of the Humane Society of the United States, called the killing spree a “deeply sad and shameful week for Wisconsin.”

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Wisconsin Shuts Down Hunt After 216 Wolves Are Killed In 3 Days (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2021 OP
Did they eat them? Nt USALiberal Feb 2021 #1
That's a joke - right? harumph Feb 2021 #3
I hear that hunters kill only for food BS! Nt USALiberal Feb 2021 #5
I know someone who does. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #13
Fair question. marble falls Feb 2021 #47
Shameful! Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #2
+1 MustLoveBeagles Feb 2021 #9
K&R for visibility of GOP's war against wildlife. bronxiteforever Feb 2021 #4
I don't really think of Wisconsin as Red state though fescuerescue Feb 2021 #27
Where did I write Wisconsin is a red state bronxiteforever Feb 2021 #42
It sucks that Republicans control our lives fescuerescue Feb 2021 #56
I don't disagree at all. But hunting is generally not the problem. At least in the US. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #53
I didn't write that hunting was the problem. The GOP bronxiteforever Feb 2021 #54
I had read they removed wolves from protection. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #58
The GOP will never listen to experts in the field. bronxiteforever Mar 2021 #59
Dear God, what blood thirsty monsters! MoonRiver Feb 2021 #6
Absolutely disgusting nt Tree-Hugger Feb 2021 #7
This breaks my heart. It's like going out and shooting a German shepherd or husky, Tanuki Feb 2021 #8
Michigan just rushed through a resolution to allow hunting of Wolves this season Beringia Feb 2021 #10
in Trump Country MI, many wolves are shot by residents Kaleva Feb 2021 #17
Too bad the wolves couldn't have a Trumper season. roamer65 Feb 2021 #37
lol! Kaleva Feb 2021 #39
The wolves exhibit a lot more intellect and nobility than do their killers. Paladin Feb 2021 #11
absolutely! housecat Feb 2021 #34
Let's hope DNA is collected from the cull SmartVoter22 Feb 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author GreenEyedLefty Feb 2021 #14
Disgusting soothsayer Feb 2021 #15
It's all about killing something with these folks. If they can't kill Democrats and liberals Hotler Feb 2021 #16
Exactly! mountain grammy Feb 2021 #30
Now they will complain because there are too many leftyladyfrommo Feb 2021 #18
Wolves are a vital part of the ecosystem Major Nikon Feb 2021 #22
This was proven when wolves were re-established in Yellow Stone zeusdogmom Feb 2021 #48
The biggest reason the rubes don't want the wolves is competition Major Nikon Feb 2021 #49
Horrible. Baitball Blogger Feb 2021 #19
DU'ers may remember Trump was fast to remove so many species from the endangered lists. Judi Lynn Feb 2021 #20
This is what bothers me DenaliDemocrat Feb 2021 #41
+100 bronxiteforever Feb 2021 #44
Ranchers are con artists. Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #21
Most ranchers don't lie about that, at least in my experience. Elessar Zappa Feb 2021 #29
Oh no. yardwork Feb 2021 #23
I stepped outside this morning, I live in the middle of nowhere, which I love, fwvinson Feb 2021 #24
indeed housecat Feb 2021 #35
Scum Disaffected Feb 2021 #25
Sadly seta1950 Feb 2021 #26
Why would Wisconsin let this happen? fescuerescue Feb 2021 #28
Wisconsin: hunting culture Nasruddin Feb 2021 #43
Send a letter to your Reps and Sens jukinbone Feb 2021 #31
Wouldn't bother me a bit if bluestarone Feb 2021 #32
Sadness. We (humans in charge of such things) are truly ignorant. c-rational Feb 2021 #33
May Artemis the Hunter deal with these killers appropriately. niyad Feb 2021 #36
Disgusting. Elessar Zappa Feb 2021 #38
Blood thirsty, violent lunatics, with their right to keep arms wendyb-NC Feb 2021 #40
Our Wisconsin Republicans demanded the hunt take place Ziggysmom Feb 2021 #45
Wisconsin Republican/Nazi's are upset about the coup, so they kill things. johnthewoodworker Feb 2021 #46
Not only are 216 dead, a good number probably suffered a great deal, too. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #50
Did Sarah Palin move to Wisconsin or something? Blue Owl Feb 2021 #51
Gee, who could have seen that coming? misanthrope Feb 2021 #52
Absolutely revolting and enraging. I am an Neema Feb 2021 #55
This is why I hate hunting. Initech Feb 2021 #57
I don't mind hunting if it's for over populated animals Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #60
Disgusting. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #61

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
4. K&R for visibility of GOP's war against wildlife.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 10:52 AM
Feb 2021

“Let’s face it. Nature is losing. The wild places of the world are disappearing, and will continue to disappear, until they are no more. I used to think I’d be dead long before it was all gone, but I don’t think that anymore.

According to the biennial report, Living Planet Report 2020 published by the World Wildlife Fund and the Zoological Society of London (ZSL), global populations of mammals, birds, fish, amphibians and reptiles fell by two-thirds (68%) between 1970 and 2016.

Just two years ago, that number was only 60%. In some areas, like the Western Hemisphere’s tropics, they have declined by 94%...”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2020/09/18/nature-dying-by-a-thousand-cuts/?sh=748687ec4eb5

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
27. I don't really think of Wisconsin as Red state though
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:29 PM
Feb 2021

Sure probably take a look at the state government we are critisizing.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
42. Where did I write Wisconsin is a red state
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:02 PM
Feb 2021

Oh that’s right-I didn’t.
Sure probably take a look at how this decision was made.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
53. I don't disagree at all. But hunting is generally not the problem. At least in the US.
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 02:45 AM
Feb 2021

It’s habit destruction and climate change. In many area of the US habitat is better than 80 years ago. When my dad was born in the 30’s there were no whitetail deer in his part of the south due to deforestation. But now people can kill up to 7 a year and they are still numerous.

That said as a hunter, I can’t see hunting a generally endangered animal I can’t even eat. Seems like a sin.

I hunt deer and generally take 1-3 a year but eat the whole animal. Liver and heart included. Seems the least I can do to respect its life.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
54. I didn't write that hunting was the problem. The GOP
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 09:26 AM
Feb 2021

Is the problem. The article referenced the Trump Administration’s last minute change on the protection of the wolf.


Wolves lost protections in the waning days of the Trump administration against the objections of wildlife associations and environmental organizations. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service delisted gray wolves as endangered on Jan. 4, eliminating protections under the federal Endangered Species Act.

Experts warn that the wolf population has not yet recovered and a hunt like this could put the animals back on the road to extinction. Native American tribes, some of whom revere the wolf as a sacred animal, are also opposed to the hunt.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wisconsin-wolf-hunt_n_60330622c5b66da5dba26725

The Trumplican party hates wildlife. The attack on migratory birds was another last minute move by that administration.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
58. I had read they removed wolves from protection.
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 04:31 PM
Feb 2021

Which is crazy because they are not fully recovered.

Amazing how much pull cattle ranchers seem to have. And the irony is that many graze their cattle on government land for almost nothing.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
59. The GOP will never listen to experts in the field.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:23 AM
Mar 2021

It’s true in healthcare, wildlife management, etc.

Good hunters with the ethics like you are essential for species management and your fees help fund wildlife protections.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
8. This breaks my heart. It's like going out and shooting a German shepherd or husky,
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:25 AM
Feb 2021

just because Donald Trump said you can.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
10. Michigan just rushed through a resolution to allow hunting of Wolves this season
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:35 AM
Feb 2021

Many wolf supporters wanted Michigan DNR to do another updated review of wolf status in Michigan and the hunters couldn't wait and legislature rushed through SR 15 to open season immediately to hunt wolves. Even the DNR wanted to wait and do a thorough review first.




A resolution to urge the Natural Resources Commission to authorize, and the Department of Natural Resources to organize, wolf hunting and trapping as part of the state's wolf management efforts beginning in 2021.


http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2021-SR-0015

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
11. The wolves exhibit a lot more intellect and nobility than do their killers.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:38 AM
Feb 2021

Leave the predators alone---unlike their killers, the predators are fulfilling a useful function.

SmartVoter22

(639 posts)
12. Let's hope DNA is collected from the cull
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:40 AM
Feb 2021

The University of WIsconsin should collect DNA from the culled wolves, for free and start or improve on the genetic data that we collect from our furry co-habitants. It's a good start to address long-term health issues with our wolves and other speices.

It could also help a national breeding program to avoid inbred 'pet' markets, where a wealthy must have a wolf.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Hotler

(11,421 posts)
16. It's all about killing something with these folks. If they can't kill Democrats and liberals
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:47 AM
Feb 2021

might as well go after something else.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
22. Wolves are a vital part of the ecosystem
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:16 PM
Feb 2021

Not only do they keep wild ruminant populations in check, they keep them from loitering near streams and rivers which destroys vital vegetation. Even if you have a wildlife management program which accomplishes the first of those things through hunts it won't accomplish the second.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
49. The biggest reason the rubes don't want the wolves is competition
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:41 PM
Feb 2021

Wolves are very efficient at culling wild ruminants, which makes hunting less necessary. The wolves also go after the weak and diseased animals first which is what you want vs people hunters who go after the strongest.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
20. DU'ers may remember Trump was fast to remove so many species from the endangered lists.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:02 PM
Feb 2021

From the article:

But the number was reduced to 119 after the Ojibwe claimed their treaty rights to 81 of the animals. The Ojibwe consider the animals sacred and opposed the hunt. “To many Ojibwe communities, hunting in late February, a time when fur quality is poor and wolves are in their breeding season, is regarded as especially wasteful and disrespectful,” the Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission, which represents 11 Ojibwe tribes in the Midwest, said in a statement.

. . .

Hunter Nation rushed to sue for the hunting and trapping season after wolves’ protections were eliminated when the Trump administration delisted the animals from the Endangered Species Act in January, just weeks before Donald Trump left office. GOP lawmakers backed the rush because they feared the Biden administration would reestablish protections for wolves.

The hunt began Monday and was supposed to run through Sunday. But the state Department of Natural Resources halted it on Wednesday afternoon when the body count skyrocketed. Hunters and trappers were given a 24-hour “grace period” allowing them to remain in the field until Thursday afternoon.

Officials said nearly 90% of the hunters used dogs to chase down the animals, and that fresh snow helped them track the wolves. Since the hunt occurred during breeding season, pregnant females were almost certainly among the dead. Forty-six percent of the animals killed were female, the Journal Sentinel reported.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,476 posts)
41. This is what bothers me
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:57 PM
Feb 2021

As an Alaskan, we know that wolves will literally eat themselves out of home, crash ingulate populations, then starve themselves, then start it all over again. The classic predator/prey boom and bust cycle.

We artificially manage wildlife populations to avoid this, so proper management is required if you don’t want these cycles but rather a steady state balance. Taking of both prey and predators is required to do this. I don’t have a big problem with this if done as part of biological management. I am not emotionally vested an individual animal, but the population as a whole

I also expect any predators taken to have a purpose with their carcass. In this case, the pelts are unusable and the wolves are prepping to raise their Cubs. This is NOT management by science.

Travesty.

Johnny2X2X

(19,061 posts)
21. Ranchers are con artists.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:06 PM
Feb 2021

Wolves rarely take livestock and when they do it’s usually the sick or dying. Or they scavenge off already dead animals.

Ranchers get compensated by the government if wolves kills their livestock, so they have friendly livestock officers who will call just about anything a wolf killing. An animal dies of sickness or an injury and gets scavenged in overnight by any critters in the area and they call it a wolf kill.

The wolves are no threat to humans. A very minimal threat to livestock. And they kill and eat an incredible amount of deer who are a very destructive problem for farmers. They’re not letting experts manage them, they’re letting blood thirsty hunters and lying ranchers dictate all of this. It’s a shame.

Elessar Zappa

(13,979 posts)
29. Most ranchers don't lie about that, at least in my experience.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:33 PM
Feb 2021

It is true that ranchers hate wolves and that wolves very rarely kill livestock but the ones I know wouldn’t scam the government by claiming livestock that died from other causes were killed by wolves. I’m sure some do but not the majority.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
24. I stepped outside this morning, I live in the middle of nowhere, which I love,
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:26 PM
Feb 2021

and heard a couple of wolves howling. What a beautiful sound.

seta1950

(932 posts)
26. Sadly
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:29 PM
Feb 2021

We humans are the worst animals, we are bad for the planet and it’s inhabitants to say the least.
I LOVE WOLVES 😢

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
28. Why would Wisconsin let this happen?
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:31 PM
Feb 2021

It's a BLUE state.

And Trump isn't President anymore.

Someone in Wisconsin government really messed up.

Nasruddin

(752 posts)
43. Wisconsin: hunting culture
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:09 PM
Feb 2021

Hunting is a huge part of Wisconsin culture. Many fathers raise their sons to be hunters. A lot of money goes into prepping for hunting. I think some schools also take off time for hunting weeks or long weekends.

It's also big in neighboring states but Wisconsin may be the peak.

They have distorted their ecosystem to promote deer. It's probably unbelievable to most of you but when you drive along the roads (interstates, state highways, backroads) the carnage of dead deer along the roads is astounding. It's also dangerous to drive at night - wandering deer are everywhere. Of course promoting deer means promoting wolves (& bears, but there are relatively few of those). However wolves are a traditional hunters' target too.

I wouldn't get in front of this hunting culture if you want to keep Wisconsin blue. Control and licensing is one thing (not a problem there) but hunting's a part of the local scene.

jukinbone

(1 post)
31. Send a letter to your Reps and Sens
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:41 PM
Feb 2021

Hi Everyone,

Been a member since forever but this is my first post because this is a subject that goes straight to my soul. I live in Colorado and composed a note to Joe N., Michael B. and John H. I know folks are here from all over but I composed a Colorado-borne email below. Feel free to tweak and use.

Dear Senator Bennet,

On Nov. 6, 2020, Coloradoans voted to reintroduce wolves in Colorado. I'm writing you because wolves need to be protected at the federal level before this can be successful. Unfortunately, the wolves don't know where the state boundaries are. If a wolf steps over the state line into Wyoming, it's considered vermin and can be shot. This year, Wisconsin's wolf hunt resulted in 216 being killed which is 82% over their own self-imposed quota of 119. The wolves were removed from protection under the Endangered Species Act on January 4, 2021. Please do what you can to reinstate wolves for protection under the Federal Endangered Species Act.

Thank you.

bluestarone

(16,926 posts)
32. Wouldn't bother me a bit if
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:45 PM
Feb 2021

The wolves they were shooting were the true wolves in the house and senate. (Sorry but i hate RETHUGS and QTHUGS)

wendyb-NC

(3,325 posts)
40. Blood thirsty, violent lunatics, with their right to keep arms
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:56 PM
Feb 2021

This is sad, sordid, willful, destruction of wolves, who pose no threat. I am so heart broken, by this mindless killing spree.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
50. Not only are 216 dead, a good number probably suffered a great deal, too.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:02 PM
Feb 2021

Barbaric and unnecessary slaughter.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
55. Absolutely revolting and enraging. I am an
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:58 AM
Feb 2021

omnivore so I do not blame those who hunt for food (unless they are hunting endangered species), but I will never, ever, ever understand on any level how one could derive an ounce of pleasure from killing another living being just for the fun of it.

When I see an animal in the wild I get so excited. I want to watch it, take photos, see it forage or interact with it’s young, etc. I have never once thought “oh it would be cool to shoot it and put it on my wall.”

God this makes me sick to my stomach and more ashamed of my species than ever.

Elessar Zappa

(13,979 posts)
60. I don't mind hunting if it's for over populated animals
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:31 AM
Mar 2021

and that the hunters eat or donate their kill. Trophy hunting is just disgusting.

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