Is the CPAC stage really a Nazi SS patch design?

[TheBlackAdder]

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Hami
@hami
Having worked with Norse and Elder Futhark iconography for years, I’m quite alert to the glyph shapes and their associations in the modern world and history.

So, why is the #CPAC2021 stage an Odal rune, and specifically one with serifs (or wings) that was used by the SS?

Resistance Rages On
@ResistanceRages
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@hami
Oh look, CPAC using symbols from the SS.

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[SlogginThroughIt]

1. Maybe. But there are better examples of GQP being fascist nazis.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

5. It's the titillating decoder ring, secret society stuff the cult loves.

[Yavin4]

34. "But there are better examples of GQP being fascist nazis."

Like everything that they say and do. Don't need to be an iconography expert.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

2. trump supporters are all Nazis and right wing nut cases

Link to tweet

[speak easy]

9. Coincidence; Pure coincidence :sarcasm:

America’s white supremacists ban swastika ...

THEY burn crosses, worship the swastika and associate with figures in white hoods, but don’t tell America’s predominant neo-Nazi party it’s racist. “We are not racist, and I do not like that term,” Jeff Schoep tells news.com.au.

The commander of the National Socialist Movement — described as the party “for every patriotic white American” — has a brand new reason to protest the point.

His party is about to do something it has never done. It is making a run at the mainstream, and it is even banning the swastika. Gone. Banished from uniforms that haven’t changed since the 1960s, well before the commander joined the ranks as a 19-year-old. In a statement on the NSM website earlier this month, Mr Schoep called it a “slight re-branding”.

... nobody wants a neo-Nazi in the halls of parliament. That’s a step too far, according to Mr Schoep. The Odal rune, a less-well-known Nazi Germany symbol, will take the place of the swastika on all official uniforms and banners.

Mr Schoep says it’s a gentler approach to preaching the same messages.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/americas-white-supremacists-ban-swastika-in-bold-attempt-to-go-mainstream/news-story/53f68100ba52a1e33b13cf25b794d028

[Harker]

3. Yes.

For me, the red triangle on the floor really drives home the intentionality of it.

It was also symbolic of the racial purity branch of the Nazi state.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. Wow! Two symbols. This was definitely designed into the stage.

[Harker]

8. I meant that the triangle defines the runic symbol

rather than was a symbol in itself.

Poorly worded by me.

[Gore1FL]

21. Interestingly the red triangle is, itself, a symbol too.

Nazis used the red triangle to mark political prisoners and people who rescued Jews. The Trump campaign used it in ads in 2020.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/880377872/facebook-removes-trump-political-ads-with-nazi-symbol-campaign-calls-it-an-emoji

Whether it was intentional, or not, I don't know. It is clear the far right of this country seems to be into this sort of iconography, so it's plausible that it's there on purpose.

[Harker]

33. I had completely forgotten about that.

I appreciate your mentioning it.

Attributing the worst motive in this case feels pretty safe.

[peggysue2]

4. These people know exactly what they're doing

It's no mistake or coincidence that this Nazi and other white nationalist symbols and signs are being used.

For the blissfully ignorant, there will be excuses and denial.

For the rest of us? We can't say we weren't warned.

This movement is dangerous and evil.

[TheBlackAdder]

26. Even the big square is larger than the two legs, like the patch. That hole risks people falling down

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It's not a practical stage for those who like to wander while speaking.

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[demigoddess]

27. they are people trying to set up a dictatorship. full stop.

and their base is Nazis

[FuzzyRabbit]

36. They are indeed trying to establish a dictatorship.

They already have many of the Republican congressmen (and women) working toward this goal. Why else would they refuse to condemn the Jan 6 insurrection?

[Evolve Dammit]

38. sure as hell looks that way. White supremecy has been resurrected, encouraged and the flame fanned.

[Cracklin Charlie]

7. Yes.

One of many they utilize.

Needs more attention.

[Arazi]

10. Yes, no question. The Republican party is now white supremacist hate group

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. They aren't hiding anything anymore. It's been right there in our faces, but this is

just smearing our faces in it. The Party of Fascism.

[mcar]

12. This is not accidental

[Blue Owl]

13. Nazi scum

[Grasswire2]

14. remember the stage motif at Mt. Rushmore?

Totally sieg heil.

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[Mr.Bill]

15. The only thing that bothers me is that photo

of the German soldier is the only example of that symbol I've ever seen on a Nazi uniform. I've studied very much about Nazis in WWII and seen thousands of photos and never seen that symbol. It also looks photoshopped to me, although I am no expert in that area. The symbol itself and the border around the patch is brighter than the patch on the other collar. I could be wrong, and I'm not disputing that it is an actual rune.

Edit: A Google search for Nazi runes does show that it was used by the Nazis in WWII. But it also shows the Peace symbol from the 60s, without the circle was the Nazi rune for death. So, who knows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel

[AZSkiffyGeek]

17. I've definitely seen the rune in white supremacist places

But I've always just assumed it was some appropriated Viking imagery, kinda like that Q Shaman dipshit.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. I did just find this - so an SS unit used it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_SS_Volunteer_Mountain_Division_Prinz_Eugen

[Mr.Bill]

20. Yes, see my edited post. n/t

[leighbythesea2]

19. Pixel size

And direction. If could get an image to look closer at, might tell. Not saying the symbol isn't a rune. But i see what you are saying too, good to check things out.

[wnylib]

24. You might not have seen it before

before because of its limited use by ethnic Germans in countries outside of Germany who joined the SS as a separate division.

You can find a Wkipedia article on it if you use the search words "odal rune, nazi." Scroll down to the modern usage section where its use by Nazis is explained, along with its use by modern neo Nazis.

ON EDIT: I see that someone else has posted a Wikipedia link.

[Mr.Bill]

40. I did find it on Wikipedia.

See my edited post.

[JHB]

25. The proportions are wrong for the peace symbol

In the peace symbol, the "toes" radiate downward from the center and all spokes are of equal length:


In the Tod rune, they branch out about 3/4 down the length of the central stroke, and consequently are proportionately shorter when the reach the "ground."

They're not the same, and that can be important when you're dealing with basic geometric shapes.

[Mr.Bill]

41. You are correct. Not exact but similar. n/t

[LanternWaste]

43. Not similar by any stretch.

[paleotn]

30. Oh, please. Upside down and without the circle is totally not a peace symbol.

But, symbols or no symbols, they're all fascist trash by any reasonable definition.

[Mr.Bill]

42. I didn't mention anything about upside down. n/t

[Salviati]

16. I mean, it is, the only question is was it intentional.

and if it was an accident, then the next question is why is it that these "accidental" Nazi references continually happen to the republican party?

[Rural_Progressive]

35. Here's my read on that

If it was an accident the very first day when people pointed out the resemblance there would have been carpenters building inserts that would have turned the stage into a more conventional appearance.

Then there's the fact that none of the usual white supremacist, neo-Nazi aholes are denying the accusations of this being a representation of the Odal Rune.

T***p has stripped the camouflage off the republican party. By supporting him and his run to become the strong man dictator they have longed for these many years they can no longer hide behind their facade of fiscally responsible, socially conservative, personal responsibility BS. We are now seeing them for what they have always stood and longed for and it ain't pretty.

[Jilly_in_VA]

22. Looks like it to me

some neighbors flew a flag with that design for awhile. It mysteriously disappeared and now they're back to the Confederate battle flag. I have an insane desire to sneak up on it with a blowtorch some night......

[joe_stampingbull]

23. Find out who designed the stage

Does anyone know? And who approved it?

[paleotn]

28. That's not an accident or a coincidence.

[ancianita]

29. Some reporter should ask Matt Sclapp, head of the ACU, who designed, approved and paid for it.

Then the reporters should ask the same questions to Ric Grenell, Mike Pompeo, Devin Nunes, Lauren Boebert, Kristi Noem and McCarthy, who are all on today's speaking schedule.

We mustn't forget that the Republicans, trumpcult and FMF45 are in full campaign mode. Considering how the ACU presents itself to the public, this looks like fodder for our side -- that at worst they've become "adjacent" to alt-right neonazi hate groups, and at best, forgotten their conservative roots -- over the entire next two years of their campaign to take back their branches of government.

This photo needs to hit mainstream media.

[TxGuitar]

31. who cares if it is intentional or not?

Say that it is and make them own it or deny it. what would they do to Dems if the roles were reversed?

[Rural_Progressive]

37. Looks like they're owning it cause they sure aren't denying it

[IronLionZion]

32. It's too odd of a stage design to be an accident

and it seems like a risky choice since they can fall off while walking

[LetMyPeopleVote]

39. LOL

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

44. trump supporters are all Nazis and right wing nut cases

Link to tweet

[druidity33]

45. I refer you to this thread at dKos...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/2/26/2018354/-Why-the-Odal-Othala-Rune-Used-By-CPAC-is-100-Explicitly-a-Nazi-Symbol?utm_campaign=trending

"As I write this, historians are publishing more information on Twitter confirming the uniquely Nazi form of the rune. I have conversed with two authors who publish peer-reviewed books and papers on early Anglo-Saxon art, symbols and weapons. Neither of them is comfortable saying definitively that NOBODY but the Nazis used the Odal with “branches” or serifs — but both agree there is NO early Medieval/Iron Age usage of that symbol."

seems cut and dried.

[Nululu]

46. Yes. Announcing their change to Naziism

[EndlessWire]

47. It looks deliberate to me.

Plus, they chose to have a golden statue of Trump. They are just not hiding it anymore.