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JDC

(10,127 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:34 PM Feb 2021

Pompeii: Archaeologists unveil ceremonial chariot discovery

Archaeologists in Italy have unveiled a ceremonial chariot they discovered near the ancient Roman city of Pompeii.

The four-wheeled carriage was found near a stable where three horses were uncovered back in 2018 .

Experts believe it was likely used in festivities and parades, with the find described as "exceptional" and "in an excellent state of preservation".





More at link:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56222992





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jobendorfer

(508 posts)
14. The archaelogical sites around the Bay of Naples are well guarded *now*
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 07:25 PM
Feb 2021

But Pompeii in particular was essentially unguarded for centuries.

Pompeii was buried under ash from the eruption. The ash layer, while deep, is easy to dig. In centuries past, many looters excavated and removed material from the site. The fact that Pompeii was buried under ash also explains the current condition of the site: most of the buildings are heavily damaged, having collapsed under the weight of that ash. The intact buildings there are far and few between, and I suspect that some of the intact buildings have been restored, at least to some extent. Most of the buildings that you will see there have only the foundations and may be a vertical foot or two of brick.

Herculaneum fared better from the looters, because it was buried under a scorching hot pyroclastic mud flow, which hardened into a substance called tufa. You can't dig it: you have to grind it or chip it. It's slow work: excavations at Herculaneum began in the 18th century, maybe a bit earlier, and after 300 years of work, only twenty percent of the city has been uncovered. Because Herculaneum was buried from the ground level *up*, the buildings have survived intact; mosaics and frescoes are still in situ and can be seen there today. Once under the mudflow, Herculaneum was invisible and over the centuries knowledge of its location was lost. It was rediscovered a few hundred years ago when a nobleman had a well shaft excavated, which had the good luck to bottom out in what was a small amphitheater.

Herculaneum was old money. Pompeii was new money. If I only had time to see one site, I'd go to Herculaneum. It's eerie, walking around in a town so well preserved that you expect to come around a corner and see Romans. I remember standing in the excavation at what used to be the beachfront (the pyroclastic flow protruded a half mile or so into the sea, so that the former "beachfront" of Herculaneum is now hundreds of yards inland). So there you are, at 79CE street level. You look up about 60 or 70 feet to see the street level and buildings of modern Naples. Looming behind those buildings is Mount Vesuvius, and you realize that if Vesuvius erupts without warning, the results will be catastrophic.

On the other hand, just north of Pompeii, and accessible from the site, is the Villa of the Mysteries. This villa is decorated with a series of frescoes that are well worth seeing, as they depict an initiation into a mystery cult of Dionysus. I can't remember if this is Orphic or not -- it's been a long time. So if you do go to Pompeii, don't miss the Villa of the Mysteries. Then go find somewhere to have a glass of wine ... io evohe.

J.

CaptainTruth

(6,589 posts)
5. My wife wanted to be an archeologist but her grandmother...
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:30 PM
Feb 2021

...discoutaged it & told her "everything has already been found."

We say that line & laugh every time something like this is discovered.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
7. How sad
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 06:07 PM
Feb 2021

I've loved archeology since I was a kid. I am amazed at how much is discovered all the time. Archeologists have so many technological resources today that were not available years ago. It is really exciting.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
8. An interesting profession, to be sure.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 06:07 PM
Feb 2021

But in today's world, I have a niece who has a degree in Early Human Development, a branch of archeology. She's a receptionist in a nail salon.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
13. The head of IBM opined that the worldwide demand for computers might be around 4.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 07:04 PM
Feb 2021

People make bad predictions all the time.

catbyte

(34,376 posts)
6. I went to Italy in 1973 when I was in high school. It was extraordinary.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:51 PM
Feb 2021

I was in Rome, Naples, and Sorrento, with a day trip to Pompeii. The ash casts in the museum were heartbreaking--I'll never forget seeing one of a child and one of a dog wearing a collar that I will never forget. The vivid colors in one of the villas I toured were just incredible.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
12. I was with a group touring in Northern Italy and someone wanted to go to Turin to see the shroud.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 07:00 PM
Feb 2021

It was motor city! Italy's Detroit and some American car company had a plant there making the
car we called the Ford Torino.

Torino is the name of the city we know as Turin.

Karadeniz

(22,513 posts)
9. Sounds like there should be a distinction between a chariot and a carriage. The chariots depicted
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 06:33 PM
Feb 2021

In Ben Hur in the circus weren't what was used for racing. Racers looked very much like modern trotting sulkeys, I think they're called. The Roman ones were wicker with no protection to speak of for the driver. The driver was sort of lashed to the horses, so if his flimsy wicker basket turned over, he was in a really bad threat of being dragged by the horses around the track. Not a problem! The driver always carried a sharp, easily accessible knife. With quick thinking, he would notice that he was capsizing, whip out his knife and cut the strap tying him to the horses. Voila! Free from being dragged. But...
I've never read an account of how a stationary basket and human was kept from being stampeded by all the horses in back of him!

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
16. I remember the vendors outside the entrance to Pompeii.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 07:28 PM
Feb 2021

I remember the vendors outside the entrance to Pompeii. They had small toys and such that had some dirt on them as if they had just been dug up. They wouldn't tell you that they were just dug up but they would let you assume so.

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