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Most confederate soldiers in the civil war did not personally own slaves. Indeed, the existence of slavery helped to depress the wages of poor whites in the pre-Civil War South. With low wages and few schools, southern whites suffered a much lower land ownership rate and a far lower literacy rate than northern whites. So, why did poor Southern whites support secession from the United States prior to the civil war?
As the article below and quoted source material illustrates, racism not only oppresses the objects of racism, but it oppresses working class whites as well. With the funding and proliferation of racist, right wing media outlets like OANN, Newsmax and Fox News, we continue to see the use of racism as the ultimate con job on the working class.
Trump represents a modern example of this con job, a rich white male who literally lives in a country club whose biggest accomplishment is a tax cut to folks likes himself, yet he draws much of his support from working class whites whose benefits and health care he has repeatedly sought to cut.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/why-non-slaveholding-southerners-fought
The short answer, of course, is Abraham Lincolns election as president of the United States. What concerned Southerners most about Lincolns election was his opposition to the expansion of slavery into the territories; Southern politicians were clear about that. If new states could not be slave states, went the argument, then it was only a matter of time before the Souths clout in Congress would fade, abolitionists would be ascendant, and the Souths peculiar institution the right to own human beings as property would be in peril.
It is easy to understand why slave owners would be concerned about the threat, real or imagined, that Lincoln posed to slavery. But what about those Southerners who did not own slaves? Why would they risk their livelihoods by leaving the United States and pledging allegiance to a new nation grounded in the proposition that all men are not created equal, a nation established to preserve a type of property that they did not own?
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Non-slaveholders, a plantation owner predicted, were also in danger. It will be to the non-slaveholder, equally with the largest slaveholder, the obliteration of caste and the deprivation of important privileges, he cautioned. The color of the white man is now, in the South, a title of nobility in his relations as to the negro, he reminded his readers. In the Southern slaveholding States, where menial and degrading offices are turned over to be per formed exclusively by the Negro slave, the status and color of the black race becomes the badge of inferiority, and the poorest non-slaveholder may rejoice with the richest of his brethren of the white race, in the distinction of his color. He may be poor, it is true; but there is no point upon which he is so justly proud and sensitive as his privilege of caste; and there is nothing which he would resent with more fierce indignation than the attempt of the Abolitionist to emancipate the slaves and elevate the Negroes to an equality with himself and his family.
Ocelot II
(115,610 posts)"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
TomCADem
(17,382 posts)...noting how racism was used to distract poor whites from their oppression by the rich. In other words, by oppressing minorities, they could feel better about their situation even thought their own economic situation may have deteriorated:
Xolodno
(6,384 posts)...they were slaves to poverty wages. It never did occur to them that the wealthy weren't just trying to keep anyone who was of color down, but them as well.
JI7
(89,241 posts)they loved anything.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)patricia92243
(12,592 posts)TomCADem
(17,382 posts)At the outset, the South had more volunteers than it could arm and equip, forcing the army to turn away some 200,000 volunteers initially. The draft only came later with less than a fifth of the confederate army consisting of draftees.
ananda
(28,837 posts)I have a direct ancestor who fought for the Confederacy
in the Civil war, probably in Texas by then though might
have been in Tennessee.
My aunt found slave ownership papers for our farming
ancestor in Tennessee, about two or three slaves I
think.
It was on my dad's side of the family. All of my relatives
on his side of the family are very racist, and some of them
are bible thumpers too. The ones with money are so
Republican it's unreal, considering I used to think they were
the good, halfway sane ones... though they were always
very racist.
LeftInTX
(25,144 posts)When I asked if they owned slaves, she said, "They were too poor"...
Well, fast forward to 2018, I find all these relatives via DNA and do family trees. They all owned slaves...The poor part came after the Civil War!
ananda
(28,837 posts)My slave owning ancestors in Tennessee were
poor farmers.
Fast forward to the 1920's and 30's when my
grandparents farmed in Texas. They were dirt
poor and still had to hire labor to help them
with crops.
My grandfather went bust in the Great Depression
because he had gone to the panhandle to get rich
on wheat... the dust got him and he had to move
back to his original farm in Hill County.
They were always rather poor but managed to get
by because of the New Deal. Roosevelt was god
to them.
Fast forward to the 70's and 80's and they all became
rightwing Reeps because of Civil Rights and white
privilege... and still are. No words.
That's about it.
LeftInTX
(25,144 posts)I think the family was actually well off because of various other documents I found.
However, my great grandfather left North Carolina. He eventually ended up in Georgia, where he got married. He died in Florida in 1924. His profession on the death certificate: Orange grove worker
mitch96
(13,871 posts)" to the expansion of slavery into the territories"
I've read that this was because of the farming practice of cotton, their money crop. The use of fertilizer was not as prevelant in the 1850's-'60s. So when the soil could not produce a good yield, the plantation owner would acquire more fertile land to grow more cotton and make more money. If there was no expansion into the new territories with slave labor their INCOME would go down b/c the cotton yield would go down in the poor soil they had.
As usual it's all about aquiring money and power... And the poor whites fought and died so the rich plantation owners could make more money. I've also read if you had "x" amount of slaves you did not have to fight.. Now that's the trick, Have someone fight and die so you can make more money.......jeeze.....
YMMV
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moondust
(19,961 posts)is still very much with us.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)But it hardly even touches the predatory nature of slavery.
keithbvadu2
(36,669 posts)Trump, a NY Yankee, calls Sessions a 'dumb southerner' and they love him down there.
After all, Trump 'tells it like it is'.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Some rubes were calling in asking why poor, nonslave owners would fight to support slavery? She said:
Two poor dirt farmers were trying to decide if they wouldn join the confederate effort. One said, You know, ole Mr. Beauregard aint gonna pick his own cotton.
summer_in_TX
(2,710 posts)Turns out we have our own but have been in a state of denial about it.
The caste system is not just landowners (rich people), the poor white people, and black people. The caste system has perpetuated layers of hierarchy between blacks of different skin tones.
That system has to go.
Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was so right when he said that civil rights was important to liberate the oppressor as well as those who were oppressed. Oppression afflicts the soul of the oppressor.
UGADawg
(501 posts)your sister and burn your crops and home. They are going to torture your grandfather. You need to fight for your family.
The Yankees did that and poor Southerners did that too.
AverageOldGuy
(1,510 posts)I was born (1944) and reared in Wilkinson County MS. I never knew my paternal grandfather who died well before I was born. My maternal grandfather and I were very close -- some of my earliest memories are following behind him as he managed his small grocery store, big country general store, and cotton gin.
My g-g-granddaddy and his generation all were slave owners as attested to in the 1850 and 1860 slave censuses that show them owning a total of over 230 slaves.
My granddaddy was born in 1896, thus, his lifetime spanned the period of Southern Redemption, enactment of the Jim Crow Black Codes, rise of the Klan, and the civil rights movement of the 1960's -- he died in 1972.
I don't recall the exact circumstances but, when I was college age, we were talking about the complex relationships in Southern culture between and among rich white, poor whites, blacks with some degree of social standing, and blacks who were worse off than poor whites.
One of his comments is reminiscent of LBJ's comment, quoted above -- he said something like: "Everybody wants to feel superior to somebody and for the white trash, it's the n____r -- no matter how low they may be, they are always better than a n____r."
TomCADem
(17,382 posts)You can have working class and poor whites invested in oppressing and scapegoating minorities and immigrants. So, instead of seeking upward mobility, Republicans have convinced their constituents to hate and oppress the groups with whom they should be in solidarity in seeking a greater cut from the 1 percent.
This is why I think some progressives get it wrong when they say we need to ignore racism, because that is just "identity politics." While Republicans accuse Democrats of throwing the "race card," it should be clear by now that the modern Republican party is built on stoking white resentment. Rather than ignore racism and just focus on economic issues, Democrats need to acknowledge the connection between racism and oppression not just of the subjects of the hate, but of the racists who drink the Kool-Aid who are also being taken advantage of just like the folks who stormed the capital only to be thrown under the bus by Trump.
mitch96
(13,871 posts)Years ago I was talking to a patient that was having a long procedure. She was a very old black woman but spry for her age. We talked about everything and the topic of race relations came up. She told me when she was a child her Daddy told her about "The Ladder" It was to explain social standing in the community. She said Whites and Blacks are on a ladder of sorts.
On the top rung was the white man. Then the white woman, then the black man and at the bottom was the black woman.. To me, a young white guy I have never heard of this and growing up in a liberal household it kinda shocked me... How could this be? Back in her younger years that was just the way it was... uff........ Will this shit ever stop? Or is it part of our DNA to oppress people...... I hope not..
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czarjak
(11,254 posts)I have the ancestry to prove it.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,261 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)It is misleading to say very few southerners own slaves. Very often apologists for the Confederacy count "Slave owners" and then divide that into the total population - including children. However, this ignores that only the head of a household was counted as a slave owner. The reality is that on average almost one-third of families in the Confederacy owned slaves and in a few states (South Carolina, Missississippi) almost half owned slaves.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)a lot of people too. Everyone thinks of the big plantation mills but a lot of slave owners might have owned a couple of slaves who worked their land or in the house or who they rented out to big plantations.
The census records tell part of the story but not everything. And for anyone who wants to find that out look at will records which sometimes mention slaves under property, often times those owners may have never appeared on the 1850 and 1860 slave census.
TomCADem
(17,382 posts)Which is far from a majority of whites in the South who owned slaves.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)Remember that the wealthiest southerners had a disproportionate influence on policy, the press, the economy, and even churches that defended and endorsed slavery as approved by God. Men from slave-owning families were also more likely to volunteer (42% more likely in 1861).
https://www.history.com/news/5-myths-about-slavery
TomCADem
(17,382 posts)In any event, you still have a large majority of the confederate army being comprised of non-slave owning whites fighting to defend slavery. Now some folks argue that this means that the civil war was not about slavery, but this is not true. Even though most of the confederate army did not include slaveowners, they were still fighting based on racism and the opportunity to own slaves.
So, even though much of Southern wealth was held in the hands of the few based on slave labor, which also depressed the wages of poor non-slave owning whites, racism helped convince non-slaveholders to fight a war that would mostly benefit a small number of wealthy owners of large plantations. Census data from 1860 showed that the median wealth of the richest 1% of Southerners was more than three times higher than for the richest 1% of Northerners.
This is the analog you have today with the Republican party using racism to effectively oppress the white working class as well as minorities.
raccoon
(31,105 posts)TomCADem
(17,382 posts)At the outset, the South had more volunteers than it could arm and equip, forcing the army to turn away some 200,000 volunteers initially. The draft only came later with less than a fifth of the confederate army consisting of draftees.
It seems like a lot of folks are trying to push the idea that the bulk of the Confederate Army consisted of slaveowners (not true) or that rich plantation owners were forcing poor, non-slave owning whites to fight on their behalf (also not true).
What was true then is true now regarding how the 1 percent can use hate and appeals to racism to oppress not only minorities, but poor whites as well.