******OFFICIAL BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE THREAD #1******

[riderinthestorm]

Starting out strong with Joe!

[DisabledAmerican]

1. here we go fox news talking points right off

Blah Blah Blah Blah

[MrSlayer]

2. What a shit way to start.

[geardaddy]

76. Agreed.

[cilla4progress]

3. Sticking up for the Pres and admin

let's see where we go next ... So truthful sounding.

Now Ryan ....

Libya right off the bat? Sheesh!

[WinkyDink]

4. But why did the moderator start out the way she did? Sounded like a "Gotcha!"

[babylonsister]

9. To prove she's not partisan? nt

[WinkyDink]

21. Bwahahahah! She failed!

[Dirty Socialist]

22. She's a liberal plant

; )

[southernyankeebelle]

48. How do you know that? Listening to the Fox talking points.

[Dirty Socialist]

81. A wink means I 'm not serious

[elleng]

75. To give them both an opportunity to state their positions

about a current, fragile matter. GOOD ONE, imo.

[geardaddy]

89. Exactly.

[WinkyDink]

111. (Wrong place!)

[pa28]

5. Strong answer to a tough question.

Woot!

[fearnobush]

6. On iPhone, no tv need play by play.

Kick em in the balls Joe

[fishwax]

7. the last thing this country needs is another war

[ThatsMyBarack]

18. Bingo, Joe!

[Gregorian]

8. I see the look in Biden's eye. He's ready to pounce on the slick frat boy. I see it!

[babylonsister]

20. No shit. He's loaded for bear; he's ready if he gets a turn.nt

[pa28]

34. He looks like a shark.

ryan is about to get nailed.

[DanTex]

10. Ryan is stiff. Going well so far.

[Barack_America]

11. Ryan needs to shut his fucking mouth about "respect for veterans". nt

[ThatsMyBarack]

12. I saw MRS. LyinRyan earlier.

Not another pink Barbie Doll!

[Dawson Leery]

13. Lyin' Ryan is going at it. He says Romney did not want to stay in Iraq.

[WinkyDink]

14. OMG, I aready want to smack the hypocritical CRAP outta Ryan! Hello, 9/11/01???????????????????????

[riderinthestorm]

15. Bringing up Rmoney's inappropriate remarks!!! nt

[cilla4progress]

16. He sounds so inauthentic to me

but I don't know about "independents"...?

[DisabledAmerican]

17. Joe's Smiling he is happy about this

Lets have his back I believe he can handle it

[Grateful for Hope]

19. Biden --mouthing "that's not true"!

[siligut]

33. YES!

YES! Biden is saying it! Congress fucked our men in Benghazi. YOU GO JOE!

[Chorophyll]

80. AWESOME. Thanks for watching for me, btw.

I'm too tense.

[siligut]

184. It is exhilarating, Joe is killing it.

[Chorophyll]

194. Exhilirating is a wonderful word to read!

Dang...shoulda watched! I'll Youtube it.

[siligut]

195. Got this email from Joe: My promise to you and Barack tonight

I told Barack I have one mission tonight: tell the truth and stand up for what we believe in.

Our side is always going to win when we do that.

And he rocked it!

Youtube will have it, Xfinity and HULU will have it too.

[Grateful for Hope]

112. He is saying what needs to be said

He is doing great so far.

[treestar]

57. good catch!

[fishwax]

23. I think Joe really wants to punch this jerk.

[highplainsdem]

24. Yay, Joe! Nail him for the malarkey. Mock him for it.

[riderinthestorm]

25. I'm listening on Cspan http://www.c-span.org/debates/. Split screen nt

[WinkyDink]

26. "Malarkey!" Go, Joe!

[Glimmer of Hope]

27. Yes!!!!!

[fishwax]

28. that's a bunch of malarkey

You tell 'em, Joe!

[Gregorian]

29. WHAT DID I TELL YOU! "With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey"

[DisgustipatedinCA]

30. Biden's going for blood. Fuck Eddie Munster

[Fearless]

47. +1000!

[TBF]

181. ...

Go get'em Joe!!

[cilla4progress]

31. "malarky"!

[Ikonoklast]

32. JOE STOMPS ON RYAN'S FACE!!!!

[siligut]

53. Lyin' Ryan

Ryan asked not to be called congressman tonight, he knows he should be ashamed.

[DanTex]

35. Yes Joe!

[MadrasT]

36. Malarky!!!

Damn I Joe!!!

He is kicking ass. Love the expressions on his face while Ryan is blathering.

[woodsprite]

37. Yes! GO JOE!!! n/t

[Fearless]

38. He is kicking ass!

[JohnA1]

39. Biden on the attack!!!!

Ryan already looks rattled. I love it!

[spanone]

40. looks like ryan practiced the romney smirk...pretty good

[fishwax]

41. "These guys bet against America all the time."

[uponit7771]

43. This is a KILLER!!!

[fishwax]

55. "Usually when there's a crisis, we pull together as a nation ..."

And Joe lands the combination

[highplainsdem]

60. Great line.

[DisabledAmerican]

42. I wish joe could bring up that Bush congress outsourced our marines to blackwater

[no_hypocrisy]

44. This doesn't seem as much a debate as rather

MTP or FTN with two guests.

[longship]

45. Joe is bring it! nt

[mucifer]

46. Dare I turn on the tv? i'm pretty traumatized from last week.

[Myrina]

63. I know! I can't stand the sight of either Mittwitt or Eddie Munster ...

:barf: But I wanna see Smoklin' Joe kick Lyin Ryan's smarmy little ass!

[Lucy Goosey]

73. Direct quote from Biden:

"With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey" Said with Joe's gorgeous smile, of course.

[highplainsdem]

49. Ryan's coming across as a pompous Romney flunky.

[WinkyDink]

50. This moderator sounds like she's carrying the Republicans' water, quizzing Biden. Ask Ryan what he'd

have done.

[AlinPA]

51. Don't smile so hard, Joe.

[renate]

90. I agree

I adore Joe but I was thinking the same thing... but "not a single thing he said is accurate" went a long way to undo it.

[Barack_America]

153. I'm not sure he can help it. nt

[Terra Alta]

52. Joe looking great so far.

Lyin' Ryan looks nervous. Keep pounding at him, Joe!!

[laruemtt]

54. eddy munster looks nervous and

he's turning red. hahahahaha!

[onecent]

78. eddy munster....lol...n/t

[SmileyRose]

109. he didn't quite get all the zingers right

A little too much time getting buff.

[SaveAmerica]

56. Joe's saying what needs to be said!!

[Coexist]

58. Biden looks great

[LonePirate]

59. I think this whole Libya mess has been blown way out of proportion.

It seems mor elike an isolated tragedy than a wholesale foreign policy crisis.

[WinkyDink]

74. It has been. Nothing like St. Ronnie Reagan's 241 dead Marines in Beirut.

[Barack_America]

61. "not presidential leadership"....OH SNAP!

[fishwax]

70. That was a great statement by Biden

[WinkyDink]

62. Listen to her whispery "sincere" tone: "Should the US have apologized.....?"

[JohnA1]

64. Ive got a great feeling. Ryan is shaken

The look on Ryans face when Joe hit him was like, oh shit! Joe gonna hurt me now.

[AlinPA]

91. Joe is laughing a bit too hard. It does not look good to me.

[Hutzpa]

65. "That's a bunch of malarky the Congressman just said"

you go Joe, throw down the gauntlet.

[spanone]

66. ryan voted against funding for more security. next question.

[gateley]

84. She moved on beforde Biden could get that in -- BIG missed opportunity!

[ecstatic]

67. Are rethugs arguing that we should bomb first and ask questions later?

What exactly is it that they're arguing for with regard to Libya?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

77. Biden, mention 47% and our vets.

[Flatpicker]

68. Can we mention

That the repubs killed the funding for more security?

[SaveAmerica]

69. Ryan has to get back to recess, as per my husband

[DanTex]

71. Ryan is jumpy and douchebaggy. Go Joe!

[Enrique]

72. Martha Raddatz wants to move to Iran!

[llmart]

86. let her

[tjdee]

79. This moderator I don't like. nt

[WinkyDink]

98. Nor I. Feh!

[SaveAmerica]

82. Clealy Ryan has already won - his flag pin is BIGGER!!

[meow2u3]

83. Biden pointed out the $350M cut in embassy security

Boom!

[Honeycombe8]

85. Is she not going to let Biden speak? WTH? So far, it's the Ryan Show. nt

[spanone]

87. i love joe laughing at this asshole.

[Lars39]

88. Ryan's word for the evening is *values*.

Gotta keep it simple for their base.

[StarryNite]

92. Biden just had a WTF look!

Ryan is so full of shit!

[benld74]

93. I'm watching the ballgame,,WE like what Biden is saying BUT what will the neophytes

think when they read the media coverage of this tomorrow. We knew Obama didnt homer in the 1st one, BUT RMoney lied his way through it AND media never said shit about it.

How will this be reported>

[llmart]

94. Go for the jugular, Joe....

give it to him. He's getting flustered.

[aquart]

171. Honey, if they want to lie, they'll lie.

So why worry about it.

[WinkyDink]

95. Aack! I just realized! Ryan has that INFERNAL 20-something-young-woman "vocal fry"!

http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/12/9393348-more-college-women-speak-in-creaks-thanks-to-pop-stars?lite

The influence of pop singers like Britney Spears and Ke$ha may actually be changing the way some young women speak, suggests a (small) new study.

The report, recently published online in the Journal of Voice, examines the prevalence of a speech pattern called "vocal fry," the creaky, rough, guttural sound that pop singers sometimes use to slip into lower notes. Nassima Abdelli-Beruh, one of the study authors (along with Lesley Wolk and Dianne Slavin) and a speech scientist at Long Island University, describes the sound like "rattled, popping air."

[TlalocW]

96. Seems to me the moderator knew Lybia was a losing argument for Ryan

So she moved to Iran.

TlalocW

[highplainsdem]

97. Joe's brilliant.

[Glimmer of Hope]

105. He is. I am enjoying this very much so far.

[Gregorian]

110. He's a rock. He's mature. He is pegging the pinhead on his talking points. This is great.

[Barack_America]

99. "You wanna go to war with Iran?"

[L0oniX]

100. Geeze ...he's not a professional lier obviously. Eddy fails!

[geardaddy]

101. I HATE that stupid independent graph.

What 10 people are gonna decide who won? Fuck that shit.

[Flatpicker]

102. Joe seems to be handling Ryan.

Experience will out.

[Honeycombe8]

103. Libya - Point Ryan. Iran - Point goes to Biden. Biden is allowed to speak finally! Go, Mr. V.P.,Go!

[high density]

104. Joe has a really great smile. NM

[StarryNite]

149. OMG!

That's just what I was thinking! A really genuine beautiful smile.

[PCIntern]

106. Ryan's drinking a lot of water...

Must have been working out beforehand...

[brentspeak]

135. Ryan is nervous

Bad idea to drink all that water: he's gonna want to take a pi$$ real bad.

[Grateful for Hope]

136. LOL!

[michigandem58]

143. I noticed that - nerves

Ryan is shakey.

[renate]

164. remember how much Bush drank during the first debate with Kerry in 2004?

He must have swelled up like a water balloon.

Welcome to DU!

[fishwax]

107. moderator just called him Congressman Ryan. Take THAT congressman ryan

[trailmonkee]

108. nice, she keeps calling him congressman ryan

[trailmonkee]

175. fuck ya joe!!!!

[Phoonzang]

113. What the fuck is up with the CNN graphs?

They love Ryan...especially the women. All he has to do is say 3 words and it shoots up.

[Nye Bevan]

114. I like what Joe's saying, but he's smiling too much. (nt)

[RBInMaine]

115. BIDEN IS KICKING ASS HARD ! GO JOE ! KICK THE SHIT OUT OF HIM !

[TlalocW]

116. Biden - I mean, what are they talking about?

Who are these people? And what about Grape Nuts? You open the box - no grapes, no nuts... what's with this cereal.

Not really, but I would have loved it.

TlalocW

[Ikonoklast]

117. Ryan is out of his depth. He's answering POLICY with TALKING POINTS.

Not landing even one solid point, not even close.

[fishwax]

118. Sounded like the moderator and Biden were both laughing at Ryan after that last answer

[d_b]

119. it's biden debating a punk kid

jesus this is bad

[WinkyDink]

120. "Change the minds" of the Ayatollahs?! Ryan, the Genius.

[RoccoR5955]

142. He's gonna put them in the mind-change machine

What an idiot!

[WinkyDink]

155. It's from the planet Kolob.

[aquart]

121. Why should we give a damn how the mullahs see it?

The mullahs think we should bomb Israel. So what?

[theglammistress]

122. Biden is doing great, but...

I worry he's laughing too much. He laughs when he is ready to pounce. But how will indies view it?

[Ikonoklast]

130. As an elder statesman laughing at an incompetent n00b.

[AlinPA]

151. The laughing looks bad, though. What he says is great though.

[Ikonoklast]

191. Listening, not watching. Not getting that vibe.

[WinkyDink]

132. Laughing at the opponent, if he's a male, is emasculating. :-)

[Ikonoklast]

193. Romney does it all the time with that "heh heh heh" all the time.

[TBF]

189. but but but but ...

I think the indies have brains in their heads and will have no problem figuring out the VP knows what he is saying and Ryan is an ass.

The question is whether you understand that.

[spanone]

123. the ryan doomsday machine

[babylonsister]

124. Ryan trying to convince everyone Obama is BAD at foreign policy?! Hahahaha!

#Whatanasshole

[flamingdem]

125. She seems whiney and keeps going back to Ryan

Biden had to elbow in

[Nevernose]

126. You know what the Ayatollahs see?

Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and a dead fucking Bin Laden. E don't give a shit who the president is: they're terrified.

[Honeycombe8]

127. Biden not allowed to speak? He interrupts Lyin' Ryan and takes over. He WILL speak! Go MR VP GO!

[NYC Liberal]

128. "This is a bunch of stuff" LMAO! GO JOE

[geardaddy]

129. Got three letters for you guys on Martha Raddatz

ABC

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

150. What a douche.

[geardaddy]

190. She's rolling over for Lyin Ryan.

[siligut]

131. "Gotta get them to change their minds" Say it you fuck! The ANC wants war!

There ya go Paul, pull out those guns of yours, ya joke.

[Chiyo-chichi]

133. "THIS IS A BUNCH OF STUFF!"

I love it!

[fishwax]

134. This is a bunch of stuff!

[Gregorian]

137. MAKE MY DAY, JOE!

I was seriously having a bad day, until now.

[babylonsister]

138. Iran is isolated! Go Joe!!! nt

[Lars39]

139. Shame Biden couldn't really say shyte like he wanted to.

[RoccoR5955]

145. Damn straight n/t

[mvd]

140. Go Biden!

Winning the debate both on substance and the too highly rated style points. I have confidence in him!

[Flatpicker]

141. Joe's bringing the common sense.

It'll never fly...

[WinkyDink]

144. If Ryan can interrupt, then Joe can laugh at him! Fair dinkum! "Facts matter, Martha."

[highplainsdem]

146. "We will have the world behind us, and that matters."

[Honeycombe8]

147. Biden interrupts Ryan again. Good. If we have to take action, we will have the world behind us. nt

[riderinthestorm]

148. PLEASE GO TO NEW #2 DEBATE THREAD! FOR OUR DIAL-UP FRIENDS!! NT

[siligut]

152. Facts matter!

Real politicians use facts Paul, you ass.

[elleng]

154. Joe and Martha BOTH foreign relations experts.

GOOD for us!

[MadrasT]

156. Joe's WTF looks are absolutely priceless. n/t

[StarryNite]

161. I love his WTF looks!

[SaveAmerica]

157. It Matters!! Ha Ha, he's trying so hard not to laugh!! GoeBiden!!

[StarlightGold]

158. I can't believe

that Joe is not on the floor, holding his sides.

[Ikonoklast]

159. "Facts matter!" "Not true!"

Making Ryan look like Chicken Little.

[woodsprite]

160. I'm disliking this bitch! n/t

[high density]

162. He changes his mind so often, I could be wrong!

LOL

[ecstatic]

166. Go Biden!!!! I Love it!!!!

[Up2Late]

163. I don't believe a word Ryan says.

Sorry, just don't.

[riderinthestorm]

165. PLEASE NEW #2 DEBATE THREAD! nt

[babylonsister]

167. THIS PRESIDENT DOESN'T BLUFF!! nt

[Gregorian]

168. Joe loves to mop. He's mopping the floor.

[WinstonSmith4740]

169. Go Joe!!

"He changes his mind so often..." Exactly!! Could be the line of the night.

[Barack_America]

170. 47%!!! Bazinga!

[llmart]

172. YOU GO JOE!

He's got me jumping up and yelling.

[theglammistress]

173. Shit just got real

47%, yo.

Biden just laid it all out. I love this man.

[laruemtt]

174. please, Obama, take a lesson -

THIS is how it's done!

[Auntie Bush]

176. Yeah, Joe brought up 47%

Ryan / lying!

[MissDeeds]

177. Love you Joe!

Give 'em hell! Now THAT'S presidential!!!!

[kalli007]

178. HOLY SHIT

UNLEASH THE BIDEN

[elleng]

179. 'You don't read the statistics!'

ryan's got cantor's smirk! OMG!

[LTR]

180. Biden's bringin' it!

Granted, Ryan's leaving a lot of easy openings. But Biden is being his usual kickass self.

[syncreticist]

182. JOE IS KILLING IT!

SMACK THAT RICH BOY UPSIDE HIS FACE!

[theglammistress]

183. I always say what I mean...

...and so does Romney!!!
ZING!!!

[MissDeeds]

186. Eddie Munster has been practicing that

for a week - and Joe shoved it down his throat. Nicely played, Joe!

[dog_lovin_dem]

185. Dialup here!

Could we get a new thread please?

[Iris]

187. A recession that just fell out of the sky!

love it!

[RBInMaine]

188. "THEY ARE SO SEIZED WITH CONCERN OVER THE DEBT THEY CREATED." JOE IS AWESOME !!

[countmyvote4real]

192. In 2002? n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

196. Go Joe!