Pro-Trump Texans are serious about secession and want to seize property from Democrats as they

[turbinetree]

force them to leave: columnist

By Tom Boggioni
Published February 28, 2021

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According to a column for NBC from author Casey Michael, there is a growing movement by hardcore supporters of Donald Trump in various deeply red states to secede from the United States due to anger at the ex-president's loss to now-PresidentJoe Biden.

While every election results in threats to secede or claims from unhappy voters that they are going to leave the country, Michael wrote that the loss by Trump has hit some far-right supporters harder than usual.

According to the NBC report, "Following President Joe Biden's victory in November, GOP officials from Wyoming to Florida to Mississippi have floated the idea, claiming that the time for a national fracturing may be near," with the columnist writing that Texas has moved to the forefront of the secession movement after "a Texas state lawmaker — one who attended the Capitol rally on Jan. 6 and claimed it was 'the most amazing day' — recently filed the first serious secession bill the country has seen since the Civil War."

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-secede/

Allen West, what an ..........

[Ocelot II]

1. Buh-bye.

[TwilightZone]

2. Doesn't matter. There's no support...

The support for secession in Texas has consistently been 20%-25% for decades. It's going nowhere and we do no one any favors by taking it seriously.

Besides, they can't. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/

[MagickMuffin]

3. Allen West isn't a Texan and he doesn't get to tell us what to do.

Allen West can get the hell out of my state and go back to GA.

[CurtEastPoint]

5. oh that fucker was born in ATL but that's about all. We don't want him.

[Tommy Carcetti]

8. We here in Florida already sent him packing in 2012.

So we don’t want him either.

[CurtEastPoint]

11. Yep, I was trying to remember where I first noticed that slimeball. FL. Good riddance.

[Janbdwl72]

24. Why not ship him out of the country?

To Siberia maybe?

[Skittles]

4. Texas would be fucked without the rest of America

they make fools of themselves with these ridiculous antics

[harumph]

18. Sane Texans (and there are many of us) don't want seccesion.

However, the trope that Texas would be fucked is incorrect despite the wild fantasies of non-Texans.
The Texas GDP at the 10th largest in the world surpasses Russia (California is rated 5th largest economy).
There are other states that would be much worse off than Texas. Actually, any state that's NOT in the
following list: NY, TX, CA, IL, PA, MI, NJ and MA would be majorly fucked. But that's not the issue is it - just
more Texas bashing because we currently have a surfeit of crazy republicans.

[Dave Starsky]

20. Yeah, we saw how self-sufficient Texas was a couple of weeks ago.

I love y'all in Texas, but your policy leaders are all batshit crazy and are doing their level best to drive the rest of you into ruin.

[Skittles]

23. yup

they're very fast to run for federal help, after voting to deny such help after Hurricane Sandy - complete hypocrites

[Janbdwl72]

25. Not only that, but

As a Texas resident, I am ashamed to admit that our state has accumulated billions of dollars in a so called "Rainy Day Fund," but would not dip into it for aid for thousands of victims of Hurricane Harvey, and probably won't dip into it now.

Instead, many complain that not all 254 counties in this state aren't included in the federal disaster relief that Biden declared for the state.

Our so called leaders want every other state to pay for it in the form of federal assistance before one penny is taken out of the Rainy Day Fund.

[Skittles]

26. if you are not a Texas repuke you have nothing to be ashamed of

there are Texas repukes and then there is everyone else in Texas, and that includes a lot of VERY fine people indeed - US INCLUDED!

[Skittles]

22. LOL

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um.....I have lived in Texas 45 years which gives me the right to fucking bash Texas

I do understand there are plenty of fine voters in Texas......just not enough.

[kcr]

39. Sorry. It is entirely correct.

But, if this winter won't teach you, nothing will.

[tanyev]

6. They'll get right on that after they get a lot of federal money for storm relief.

[Walleye]

7. But first they want to get all their FEMA money to bail out their fucked up electrical system

[magicarpet]

9. Give the Fascists Floridah,... get the Dems out,... then let Bugs take care of it.

Then De Satanist and trDumpie go bye bye in one breath.

[Me.]

10. THey Are So Tiresome

but what I wonder is...how will they support themselves and their crazy a**ed ideas without my blue state taxes?

[harumph]

19. Texas ranks about 34th on federal tax dollar dependency.

Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Ohio, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont and Pennsylvania are more dependent on federal tax dollars.

[Me.]

21. Not Quite

“Why Are a Few States Such Big Givers?

The biggest givers in our latest report, based on 2018 data, were New York, which paid in US$22 billion more than it received; New Jersey, which paid $12 billion more; Massachusetts, which paid $9 billion more; and Connecticut, which paid $8 billion more than it received.

Combined, these states paid over $50 billion more in taxes than they received in federal spending. For each dollar workers and businesses paid in taxes, the states got an average of 90 cents back. (When Cuomo cited the differences between New York and Kentucky, he was looking at four years of data.)

That negative balance of payments in the Northeast is driven by the large concentration of high-income residents.
The U.S. has a progressive income tax structure, and individuals in these state have a higher income-tax burden. As a result, the revenue side of the states' balance of payments calculation is higher than the spending side.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2020-05-15/some-states-like-new-york-send-billions-more-to-federal-government-than-they-get-back

[harumph]

30. I'm using 2020 metrics. That said, Texas' position is even more

neutral in the 2018 FISC report you cite:

"Since 1988, Texas has been very close to a neutral fiscal relationship with the
Federal government as Federal spending and tax collections have moved hand
in hand. As of FY 1999, Texas’ tax payments were about 1% above the national
average (reflecting its approximately average per capita income), with spending
about 2% below average and a resulting balance of payments deficit of about
$200 per capita. The one major area where Texas was above average in receipt to
Federal funds is defense; even here, it barely ranks in the top 20 and receives only
about 15% more than the national average. Its rapidly growing (and, hence, relatively young) population leaves per capita Social Security (in which the state ranks
45th) and Medicare payments 15% and 10% below average, respectively, and in
spite of a relatively high poverty rate, its receipts of funds for assistance programs
is also 7% below average."

Texas isn't the taker you seem to make it out to be.

[Me.]

33. To Be Clear

"receives only about 15% more than the national average". And as I said, blue states are the biggest givers and this has been so for a long time..

[harumph]

37. You know it's disappointing when people just "dig in."

You're cherry picking one area where Texas receives ~ 15% more on average. In other areas IN THE REPORT YOU CITE
federal receipts are less than or neutral. I can do that too: "Medicare payments 15% and 10% below average, respectively, and in
spite of a relatively high poverty rate, its receipts of funds for assistance programs
is also 7% below average." See, easy. But please proceed.

[Me.]

38. You Stated That NY Was On The Big Taker List

Absolutely not true. And then made a claim about Texas that also isn't so. So getting on me b/c you want to make make Texas look better than some Texans are presenting it just won't fly. It's one thing to be defensive about your state b/c but quite another when you do so by making false claims about another.

[harumph]

41. #1 You're using 2018 metrics.

#2 even considering the dated study, you're quoting the one metric out of the paragraph from the report to sustain
your argument.

This is a direct quote from the study of which you only quote a part: "The one major area where Texas was above average in receipt to Federal funds is defense; even here, it barely ranks in the top 20 and receives only
about 15% more than the national average."

Note the words "The one major area.." this implies that there are other major areas.., no?

Oh my! look at this one: "Since 1988, Texas has been very close to a neutral fiscal relationship with the
Federal government as Federal spending and tax collections have moved hand
in hand. As of FY 1999, Texas’ tax payments were about 1% above the national
average"

...and will wonders ever cease!: "Its rapidly growing (and, hence, relatively young) population leaves per capita Social Security (in which the state ranks 45th) and Medicare payments 15% and 10% below average, respectively, and in
spite of a relatively high poverty rate, its receipts of funds for assistance programs
is also 7% below average."

Clearly, you're the one making false claims by omission. I would love to dissect your states' stats on federal assistance. Let's do that
shall we?

[Me.]

43. Oh Dear, Oh Dear...

So Texas is asking for 7% less of what other states ask for. You're can't make Texas into something it isn't, but keep trying.

[harumph]

44. You said initially:

"...but what I wonder is...how will they support themselves and their crazy a**ed ideas without my blue state taxes?"

My point - and it's supported by the stats - is that Texas is not the debtor state you desperately imagine it to be. This has nothing to
do with crazy a**ed ideas as you put it (I'll grant you - we have some insane right wingers)..., but rather the fact that Texas contributes on average more than the average state, and takes less federal dollars than you are suggesting. Texas isn't New Mexico (blue state) nor is it Alabama (red state). Furthermore, Texas' GDP is the 10th largest in the world - and the country as a whole benefits. Accordingly, your initial post is hyperbolic - at best. I think the real issue is that some DU'rs are justifiably upset about the bullshit rhetoric coming out of Texas - and as a reaction take pleasure in reducing all Texans to caricatures. Compared with Texas, Vermont, Connecticut and Michigan are federal dollar vacuums.

[harumph]

42. I'll just leave this link

https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

The list will likely surprise you.

[kairos12]

12. No electricity. Write documents by candlelight.

Please. And take the other Red State grifters with you.

[Brother Mythos]

13. Start a petition to move one of our military bases to a blue state, and ...

watch how patriotic those Texans suddenly become.

[roamer65]

14. In the days before the 1995 Quebec independence referendum...

the Canadian federal government started to move military and related equipment out of Quebec.

I would assume we would do the same. Although I would also throw the border wide open with Mexico and re-establish it along NM, OK, AR and LA.

[maxrandb]

16. With the exception of NM

I'd prefer we reestablish the border "North" of those other states.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

17. Move them all -- and NASA's Johnson Space Center, too.

Texas is a "taker" state, bragging about how independent they are -- until a major snowstorm hits and they go running to the federal government to rescue them.

[mnmoderatedem]

15. ahhhhh.... unity (nt)

[struggle4progress]

27. Putin's stooges

Russian Bots, Bucks Helped Push Brexit Vote Through
January 19, 20197:01 AM ET
Heard on Weekend Edition Saturday
SCOTT SIMON

... Cambridge Analytica, which is a big data company that worked for the Trump campaign in the end - and it was owned principally by one of Trump's largest backers, Robert Mercer - was also involved in helping the early stages of the Brexit campaign in England.

And the man who spanned both countries and pushed for both, really, was Steve Bannon ...

Calexit leader quits secession effort to make his home in Russia
By Madison Park, CNN
Published 8:00 AM EDT, Wed April 19, 2017

The Russia-based leader of a Calexit campaign has backed off efforts seeking California’s secession from the United States and announced that he intends to “make Russia my new home.”

Louis Marinelli, president of the Yes California Independence Campaign, wrote in a farewell statement that he would withdraw efforts to get the question of secession on California’s 2018 ballot ...

[budkin]

28. They can't secede. End of story.

Thanks for playing.

[Hotler]

29. They want to kill Democrats also. nt

[tinrobot]

36. Pretty much the only way they can stop the state from eventually going blue.

Their desperation is starting to show.

[Bettie]

31. I know there are a lot of good Democrats in Texas and other red states

being one myself in what is now the dark red state of Iowa.

However, there is a little part of me that thinks our nation would be better overall if we could work out a deal where the whackjobs could just all congregate in their own little gun-toting republic of libertarian Jesusland and leave the rest of us alone.

There would have to be a land swap so that the Dems down there could live among the sane and the wingnuts could all move to their new libertarian paradise.

And a wall, there would have to be a wall. Oh, and the ones who want to live there are no longer US citizens. All military hardware would have to be removed from the 'new' nation.

Mostly, I just want some of these assholes to go away and/or STFU.

I know it won't happen, but it would be nice to see the guy with the giant Trump display just go away...it is almost as satisfying as imagining winning the lottery these days, to think of living among decent people.

[theneworiginal]

32. Go to Cancun.

U and teddy can start a fascist regime.

If it weren't for the fact that Trump would get his hands on some of the military arsenal, I would tell all of his Trumpettes to get the hell out of our country, go live in his world and see how u like it.



Let the Reds secede, then build a wall!

[Raftergirl]

34. I would love for all these red states to leave.

They are the sole reason we can’t have nice things.

[DFW]

35. While there are still many (I'll bet WAY less now) pro-Trump Texans

There are still the 5.25 million Texans who voted for Joe Biden.

Nut cases are as nut cases do. Let's not generalize too much. Unless you live in California, how many people in YOUR state voted for Biden? Let's not lump us all in with nut cases like Alan West or Ted Cruz, who weren't even born there. West only moved there in 2015, and Cruz moved there as a 4 year old kid in 1974, only 8 years before I did.

[dalton99a]

45. +1. Dan Patrick hails from Baltimore, Ken Paxton from North Dakota

[msfiddlestix]

40. I have vision issues, this image of this individual looks to be African American.

Is this person AA and is he leading this effort?