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Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:14 AM

Hyatt Nazi

FWIW --

I used the Hyatt website portal to tell them that I would be boycotting their establishments until they fire the manager and facility managers at the CPAC location and issue a statement condemning the use of a Nazi rune as a stage. Someone had to approve that facilities request and it would not have taken long to find it on the internet.

I am going to ask my company to put similar pressure on the company.

I even stated, that I understand the need to do business in a pandemic and hosting the CPAC gathering was not why I was going to boycott them. It was the Choice that they made when they allowed their hotel space to be transformed into a Nazi rune that led to this decision.

I encourage as many of you as possible to do the same.

I am going to ask my companies travel group to do the same. In pre-Covid times, many conferences that people from the company would present had Hyatt as a host or partner hotel.

Not sure if it will do any good -- but this is my Quixote attempt for Monday morning.

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Reply Hyatt Nazi (Original post)
JT45242 Mar 2021 OP
Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #1
olegramps Mar 2021 #2
getagrip_already Mar 2021 #4
Warpy Mar 2021 #9
olegramps Mar 2021 #22
wnylib Mar 2021 #13
FBaggins Mar 2021 #3
DFW Mar 2021 #5
FBaggins Mar 2021 #7
wnylib Mar 2021 #14
FBaggins Mar 2021 #20
KatK Mar 2021 #6
Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #8
Cozmo Mar 2021 #10
BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #11
William Seger Mar 2021 #12
Danmel Mar 2021 #15
questionseverything Mar 2021 #21
LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #16
William Seger Mar 2021 #19
dalton99a Mar 2021 #17
vercetti2021 Mar 2021 #18

Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:22 AM

1. Blast them on social media too

Twitter. Companies closely monitor their Twitter mentions, that will get their attention.

Yelp and Google reviews for that specific location.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:30 AM

2. I would appreciate an explanation of "rune". I admit it sent me to my dictionary.

The Webster Dictionary defines "rune" as a mystery or a letter used by Germanic people that went out of use in the 13th century. I need assistance in understanding how it was used at this, I agree "Nazi assembly" of insurrectionists & lawless traitors. This whole movement brings back my seeing the news reels of Hitler and the frantic adorning massive crowds. Although I was very young my mother explained to me why so many of our family were in the armed services and what Hitler intended to do if he succeeded in crushing us.

Thanks.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:35 AM

4. think of it as a symbol representing something.....

The nazi party used the swastika - also a rune or symbol - to identify their party. The SS used a symbol on their uniforms, like the double lightning bolt, to represent their units.

It was the SS symbol that is identicle to the stage design iused at cpac. You can find both side by side in simple google searches.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:18 PM

9. It's the "Odal" rune

It was a Nazi insignia, that bunch being big on the old Norse gods. The SS were particularly fond of it and a lot of neo Nazi regalia sports it.

Here's the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_(rune)#Modern_use

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Response to Warpy (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 16, 2021, 08:37 AM

22. Thanks.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:27 PM

13. Runes were a method of writing

among Norse people (Scandinavia and northern Germanic tribes). Each rune symbolized a sound and was also a symbol, by itself, for a concept. Runes existed centuries before Nazism and were eventually replaced by the Roman alphabet.

The odal rune being used today by neo Nazis was used by a division of the Gestapo as a symbol worn on their collar instead of the SS that looked like lightning strikes on the uniforms of regular Gestapo.

In the old system of runic writing, the odal rune symbolized the concepts of inheritance, tradition, persistence, and unity. Nazis believed that the Nazi movement represented the traditions of a "golden age" of Aryan purity and reached into the past for their symbols.

The swastika today has such an immediate negative reaction from most people that the neo Nazis of today prefer the less well known odal that was once used by a Gestapo division.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:32 AM

3. No thanks. Not going to blame Hyatt

I've never seen that symbol before (let alone associated with the Nazis) and I'm not even sure that I agree that the platform is clearly the same design.

Could easily be someone in CPAC who should be roasted over an open flame for it... but certainly not Hyatt.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:41 AM

5. I agree in this case

CPAC rented the space. Hyatt had no say in how CPAC set up the space rented, that was all CPAC's doing.

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Response to DFW (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:03 PM

7. With the caveat that if it had been a swastika this would be a different conversation nt

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:30 PM

14. The swastika of the past has been replaced

by the odal rune for today's neo Nazis.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:50 PM

20. No it hasn't

One particular group in the US started using it a few years ago and a few other smaller groups have used it as well. There's no evidence that the swastika has been replaced in any general sort of way.

Just check the news for occurrences of each symbol. You'll find dozens of swastika references just in the last few weeks. For this rune? You'll find stuff from this CPAC event... and then a couple stories from a few years ago about the National Socialists dropping one symbol for the other.

More relevantly for this story. There isn't any reason at all to expect Hyatt employees to be able to recognize the symbol.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:44 AM

6. Facebook page is https://www.facebook.com/HyattPlace

... and there is at least person thanking the for hosting CPAC.

One can leave a comment on any post there.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:08 PM

8. Appears this symbol is also used by the American National Socialist Movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism

Seems it was intentional. Despicable.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:38 PM

10. Blame for stage design and it's construction rests solely with CPAC and not Hyatt

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:01 PM

11. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a clause in the standard rental agreement,

giving Hyatt the power of veto over the use of images and iconography within its venues. It's been suggested that, were the rune a swastika, the conversation would be different. I totally agree, but I also think that being more or less well-known isn't the issue.

It's not like it's a totally obscure design, used only rarely by a certain group within the Reich's armed forces. There must be thousands of pictures in which this rune figures, whether prominently, or even at all.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:11 PM

12. Please don't do this

Unless you can come up with some reason to think anyone at Hyatt even knew what the symbol was, holding them accountable will be seen as less than rational by most people.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:32 PM

15. Hyatt donates 82% Democratic and 18% Republican

I have an app called Goods Unite Us that tracks political donations of corporations.
Helps me make better decisions.
https://www.goodsuniteus.com/categories/#/categories

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Response to Danmel (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:30 PM

21. Pritzers own the hyatts

Jb just donated 2.5 million to the Wisconsin Democratic Party

This has been orchestrated to hurt very generous democratic donors

Ps I would not of known/ suspected what the stage design was about

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 02:17 PM

16. From the Hoarse Whisperer

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Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:01 PM

19. I just realized, you can't see the shape of the stage from the floor

The pics that are circulating seem to be from a camera that's mounted on the ceiling -- the room doesn't have theater-style seating that would allow looking down on the stage. That really makes it a stretch to hold anyone at Hyatt responsible.

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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 02:20 PM

17. Kick




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Response to JT45242 (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 02:22 PM

18. I'm not gonna blame Hyatt

They were probably oblivious to what CPAC were doing.

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