Anti-masker murders police officer who was escorting him away from basketball game

[turbinetree]

By Travis Gettys
Published March 01, 2021

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A police officer was shot and killed in New Orleans during a dispute over mask requirements at a high school basketball game.

Police said 35-year-old John Shallerhorn tried to enter George Washington Carver High School's gymnasium Friday about 6:15 p.m. for a playoff game against Warren Easton High when he was stopped by an employee who was checking temperatures and enforcing a mask mandate, reported NOLA.com.

Shallerhorn fought with the school employee before Martinus Mitchum, a Tulane University police officer and 2nd City Court deputy constable who was working for the school as a security guard, tried to break up the altercation.

https://www.rawstory.com/martinus-mitchum/

And why again are bullets not taxed at $5,000 per bullet, this is just plain outright fucked up..............

To the family of the officer, this is just beyond sad.............

[Hoyt]

1. This junk has to stop. According to the article, the shooter had robbed a man before the shooting.

"Before the shooting, Shallerhorn also robbed a medallion chain at gunpoint from a 39-year-old man sitting in a parked car."

We need to outlaw public toting, and put up metal detectors, etc., everywhere possible.

[NutmegYankee]

6. Metal detectors are a form of harrassment on the general public.

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People with replacement hips or knees and plate/screws for bone repairs routinely set them off and require invasive follow up screening.

On edit: Making people miserable with overbearing security to go anywhere, like restaurants and grocery stores, isn't going to turn the population against guns, it'll turn them against us. Wearing a mask is easy. Removing belts, jewelry, and emptying pockets everywhere daily will infuriate people. And those of us with orthopedic repairs will always be hassled and pulled out of line.

[Hoyt]

7. Gun shots are too. There are other means of detection.

[NutmegYankee]

9. You said metal detectors "everywhere".

So my orthopedic implants would set off screening at every store and place I visit. Meanwhile, I virtually never encounter a gun unless I'm at a reenactment event, and those guns are period weapons for living history.

[Hoyt]

13. Did you see the "etc." Look, we've been through this before, you support gunz. I get it.

[RVN VET71]

23. Sad to say, if you can't just outright ban the damned things

--- and you can’t, you just can’t in America --you have to figure out ways to detect them in public places.

If it inconveniences some pope more than others, that may well be the price we all have to pay to protect our citizens from gun-toting murderers.

Also, I think anyone who defies a mask mandate needs to be not just arrested and fined but jailed, as well. Maybe for every non-masker who gets arrested, society could figure a way to make room in its prisons and jails by reducing one poor bastard who is there on a simple drug charge. In most cases this would mean freeing a black man and imprisoning a white man or woman. I’d vote for it.

[They_Live]

59. + 1 n/t

[LiberalArkie]

12. I think that most of the implants are made with metals that are non-ferrous that are not

picked up by the metal detectors. I have a lot of metal in my leg and have never set one off.

[Hoyt]

14. Thank you for clarifying.

[NutmegYankee]

22. They are incorrect.

Most implants contain enough metal to be detected, even with increasing use of ceramics.

[Hoyt]

24. Like the poster below, some folks might be inconvenienced. Small price to pay to keep gunners off

street, both criminals and gun-strokers (who make gunz available to criminals).

[NutmegYankee]

25. Is it really? Metal detectors everywhere?

You think that is reasonable because you have an irrational rear. Thankfully most Americans consider such an idea absurd.

[Hoyt]

51. You don't like it because you are a gunner.

[friendly_iconoclast]

74. I dunno about NutmegYankee, but *I* don't like it because I'm not a crypto-Puritan control freak...

...bent on 'cleansing' society.

[NutmegYankee]

87. +1000! nt

[ShazzieB]

130. Same here, friendly_iconoclast.

I'm not a "gunner," have never owned a gun, and have no intention of acquiring one. But that doesn't mean I want to live in acountry where I have to go through metal detectors everywhere I go.

That would be my idea of a nightmare.

[SlogginThroughIt]

104. I don't like it and I am not a gunner.

Look metal detectirs are not going to out much of a dent in the number of gun related incidents. You would be walking through a metal detector EVERYWHERE. And sorry I do not want to live my life like that. I just don’t. Sporting events? Sure. Fine. But to have any real impact they would have to be so prevalent that they would be a public nuisance.

And other forms of deterrence would need to undergo strict research to make sure that it wouldn’t be used to infringe on our liberties... Think post 9/11.

The reality is that we need to keep pushing municipalities and businesses to not allow them and continue to push anti-gun messaging like we did with cigarettes. And never let off the gas with it.

That will be more effective.

[SlogginThroughIt]

116. Does that constitute "everywhere"?

I didn't realize putting them in the entrance to congress means that they would be everywhere.

There are places where it is rational to put them. In order for them to have an effect they would have to be in every single entrance that you go in and out of in a public space. That doesn't seem very reasonable for me living in a free society because some people want to carry guns everywhere. And we would still have the issue of having shooting outside of areas with controlled intrances such as the general outdoors.

[SlogginThroughIt]

119. The statement to me was that they need to be ubiquitous

I certainly do not intend to live in a society where I need to pass through a metal detector to go to the grocery store, and then to the drug store, and then to grab a bite to eat at a restaurant, and then to pay for gas at a convenience station and then... and then... and then.... oh and to also have to wait at each of those places because someone in front of me walking in forgot to remove their money clip before trying to pass.

It isn't a reasonable response to the situation with guns in this country.

[lonely bird]

146. Got a plate and 6 screws in my arm.

It never sets off a metal detector. According to techs whenever I have had to have an MRI since that procedure the MRI doesn’t bother it.

[NutmegYankee]

19. Implants set them off.

Screws might not, but a replacement joint will.

[Chili Pepper]

48. Unfortunately, that is not true.

I have two artificial hips and I have set off almost every metal detector I've had to pass through.

But with every alarm I set off, it's usually followed by person wanding me with a hand held detector. I explain about my hips, the wand buzzes around my hip area, and then I'm free to go. I've never been harassed and only rarely have I had to endure a rather invasive pat down or search.

My family and friends know about my hips and they know that it takes me a few minutes to get through a detector. And it's only then that I have to endure the harassment from my friends

It just becomes a way of life. If it means that I don't have to see someone toting a gun in a public place, then I can live with that.

[csziggy]

57. I've been setting off metal detectors

From where the wand goes off when they do the increased screening, it's my artificial knees and/or the fixtures that are holding my lower back together. Different times, different rates of wand waving done behind my back make it difficult to tell which now - but I set off metal detectors in the courthouse before I had the work done on my back and after I had the knees replaced.

The surgeon gave me a card for my knees, but the guy that worked on my back did not give me one for it. I also have to carry a card for my aortic valve replacement since an MRI requires different settings to not heat it up. Of course now with the back fixtures I may never have to have another MRI.

[NutmegYankee]

89. artificial disk?

[csziggy]

90. I'm not real sure - they explained it but I was still loopy

And for my rechecks I've only seen PAs that did not have the full details.

I know they fused my L5 to the sacroiliac, but part of that was removing loose bits of the L5 that was fractured almost forty years ago. I seem to remember something about filling the spaces with something, but not a full disk. I could be wrong.

In addition to the anesthetic hang over, the day after the surgery when they were trying to get me discharged, I had a vasovagal syncope, fainted in the bathroom and bashed my head pretty thoroughly. So they kept me two extra days.

[NutmegYankee]

97. It might have been a fusion with bone.

I had my problems at C4/C5/C6 in my neck.

[csziggy]

122. I'm wondering about my neck but I think I just need the proper exercises

But the back was the result of falling off a horse about forty years ago. Although they did X-rays, they didn't show any fractures. I suspect there were tiny cracks at that time. But over the years as I got older, surgeries had me disabled for periods, gaining weight, and getting out of shape, the bone just came apart as the muscles were no longer supporting it.

I had been tested for osteoporosis so it wasn't that.

They fused it and did whatever but the nerve damage was done. physical therapy and exercises help but I've been unable to do a lot of them since November when I stubbed the shit out of a toe, fractured it badly and the entire foot was compromised. It still hurts, especially when I walk so I'm waiting for it to heal and then get back into the regime the PT recommended.

Getting old sucks and so do accidents!

[NutmegYankee]

123. Yeah, nerve damage sucks.

I lost some strength in my left hand and have reduced sensation in three fingers because of blowing the disks. After 7 years, it's probably permanent.

[csziggy]

124. Have they checked for carpal tunnel or ulnar nerve pinching?

My primary care doctor sent me to a neurologist for numbness in both hands - he thought it was a damage nerve in my neck. But the neurologist found that I had the worse case of bilateral carpal tunnel syndrome he'd ever seen. So I got surgery for carpal tunnel and ulnar nerve relocation (before I had numbness in the last three fingers of both hands). Originally they planned to do each about three months apart but my Dad died and they ended up a year apart.

Now all I have to worry about is trigger finger in my middle fingers, but I do my needlework it seems to lessen - I think it's good physical therapy for my hands!

[NutmegYankee]

128. Yes, they did the nerve conduction tests and electromyography.

All pointed to the neck. Thankfully I no longer suffer from pins and needles. It's just reduced sensation / weakness.

[csziggy]

131. That's a shame!

Hopefully, you have learned to cope with it. Good Luck!

[mopinko]

92. yeah, i have a plate in my neck.

never set of a detector.

[capechacon]

15. So, what's the alternative? Pat downs and body cavity searches for all?

Get real and get a life....sure, a few people will be/are inconvenienced by almost any regulation or required procedure. But the alternatives are not really feasible.

Either that, or maybe you'd prefer that kids carry Glocks at middle school? As I said, get real.

[NutmegYankee]

21. What a fucked up response!

People should be able to go about their daily lives without having to be checked through security unless they are entering a known secured zone like a courthouse or airport. I don’t need such security to enter a grocery store or retail outlet.

And frankly, your attitude towards those with disabilities is sickeningly out of touch with the Democratic Party.

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. Gun control advocacy is rife with both classism ($5K bullet tax) AND ableism

I've read many, many posts over the years advocating that people go mano a mano with an attacker
in lieu of armed self defense.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

29. Racism, too.

[Hoyt]

60. Gun-toters are now chiming in. You guys don't want any restrictions.

[friendly_iconoclast]

68. No, we don't want the restrictions *you* want. You've peddled that "unrestricted" libel for years...

...and it's long past time someone called you on it.

[Hoyt]

69. And you've championed "more gunz in more places" for years.

[friendly_iconoclast]

70. And that's as phony a claim as the GOP whining about 'widespread election fraud'

And just as obvious to those who haven't drunk the Kool-aid.

Once again, factose intolerance rears its ugly head.

Of course, you could clear all that up in a jiff if you could just, y'know...give a cite

But you can't, can you?

[Jakes Progress]

58. What a fucked up response.

Sure. Some, people will die. Sure, children will grow up without a father. But at least a few will not have to spend a few minutes in line. I'm sure the families of the dead will be happy to know that the death of their family member did not cause anyone any inconvenience.

Best to just ban the guns period. Do you favor that? How about offering another solution?

Me? I'd rather be wanded than shot.

[friendly_iconoclast]

73. "How about offering another solution?" Sure- repeal the Second Amendment

It'll take a while, so you'd best get started.

Unless and until you succeed, we'll all have to abide by it.

[Jakes Progress]

117. Keep up please.

My reply was to nutmeg.

Of course you could always apply the second amendment with a modicum of common sense instead of using it to elevate guns to a god status.

[capechacon]

93. And you're apparently out of touch with the reality that.....

you live in a highly populated society that can't possibly ameliorate every inconvenience.

Guns, lots of 'em, are, unfortunately, a reality of 21st century life in the US. We absolutely need procedures/devices designed to protect ourselves from many of the nuts that own them. If that means a few are inconvenienced as a result, then so be it. Better that than someone gets blown away while buying a dozen eggs at their local DariMart..

[NutmegYankee]

96. Let me know how that works out for you.

Because it'll ensure Republican dominance in any election.

[capechacon]

105. Um...no. The (idiotic) Rethug response would be to rid ourselves of all screening devices and then..

make sure that everyone is REQUIRED to pack heat.

Thanks, but I think I prefer a few inconvenient metal detectors.

[NutmegYankee]

111. You might - in the minority.

I mean let's get real - this would cause us to lose control of government.

[Hoyt]

127. Not really, only 30% or so are gun-lovers. Would you vote for a GOPer

to protect toting or assault style rifles?

[Iggo]

145. Good gawd, enough!

Jesus Fucking Christ!

We get it! You're special!

God damn!

[bottomofthehill]

28. The use of a hand wand is hardly invasive

[NutmegYankee]

31. So people really want metal detectors at grocery stores?

And we have issues so severe that we need to subject people to disrobing, removing all metal, and wands to enter basic places like retail stores and restaurants?

I already know the blow back would be fierce. And it would not be partisan. I got surgery to be normal again, not be selected out everywhere I go.

[bottomofthehill]

32. No, I really don't want that

We need some type of common sense gun regulations lacking that we have the insanity of screening people to cut down on shootings.

[NutmegYankee]

35. I hear you on common sense regs.

I live in a fairly strict state and we have few issues. But I don't think making everyone miserable with overdone security will actually sway the population against guns. It'll sway them against the left instead.

[druidity33]

94. Disrobing? Really? You've jumped the shark. nt.

[NutmegYankee]

95. I had to remove a belt to get into a courthouse. nt

[druidity33]

100. Yeah. That's not disrobing. nt.

[NutmegYankee]

101. Subjective definition

But many of us consider having to remove article of clothing to meet it. And no, I shouldn't need to be hassled like that just to buy eggs. The vast majority of liberals would find that a step too far, let alone the general population.

[NutmegYankee]

110. Hoyt said "everywhere possible". nt

[druidity33]

112. Disrobing means to take your clothes off.

Nobody would ask you to do that. Why not be constructive? Do you go to the same grocery stores all the time? Walking through a detector takes less time than through sensor activated doors. Maybe people who have added metal in their bodies could be issued some kind of card. Or it could be a checked box on your Driver's license. Personally, i only go to 2 (very rarely a 3rd) grocery stores and often say hello to staff and workers. They know me. Why not make the metal detector alarm silent or not so "alarming"? Do you know how many other people are disadvantaged, inconvenienced, mismanaged, etc... but deal with it because it's in the service of the greater good?

Anyway, this discussion borders on completely irrelevant. Nobody is putting metal detectors in grocery stores. Guns aren't going away. People feel strongly about them in many ways never seeming to agree even on the most basic concepts on ownership and laws. There will be more and more shootings however. And there are already TOO MANY GUNS out there. You may object to that last statement of course, that's your prerogative.

I found this thread dismaying in its hyperbolic vitriol... honestly, i'm sorry i dipped my toes in. In any case, i'm on childcare duty momentarily and won't be able to respond. Be well...

[NutmegYankee]

113. Yeah, I want to show my "Papers" everywhere I go. That's the ticket to great society...

FWIW, I'm anti-concealed carry. I'm also anti-authoritarian.

[OriginalGeek]

147. I've lost some weight

if I take off my belt there is a very real danger of disrobement.

I guess I could get new, better fitting clothes but where's the fun in that?

Well, not behind me in the disrobing line for sure.

In Heinlein's book "The Puppet Masters" the alien parasites got so good at hiding in clothes to control human minds the world had to pass anti-clothes ordinances and everyone had to be nude to show there was no alien presence. It wouldn't bother me but I realize I'm in a pretty small minority of folks who just don't care if people see them naked.

In the meantime, I'm with ya - some kind of sensible regulations will have to be worked out.

[RainCaster]

37. To me, that's nonsense

I have knee joints that set off the detectors all the time. I do not find it invasive in any way. A secondary hand held wand verifies my statement about prosthesis, and I'm on my way.

[NutmegYankee]

39. Everywhere you go though?

I wasn't challenging TSA. I'm questioning detectors everywhere such as grocery stores, restaurants, retail outlets. The general population is not going to accept that.

[Happy Hoosier]

43. Don't get me wrong.... I think that's the wrong emphasis... BUT...

I fully support any business or facilities right to control who can and cannot enter their premises. A right to carry does not, IMO, mean a right to carry anywhere.

[NutmegYankee]

45. And I'm arguing against bans on concealed carry.

I don't expect a retail business to start using metal detectors because it will turn away more customers than they would gain. It would only be implemented widespread by law.

I also would be careful about the statement "right to control who can and cannot enter their premises". It is reasonable to require they be dressed or wear a mask for public safety, but a blanket right would bring us back to the era of segregation in a heartbeat.

[Happy Hoosier]

46. Well obviously, not THAT kind of restriction.

We have public accommodation laws that prevent that kind of discrimination.

But carrying a gun is a not a protected class, not should it be.

[NutmegYankee]

67. I was challenging the metal detectors everywhere comment of Hoyt.

He really supports that.

[NutmegYankee]

86. Nope. NOT a strawman fallacy

Hoyt is actually arguing for metal detectors everywhere because he believes that will make society ban all guns. I recognize it would instead make society ban US from government.

As for your school argument - I never discussed those, and won't because that's a "red herring".

[NutmegYankee]

103. JFC! Look at Hoyt's comment:

We need to outlaw public toting, and put up metal detectors, etc., everywhere possible

I directly challenged that idea as stupid. Everywhere possible is stupid. And would piss people off in no time flat.

[NutmegYankee]

109. Yes, you were wrong and falsely accused me of using a strawman fallacy.

Yes, Hoyt has expressed a desire to ban all guns in virtually every thread like this in GD and typically chooses some radical policies, like metal detectors everywhere possible. I chose to challenge his statement.

As for schools, the 1990 Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) makes all schools gun free zones across the USA. Most do not have metal detectors because schools are locally funded. Less than 10% of all schools have them. Many people associate metal detectors at schools with crime ridden areas because they first appeared in inner cities in the 1980s. Probably not fair, but that's what a lot of parents think. Each community chooses the risk versus reward themselves.

My local schools do not have metal detectors.

[NutmegYankee]

120. Many businesses are gun free zones and carry stickers as such.

National park hotels, like the Bright Angel lodge at Grand Canyon NP carry the same label. But none have security at the door.

For those places that have metal detectors, it will stop conventional guns, but the newer ceramic and plastic guns can defeat them. It's possible to detect the ammunition, but at that level of sensitivity on the detector you also detect belt buckles and jewelry. People will get sick of that if subjected to it day in and day out. People only tolerate it now because it is limited to specific secure places with limited access that we visit less frequently.

And as I mentioned in another thread, I don't want to pull out an orthopedic surgery card everywhere I go. That is just too close to "your papers please" even if it isn't an ID that is requested. I don't want to live in a society like that. And I'm betting I'm not alone.

[ShazzieB]

134. I don't want to live in a society like that either, Nutmeg Yankee.

I agree with this post, andcwith all your previous responses to Hoyt. Metal detectors "everywhere" is just plain crazy talk. That would never fly in this country.

And I say all this as someone who does not own and never have owned a gun.

[Happy Hoosier]

38. I have two artificial knees....

I have not had a hard time. RARELY does someone actually pat me down. If they have a wand, they wave them buy my knees, confirm the beep and wave me on.

I DID have to tell some TSA bubbas to go easy on the knee patting in the first few months following the surgeries. Those folks could get aggressive and those knees were tender for a few months. Some were apologetic, others were kinda assholes about it.

[NutmegYankee]

41. See post 39.

[Scruffy1]

47. I've got some.

Been through a lot of detectors. Yes, it sets them off, but the screening is not a problem. Usually done by hand with a wand. I really don't mind. It's a lot better than being shot. I've had that happen, too.

[Ms. Toad]

63. That's more myth than reality.

My brother and I each had rods and screws implanted following broken tibias. I carry a card with me in case I'm stopped - as did my brother until his rod was removed. We both requested a card from our doctors and were both told that it would be extremely rare for us to set off a metal detector.

Neither of us ever set it off a single metal detector.

The gates identify body location of the flag. The medical card confirms the location. Although I haven't set off the detectors with my leg, I have had shoes set it off. They just wand the shoes and send me through.

[NutmegYankee]

125. It depends on how sensitive they set the detectors.

I’ve had some alarm and some not. Courthouse detectors are the absolute worst. Thankfully I only go there for jury duty once in a blue moon.

[Ms. Toad]

137. I haven't had any issue with

airport or courtroom detectors. Although I haven't been through the touchiest one I know since I got the rod.

[hack89]

55. If he is not scared of committing an armed robbery

what law do you think would deter him from carrying a gun in public?

[Hoyt]

62. Hack, stopping the proliferation of gunz will minimize this. I know you need a bunch of gunz to

find enjoyment in life, but there is a better way.

Every decade gunners delay meaningful gun laws with their whining, puts another 100 million on the streets. And I blame gunners for that.

[friendly_iconoclast]

75. "(S)topping the proliferation of gunz" Just like the GOP "stopping the proliferation of voting"

Different ends, same mindset and methods...

[Hoyt]

78. Gunner junk.

[hack89]

76. I live in a state with model gun laws

And some of the lowest gun murder rates in the country - rates that have been declining for decades. Even as gun ownership has gone up. Just do the entire country like us and you will be in good shape.

[Hoyt]

81. Gun murder rates have been declining for years, until recently. Unfortunately, white wing militia

members and racists keep gobbling up gunz. Not suggesting you are in those groups, but your irrational need for more gunz certainly enables them and criminals. The gunz criminals get usually were initially manufactured and sold to a mythical "responsible gun owner."

If I am not mistaken, Kyle Rittenhouse is from the state you claim has such fine gun laws.

[hack89]

82. Kyle is not from Rhode Island

And it is not clear to me exactly what gun laws you actually want passed. Care to elaborate a little? For once?

[Hoyt]

83. Sorry, I thought you lived in Illinois. In any event, Rittenhouse's photos illustrate what I want -

No more public toting, whether concealed or open.

If so-called "law-abiding" gunners aren't allowed to tote, it makes it easier to catch guys like in the OP.

[hack89]

84. Criminals have been carrying concealed guns since guns were invented

The guy in the OP was willing to commit armed robbery. Why would a ban on carrying a gun in public stop him?

[Hoyt]

85. First, he would have been stopped from entering the gym. Second, he might have been stopped

before he robbed the person before entering the gym.

He probably got the gun by stealing it from some paranoid "responsible" gun-toter or bought it from a mythical "responsible gun owner" who sold it for a fist full of cash without a back ground check. Therefore, maybe he would not have acquired a gun.

As soon as you guys can't tote, gun sales will decrease, putting less gunz on the street.

And there is plenty more.

[hack89]

91. The shooting was not in the gym.

How would he have been stopped before the robbery if the gun was concealed?

[Hoyt]

138. How long do you think he had the pistol? He could have been apprehended

months ago entering any number of buildings, walking down the street, etc. Heck, he might of stolen it from one of the few mythical “law abiding” gunners who would have not been carrying when robbed if gun-toting restrictions were enacted over your objections.

[friendly_iconoclast]

142. Still pushing for vigilantism and 'cleansing society' of gun owners, I see:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#471995

I know those who carry in public think the police are just supposed to wink at those who might have a weapon. But, this shows why police need to stop and check out anyone toting in public.

Further, every citizen should report anyone carrying a gun in public -- Maybe even hold them until police arrive. You just never know when the gunner is a criminal, has bad intentions, or just walked off their compound with a plan to harm innocent people.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026676609#post69

I support treating armed people like a potential terrorist, criminal, mentally unstable person, etc.

I really didn't see any brutality in the video. If you have a gun, police and bystanders should treat you as a significant threat until the situation is assessed...

[Hoyt]

143. Still promoting gunz everywhere, I see.

[friendly_iconoclast]

144. Still peddling your Big Lies, I see.

[HariSeldon]

2. So sad, but now police should swap...

the way they view/treat anti-maskers with the way they view/treat Black boys and men. Except with this, every anti-masker is literally already a threat to the public (health).

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. Two more family's destroyed because of OrangeAnus and his

fucked up mouth.

[BComplex]

4. "And why again are bullets not taxed at $5,000 per bullet"...BRILLIANT IDEA!!!

I'm totally for this! We need the tax revenue to pay for all the damage that bullets cause, and we could target a lot of the tax dollars gained from this for wildlife. They all want to say that they need their guns because they're all innocent hunters. Let's see?

[obamanut2012]

5. Because it is regressive, and then only rich people will be allowed to be armed

It needs to be something that is equal and equitable across the board.

I personally can't think of any gun law worse than only allowing the oligarchs to be armed.

[cannabis_flower]

8. I've heard that before

[hack89]

52. Because it would be unconsitutional

Defacto bans are unconstitutional - well established case law.

[JohnnyRingo]

10. That mask meant that much to him?

Does he think everyone will laugh at him for wearing one? Does it crush his manhood to that degree? Will it render him impotent?

It's just a mask!

[wnylib]

36. Protecting his freedumb got him less freedom.

[JohnnyRingo]

44. Yeah, he'll have fun in prison.

"I won't do that, and you can't make me" zzzap!

hahaha

[Ms. Toad]

64. He **also** committed armed robbery.

The headline conveniently ignores that.

[JohnnyRingo]

126. With no mask?

You're always supposed to wear a mask for a robbery. Has he never seen The Beagle Boys, or The Hamburgler? Cowboys always pulled their mask up to rob the stagecoach.

Wow, when following Trump means you can't even do your job, it's time to retire.

[Ms. Toad]

136. Probably without a mask . . .

since it was before he went in and had the mask confrontation.

Or, perhaps that is why he got so mad about his mask. Maybe he was wearing it for the robbery and was afraid someone would recognize him inside based on his mask

[Sancho]

11. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[Hoyt]

16. If you lived on military bases, you know gunz are severely restricted, to point that only a

few can carry.

[Sancho]

65. I grew up on a military base...my father was a long timer.

You are correct. Even in the 1950's and early 60's our home was treated much like a military base too. Guns were locked up. Ammo was locked up separately. You get the idea.

I would really like it to be very difficult for people with obvious issues to easily walk into a local store and buy up as many guns and bullets as they wish.

Restrictions to prevent possession are legal. Read this book:

The Second Amendment: A Biography
Widely acclaimed at the time of its publication, the life story of the most controversial, volatile, misunderstood provision of the Bill of Rights.

At a time of increasing gun violence in America, Waldman’s book provoked a wide range of discussion. This book looks at history to provide some surprising, illuminating answers.

The Amendment was written to calm public fear that the new national government would crush the state militias made up of all (white) adult men—who were required to own a gun to serve. Waldman recounts the raucous public debate that has surrounded the amendment from its inception to the present. As the country spread to the Western frontier, violence spread too. But through it all, gun control was abundant. In the twentieth century, with Prohibition and gangsterism, the first federal control laws were passed. In all four separate times the Supreme Court ruled against a constitutional right to own a gun.

The present debate picked up in the 1970s—part of a backlash to the liberal 1960s and a resurgence of libertarianism. A newly radicalized NRA entered the campaign to oppose gun control and elevate the status of an obscure constitutional provision. In 2008, in a case that reached the Court after a focused drive by conservative lawyers, the US Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Constitution protects an individual right to gun ownership. Famous for his theory of “originalism,” Justice Antonin Scalia twisted it in this instance to base his argument on contemporary conditions.

In The Second Amendment: A Biography, Michael Waldman shows that our view of the amendment is set, at each stage, not by a pristine constitutional text, but by the push and pull, the rough and tumble of political advocacy and public agitation.

[RVN VET71]

27. Conversely, says the NRA (by implication):

Anyone who wants to drive a car should, well, just get in a car and drive. Insurance and licensing and proficiency tests are communistic, right? Americans should be free-wheeling, drunk-driving, gun-toting, mask-free plague spreaders!

It’s right there in the constitution, after all.

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. Do you have an argument that *isn't* made of straw?

If so, I'd love to read it!

[RVN VET71]

42. Excuse me?

I was supporting a post that delineated the rules and regulations governing, among other things, driver’s licenses and suggesting that if we can’t at least do the same for guns, why not just open the field of permissiveness to include driving automobiles. I apologize if the irony was too subtle. I thought it was obvious.

[friendly_iconoclast]

72. You've insinuated the NRA held a position that they never have, hence a strawman

Granted, the NRA is guilty of many, many sins and they would only be missed by money launderers and their grifting
management- but they were always in favor of gun control for convicted felons and, well, brown people:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-california-open-carry-ban/

[RVN VET71]

141. I thought that saying "by implication" would suffice.

Maybe I’m too subtle. Sorry!

[Tree Lady]

34. I have had similar ideas about guns

Why something so dangerous can be handled like buying a hat is mind boggling.

[Caliman73]

98. Not everywhere.

In California, there are quite a few restrictions on buying firearms. How many you can buy at a time, the type, the capacity, etc... California even has a roster of firearms approved for sale in the state. You also have to take a firearms safety class before you purchase, and you have to renew it every 5 years.

None of the restrictions are too difficult, but it isn't like buying a hat here.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

49. I appreciate it that you frequently post this.

Personally, I'd take away all guns, but your ideas, if actually put into place, would make a huge difference.

[Sancho]

66. I also have no problem with reducing the number of guns...

...the gun lobby is playing wack-a-mol by constantly arguing about the definitions so it's hard to see much progress.

A renewable license would not be a perfect solution, but it would make it much more difficult for dangerous people to possess guns.

[cate94]

50. +1000

There should also be a renewal period, as with a driver’s license.

[AllaN01Bear]

18. first off , we are in a national emergency. you have no rights .

second off . i have had 2 titanium rods up my sipne since i was 16. never once have i tripped any metal detectors with that . the only time i tripped one off is when i forgot to take off my watch.

[Baltimike]

88. this. nt

[Joinfortmill]

20. Horrible. I'm so sorry. As for the shooter, no more HS basketball for him in prison.

[Blue Owl]

30. K&R for visibility and outrage

[BobTheSubgenius]

40. It's unbelievable how small a value is placed on a human life these days.

Certain human lives, by certain people, anyway. What an awful, senseless story.

[Ms. Toad]

61. Sounds to me like this wasn't just about the mask.

Which is important - because portraying it as just about the mask confrontation makes people fearful of asking others to comply with mask orders, which leaves all of us less safe.

[Ziggysmom]

71. Schools need metal detectors. Chicago has had them since the 1990s.

Grocery stores and retail establishments - not needed. But schools put large number of people with sometimes passionate and opposing viewpoints in close proximity.

Call guns what they are - portable killing machines. They and knives and other weapons have NO place in our schools.

[bdamomma]

99. Takes

a life because the assailant did not want to wear a mask.....WTF.

Just sick and sad.

[FelineOverlord]

114. Anti-masker murders police officer who was escorting him away from basketball game

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Chautauquas]

129. The gun nuttery is strong in this thread

lol...doesn't the gun nut forum still exist for those who need to endlessly assert how great guns are?

[raccoon]

132. I hope the trigger happy murderer gats life withou parole. Nt

[soldierant]

133. If responsible gun peole

would step up and write and propose reasonable legislation ...

Legislation regulating driving is mostly written by drivers, and though we don't all agree with everything, we accept it.

Let me put it another was - if responsible gun owners don't draft and propose reasonable regulatory laws, then non-gun-owners will, and then gun owners will bitch.

I have been saying this for literally forty years and I have yet to hear a single proposal from a gun owner for any slight regulation, effective or not, reasonable or not. Crickets.

[SunSeeker]

135. OMFG. That scumbag should never get out of jail!

[Demovictory9]

139. horrible... a life lost over wearing a bit of cloth over someone's mouth

[MustLoveBeagles]

140. Rest in Peace Officer Mitchum