I am very disappointed in Andrew Cuomo

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Very disappointed...

[USALiberal]

1. What was the point?? Nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Are you disappointed in him?

[brush]

38. I am disappointed in Cuomo also. There is a difference between him and Bill Clinton however.

Cuomo was long-divorced when these allegations are supposed to have happened. I say investigate, investigate, investigate.

Most cisgender males are never victims of racism, sexism or any other "ism". And from what demographic would those unawares beings most likely come from? Unwoke, white males of course.

And then there are also the less astute singles/colleagues among us who don't pick up the subtle hints from the opposite, or even same sex, whether there is interest, who plow ahead clumsily without a clue and get themselves in trouble.

And those are the non-bullies, non-power-trippers. The ones in these two categories couldn't give a shit. Cuomo is said to be a bully in political matters. Perhaps he is in relationship matters as well. I don't know, which is why I say investigate, investigate, investigate.

I think he's one of the non-adulterous but clumsy flirters without a clue.

[TexasBushwhacker]

48. He was divorced, but he was in a long term relationship

through 2019. He shouldn't be "flirting" with an employee PERIOD. I just don't understand why men don't get this.

[brush]

61. Newflash: Men are not the only ones who flirt in the workplace.

You have to know that, right?

[LakeArenal]

70. Yep.

Monica Lewinsky being one...

[TexasBushwhacker]

91. And that was inappropriate as well

But more often than not, men are the boss and women are the subordinate. Whoever the subordinate is may feel like they can't discourage their boss's flirting for fear they will lose their job. It isn't just about flirting, it's about power.

[LakeArenal]

92. Inappropriate does not equal sexual misconduct.

[Blue_true]

118. Your third paragraph matches up to one on my experiences.

Until I met one woman, my experiences with women was that I was able to tell whether they were interested or not, the one who were I got to know, the others I left alone. Then I met a woman who gave what I believe today was mixed signals. I didn’t do any harassment of her physically, but I did keep trying to get myself in her presence, until she finally told me that she was not interested, after that I left her alone totally.

But, I was not her boss, we were roughly equals. If I had been her boss, I would have never approached her with romantic intentions, of even give her that impression. That is where I fault Cuomo, maybe it is a she said, he said situation, but he should have known better than to get into such a situation given his status.

[zipplewrath]

2. And Clinton?

Truth is I've been shocked at what liberal politicians think they can do in the public sphere. Power corrupts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. What Clinton did was wrong but it was another time.

And although there was a massive difference in power the relationship was consensual.

[zipplewrath]

9. He. Was. Married.

He had a daughter. It was detrimental to the democratic party and may have contributed to Gore's problems which ended up giving us Bush. The point of being president is to serve, not to get some tail.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Everything you said is true but I don't believe anybody thought Bill Clinton was a faithful husband

I will say Hillary seems to have made peace with who he was and seems to still love him.

[zipplewrath]

22. Yup

And it's not for me to "forgive" him. But he should not have done what he did. I still wonder if we shouldn't have supported his impeachment at that point and put Gore in office. Maybe the Shrub never happens.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I certainly don't approve of adultery.

His behavior was reckless but it was a different era. I doubt he survives it in this milieu.

[moonscape]

44. The adultery was one thing, but it was the

lying under oath and finger wagging that was destructive, regardless how reprehensible Starr was in his pursuit.

[LakeArenal]

72. And.... two consenting adults.

[blueinredohio]

20. My thought always has been (this includes my husband)

Any man who thinks he can get a b.j. and get away with it, is not going to say no.

[zipplewrath]

24. Have and will

Sorry, some of us aren't the scum bags we're supposed to be. I got married later in life and was way past that kind of attitude.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. There is an old saying a man is only as loyal as his opportunities.

On the other hand I believe my parents were faithful.

[Dorian Gray]

111. That's bleak

I fully believe my husband would say no and walk away....

[Budi]

26. True. AND Ms Lewinsky KNEW he was married & had a daughter as well.

And then there's the back drama of Roger Stone & his pal Linda Tripp.

Point being, whatever one claims, as in Tara Reade's case has to also be looked at from the timing of the 'scandal'.

If the scandal is revealed to coordinate with an upcoming election year, ya really have to find out who is behind it & who benefits.

What's shameful is that such 'scandals' have often been exploited for political or monetary, rather than ethical or moral gain at all.

This is what really pisses me off!

[zipplewrath]

32. You give them the gun, expect to be shot

I don't excuse Lewinsky at all. And all of the characters in this play are undesirable. None of that in anyway changes who Clinton was or what he did to the democratic party and the country by HIS decisions.

[Budi]

40. No one says otherwise .

As for this Cuomo 'scandal', I really find nothing here that is of concern since we haven't heard the entire story. One says he tried to kiss her..which was immediately refuted by ALL THE OTHER STAFF IN THE SAME ROOM.

And well, there's an ELECTION approaching.

Funny thing, the timing of this all.
I think Tara Reade was the overkill attempt at manufacturing a scandal that now creates future doubt.
FYI to this Cuomo story, look again st who is behind this push to makeca scandal out of a perception if it even was the truth at all.

Sorry. Thank those who rush the Reade bs that blew up the 'believe them when they say it".

I'll wait for the investigation to reveal the truth.
Not a media rush in an upcoming election year.

There's already been the doubt-of-honesty tossed in the mix so I'll doubt the rest until the truth is told.

Like Tara Reade, there's An Election right up ahead.

[zipplewrath]

42. Tip of the iceberg

We have two accusations, of similar nature. One may be embellished. But his apology appears to acknowledge far too much, regardless of the more serious accusations. And often the behavior is excused by too many for too long so when we finally hear of it, we should understand that it is wider that reported.

[SlogginThroughIt]

43. Have any of the allegations been proven?

No? I didn't think so. It isn't for me to believe or not believe th allegations, but I do know that he has called forr an investigation to be undertaken. I'd welcome waiting to hear the findings of that.

[zipplewrath]

46. He admitted to the least of them

In his apology.

[SlogginThroughIt]

50. Which was what?

[zipplewrath]

52. Sexually inappropriate comments

Which he passed off as humor. Uh huh.

[LakeArenal]

74. You need to hear this again

We've been proven as fools for believing the attempts at targeting an opponant in the recent past, to the point of wisely taking a 'wait for the entire truth to be told' before jumping on that election year smear train again. *


*from Budi post above.

[zipplewrath]

76. So you haven't heard "enough"

Or is this a "let's hold them to our opponents standards instead of ours"?

[Budi]

56. Exactly.

We've been proven as fools for believing the attempts at targeting an opponant in the recent past, to the point of wisely taking a 'wait for the entire truth to be told' before jumping on that election year smear train again.

[joshcryer]

123. I get shit for this every time...

But Lewinsky was a starry eyed socialite who had already had affairs before she went after Clinton, she was just as involved if not more so than Clinton was. She was not this innocent "power dynamics got to me" type of person. Yes she fell into obscurity for 20 some odd years but she writes a million dollar book deal and is sitting rich and happy with a large following of people feeling for her being "bullied."

Meanwhile she tried for a decade to "cash in" on the Lewinsky brand, she had a handbag line, a TV show, wrote books, whole nine yards. It's only when Hillary ran a second time did she get popularity and she latched on to the #MeToo movement with an anti-online bullying angle.

With the idea that things would've been different for her if social media existed back then. A totally ridiculous premise on the face of it. She would've been crucified if we had mass social media back then. As it stands now with her agents and media companies she is able to navigate the intricacies of being a celebrity or having notarity. Nothing she says or does isn't being carefully managed at this point.

[Budi]

125. You'll get no shit from me on the starry eyed lewinsky.

When you did a little deeper behind the media OMG!! & political opponants like Roger Stone is lurking in the background, it's pretty clear that there a damed lot more of the story to be told.


Appreciate your following up to my post & thanks for the real Monica story.

Starry eyed innocent my ass!
Nor are Cuomo's accusors.

Actual fairness wiould be to have a look at some bank deposits.
While we're talking 'scandal' and all.....

[brush]

127. And wasn't she the one who initiated the affair by flashing her thong panties at Clinton?

She certainly wasn't an innocent.

[Jilly_in_VA]

128. Monica Lewinsky

never got any kind of sympathy from me. She was the kind of young woman my grandma would have referred to as "no better than she should be." (I can hear her yet!)

[Ms. Toad]

10. The inability to say no negates apparent consent.

It is relatively common for children abused by a parent, teacher, or much older child to say they consented. Some also say they initiated the contact. However, because they had no realistic ability to say no, true consent was impossible.

I'd say the power differential between leader of the free world and an intern puts it in that same category.

[StevieM]

23. I reject that analogy.

Monica Lewinsky testified that she went to the White House hoping to have an affair with Bill Clinton. She initiated the relationship by flashing him her thong underwear.

You can still argue that he was more to blame than she was because of his older age and higher level of power. But that is not the same thing as saying the he stripped her of her agency over her sexuality. Ms. Lewinsky was not coerced in any way, nor can she legitimately be labeled a victim of workplace harassment.

And she has never once claimed that she was victimized in this way. She has lodged other complaints, including against Bill Clinton, but not that one.

[Ms. Toad]

29. As I said -

In many instances victims say they consented, and some even say they pursued the perpetrator.

[radius777]

33. +1. And the way 'power dynamics' are analyzed

only look at 'institutional power', which of course is important in the analysis, but a younger/hotter/energetic individual can have sexual and emotional power over an older/stressed individual who has more power on paper but may otherwise be weak in other ways.

[radius777]

31. Monica was an adult who aggressively pursued Bill

and even bragged about. Bill was weak and fell for it, then he lied about it and got impeached. Basically, he (and Hillary) were the victims of a well coordinated hit job.

[zipplewrath]

34. "Victim"?

Give me a living break. What'd she do, tie him down? He was an adult capable of making his own decisions. He had multiple opportunities to do the right thing and he missed every single one. And his wife and child paid the price. I don't give a living damn about his law license and his impeachment. "Real men" say no. Public servants say no. Loyal democrats say no. And bajeezus, fathers and husbands say no.

[radius777]

37. He made a mistake that he and his family paid a price for.

The point many are making is there shouldn't be a different standard for Dems.

If we hold the standard 'women are always right/always the victim' we are opening the door for almost any Dem male (and increasingly Dem females as well like Katie Hill who was railroaded) to be 'destroyed' by 'scandals' that don't really matter much in the grand scheme of things.

Keep in mind that Trump, a credibly accused serial abuser, came within 44k votes across 3 states of winning reelection.

It all comes back to how we allow the media and others to frame our 'sins' vs the Repubs' actual sins.

[zipplewrath]

41. That isn't how life works unfortunately

We are held often to the standards WE establish, especially in politics. You can't advocate for one set of standards, to which your political opposition don't agree, and then beg for forgiveness based upon your oppositions lower standards.

[raccoon]

87. Thank you. Nt

[StevieM]

45. The main issue to me is whether or not Bill Clinton was guilty of workplace sexual harassment.

He can certainly be condemned for his behavior in other regards. But I don't believe the details of the story, as provided by Ms. Lewinsky, indicate that he in any way stripped her of her agency over her sexuality.

[zipplewrath]

49. Okay

Nice way to ignore that he was married, he had a teenage daughter, and he was the democratic President of the United States when he decided that the entitled him to free blow jobs in the oval, not to mention a dipping service for his cigars.

[StevieM]

88. Maybe you should read the other comments I made in this sub-thread.

I said that what he did was wrong and is subject to criticism. But the issue that was raised was whether or not he was guilty of workplace sexual harassment. Being guilty of one wrongdoing does not make it OK to unfairly accuse him of other wrongdoings.

[zipplewrath]

96. Did I?

I said what he did was wrong. And I accept no "excuse" for it.

[Ms. Toad]

97. That evil scheming woman

decades younger intern was able to trick one of the most powerful men on earth into whipping out his penis.



As I indicated in my post - if you do not have the ablity to say no, true consent is impossible. The inability to say no includes the person being your boss (with the power to retain or fire you).

As I also indicated - it is not uncommon for the less powerul person to say they consented - and even to say they initiated it. That doesn't change the power dynamics.

Why do you think there are so many places which bar a boss having an affair with their client? Why do you think professions (including the legal profession) bar having afairs with your clients? Why do you think there are statutory rape laws? All of these are premised on the reality that if you are not free to say no, then consent is not true consent.

[radius777]

115. Statutory rape laws exist for minors, not adults.

In a free society there are all types of conditions where power dynamics are involved, and adults either have full power to consent or they don't.

In the case of students I think that is different; there is almost a parental dynamic between a teacher and student.

But in the workplace, regardless of age (as long as adult), it is a slippery slope to claim an adult in a workplace 'lacks the ability to consent' just because of power differences, which can sometimes be in flux (or fuzzy as to who truly has the power).

Monica and Bill were coworkers who engaged in consensual sexual activity. Seems she had alot of power (the Republicans) who came out to support her once the 'scandal' broke, when they proceeded to go after Bill and his family.

[Ms. Toad]

117. As a rape crisis counselor for more than decade,

there is the legal defintion of rape, and then there is the reality of rape (whether the law recognizes the behavior as rape). What the law defines as rape is very different than the emotional devastation experienced by (for example) a wife who cannot be raped by her husband at all (according to the law in some states) or unless he uses force (according to the law in other states). Unless I'm acting in my capacity an attorney, what the law defines as rape or sexual assault is irrelevant to me. Power dynamics are not. If one party does not have the abiilty to reject the advances without consequence, consent is impossible.

Monica and Bill were NOT coworkers. Bill was the president of the United States, one of the most powerful men in the country, if not the world, and decades older than Monica, who was an intern. That is an incredible power difference. The relevant dyamic is the relationship at the sexual activity took place - not who jumps on one side or the other after the fact.

[StevieM]

119. Here is the problem I have with your argument.

I don't think it is fair to assume that every person who ever engaged in sexual activity with a workplace subordinate is a bad human being or a predator. These types of relationships were very common at one point. It wasn't until 2018 that the House of Representatives made them against the rules for members of Congress.

In Bill and Monica's case, there is no accuser. She never said that she lost her sexual agency. I don't think we should convict someone without an accuser. Moreover, Ms. Lewinsky gave very specific details that it is hard to believe she made up in her mind, not just a general proclamation that she wanted it or initiated it. She said that she was looking for the affair before she even got to the White House, and that was verified by people she said it to (before arriving at the White House) who also confirmed it. She said that she engaged in the physical act of showing him her thong underwear, in the hopes of beginning the relationship. These are often specific details to make up in one's mind.

Our standards have since evolved, and I am sure that Bill Clinton has evolved with them. He always struck me as the kind of man who believes that consent is sexy.

[thesquanderer]

129. re: "That is an incredible power difference" - Power cuts both ways.

In some cases, great power is used to get what someone wants from the less powerful.

In other cases, great power acts as an aphrodisiac, and is at least part of the reason the less powerful desires the more powerful, even if the more powerful has no interest.

I don't think you can assume that the more powerful is the one who is more interested in the relationship, or is the aggressor in the relationship.

[treestar]

121. No she planned it

It was consensual. And as such, it still got him into trouble.

[aikoaiko]

104. Even in the 90s we knew it was a bad idea to get a BJ from an intern

Or insert cigars into an intern’s genitals.

It’s not like the 90s were the 80s

[Budi]

17. But not shocked by Republican politicians?

I'm not shocked that the burning desire to out one side of a convo on various degrees of sexuality between 2 people, once or a couple times, only occurs as an election nears.

That's what doesn't shock me anymore at all, after Al Franken, & Roger Stone's meddling in the Clinton, lewinsky & her confidant (republican) Linda Tripp, & Tara Reade & the anti-Biden gang that shoved that story out like wildfire everywhere they could, only to land it with a big poof of nothing.
That's what doesn't shock me nor cause me concern, because the high stakes of preplanning for an upcoming election year opens the doir to all sorts of opportunities.

Pity we never gave Franken the opportunity to even tell his side of the story till it was too fking late.
THAT is why I'll hold off judgement on Cuomo.

[LakeArenal]

71. What Clinton did was two consenting adults...

What was illegal was lying about it.

[zipplewrath]

78. An adult

Who was married, had a child, was POTUS, and knew better.

[LakeArenal]

89. Again that is not what his impeachment was about.

[zipplewrath]

98. Do I care?

His impeachment was about lying, which he did. It's why he surrendered his law license. He was guilty. Was it worth removing him from office? I've wondered about that. Gore would have taken over. It might have prevented the Shrub. And it might have set a standard that the GQP would have had to face with the Orange menace.

[LakeArenal]

100. You want debate something off topic.

My statement is quit judging Cuomo before there’s anything to judge.

We did it with Franken and we all regret that.

Once again there has been an investigation requested. Let’s do that.

My other point is, why now. Why not when it happened? We supposedly have been standing up for ourselves since 1970. But once GOP has an axe to grind Cuomo is hit with nursing home allegations and now harassment allegations.

I want to see how the allegations pan out before I Railroad him out of office.

[zipplewrath]

101. Again

He's already admitted it. What more do you need?

[LakeArenal]

103. I "need" to hear the details.

I need to see, hear or read the results of an investigation.

It’s called due process.

I leaving DU now. Bye.

[zipplewrath]

105. Then listen to him

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He admitted it and explained it. That enough detail for you?

[LakeArenal]

114. Look you can goad me and goad me so now you go to ignore

I said what I said. Read it again.

[radius777]

116. That's a question of personal morality, which

is not really my concern as long as nothing illegal occured.

If we as voters are to throw out any leader who had sexual infidelity - almost everyone would be thrown out.

Many of the people who went after Bill themselves had sex scandals that later came out, such as Newt Gingrich.

[Meowmee]

131. This for sure...

[Autumn]

4. Taking a risk with that, a lot of people are, even Nancy Pelosi is, I'm sure she supports Democrats

though.

[ChubbyStar]

8. You always make me smile

You are a good one Autumn.

[Autumn]

15. You too Star, you too. Sometimes I just shake my head and laugh

As always, a delight to see you.

[liskddksil]

6. I've never liked him, so no more disappointed than before nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I neither liked or disliked him.

I supported him because he has a D after his name.

[liberal_mama]

13. Yeah, I liked the D after his name too, but he's not very liberal

Better than a republican though. I've never been a fan of Cuomo, but he did make me feel better in the early days of the pandemic when it became apparent that Trump wasn't going to do anything to help us. I read a biography of Andrew Cuomo, The Contender, and it was very unflattering.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. "but he's not very liberal..."

That's the least of his problems.

[napi21]

12. In cases like this harassment is in the eye of the person who felt harassed. I worked in business,

in an office environment, from age 17 until I retired. Were there ever "sexually implicit" words among us... Yes of course. Never any outright requests. The conversations came from all sides, both male & female. I don't mean to dismiss harassment. It certainly occurs, but I believe we need to be careful not to interpret everything that way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. This is a new era with new rules.

[bullimiami]

28. It is not. It's the same rules and people have not changed.

People will still pull shit and some will get away with it.

Why the rush to cut him at the knees with no due process and nothing but some accusations?

Clinton was wrong. Infidelity. That’s between him and Hillary. Lying. That’s our problem.
Consensual relations between adults though is not a crime.

Franken was railroaded. Worst by his own party.
He deserved due process. Asked for it and got pressured.

Cuomo deserves due process. Flirting is not a crime. Misinterpretation is not a crime. One persons flirting could make another uncomfortable. Still. Not a crime. Maybe not even slightly nefarious.

Then again maybe there is something there. Due process. He asked for it.

[zipplewrath]

30. I watched this through 37 years

Those who did this stuff thought they could "get away with it". In the early days they could. But as time went on they slowly learned that they could get away with less. Even at the end there were those idiots that somehow thought they could "still get away with it". They always knew what they were doing, they just wanted to push the envelope.

Look, I was a major horn dog in college and to some extent have become embarrassed over the years by what I did. But I knew full well when I got into professional life that all of that had to stop. And that was now 40 years ago. Don't give me that "it was a different time" crap. These guys leveraged the "permissions" that society gave them. It's long past time that they be held to the standards that existed 40 years ago, even if rarely enforced.

[zipplewrath]

51. Yeah, that's the take away

Your avoidance of the issue at hand it duly noted.

[SlogginThroughIt]

55. I am not avoiding anything.

I want to know exactly what he did and what he is guilty of. You are avoiding the result of an investigation and want to bring out the firing squad immediately. YOU are the only one avoiding anything. You do not seem to want to know what happened. Why?

[zipplewrath]

62. He's already admitted it

What more do you need?

[SlogginThroughIt]

67. I would like to know the entire context.

What all was at play? Were there any other contributing factors in what was said? Does it warrant his removal of governor?

[SlogginThroughIt]

68. Do you happen to know what he has admitted to saying?

I don’t know what it is that he is alleged to have said. Do you?

I cannot find it.

It would be pretty hard for me to demand someone remove themself from their job without knowing what was said. He has admitted he may have offended someone but I can’t find anything about what he allegedly said.

[liberal_mama]

35. Me too! When I was a young woman, I heard suggestive comments

and flirting like this constantly. If I wanted to report all the men who made comments to me, it would have been a full time job! I just ignored them mostly. When I was in high school, the teachers were especially bad. I remember complaining to my mother about it and she said, "That's just how men talk." Someone needs to have a talk with men of a certain age and tell them it's not acceptable to talk that way anymore.

[leftyladyfrommo]

57. Really. And we just handled it if guys were out of line.

My first job was in a bank in KCMO. One of the Chiefs was in trouble for rape. The President of the bank just said, " Boys will be boys."

We warned each other about handsy guys.

It wasn't right but it was like that every where.

[LPBBEAR]

18. Don't be....

There's a good chance this is more smoke than fire. Let an independent investigation play out. I have a feeling the trail might turn out to lead directly to Trump through someone like Roger Stone or Veritas pulling the typical dirty tricks against people Trump perceives as enemies or contenders for the national political spotlight.
Look at recent so called "scandals". Newsom, Liberty Project etc. What do they have in common? All high profile and anti Trump.

[Dem4Life1102]

36. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence

But women have the right to have their accusations taken seriously and fully investigated.

[Thekaspervote]

79. Indeed! The woman who accused Al Franken turned out to be good friends with donnie jr

I smell a republican

[treestar]

122. True. Dump did perceive Cuomo as an enemy

Some of it could be outright lies

[LAS14]

19. Now that he's let us know the allegations are true, I can rest in my judgement.

HOW COULD YOU BE SO STUPID!!!!!!! THIS IS THE ME TOO ERA!!!! Anyone that stupid can't be trusted with high office.

[zipplewrath]

39. Has been for decades

I've know for 40 years you can't do this crap. Look, I was having a conversation with a collection of subordinates about infectious diseases. Somewhere along the line a female subordinate said "your body is amazing", and then paused. What she really meant was "our" bodies are amazing. What she ultimately continued with was a comment about the human bodies ability to defend itself against diseases. But in her initial pause, I said "well, women tell me that all the time". I just couldn't resist the obvious punch line. But later I went and apologized, I said that I knew immediately it was inappropriate. She laughed it off, but I knew by her response that she appreciated that I apologized. Not because she actually thought that it was wrong, but that it was the kind of "off ramp" that could too soon escalate. And not even necessarily for me, but for anyone else standing there when I said that. Ultimately it becomes "permission" for others to take it one more step, and then one more step. And ultimately it becomes the responsibility of women to have to decide which step is a step too far. That isn't right. Men should stand up and "decide'. I ultimately told everyone was standing there that I knew what I said was wrong. Many disagreed and though it was a cute joke. But ultimately they knew that it was no "off ramp" and that they'd better understand that it was a barrier and they should respect it.

Cuomo thought he was special. He ain't that special.

[BannonsLiver]

53. Wow

Not one, but two posts regaling us with stories of one’s past love life I think most here could have done without.

[Budi]

59. eeeyup

[zipplewrath]

63. Ha!

Okay, I probably deserved that.

[LAS14]

102. No you didn't deserve that! It was an interesting comment. Thanks! nt

[Polybius]

126. Something just clicked

Funny people (and "that's what she said" crowd) may tend to get into trouble with sexual things more than non-funny people. Take your reply for instance. Take Al Franken. I may be onto something.

[zipplewrath]

130. Yes

But is i because society tends to make "excuse" for jokes. The problem is that it is one thing for a stand up comic to discuss these issues with a congregation. It is another thing for a man in power, to do it with a woman in a vulnerable position Even more, it is something entirely different for a man in a position of influence to set a new "lower bar" in dealing with a coworker.

[TrogL]

21. You are doing that in a Marvin the Martian voice, right?

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[sfstaxprep]

81. Marvin The Martian nt

[TrogL]

124. Fixed

[mvd]

54. While I wish he followed more in Mario's footsteps..

I thought he was a good leader and calming influence during the early days of the pandemic. I hope he turns out in the clear, but there should be an investigation.

[Mr.Bill]

58. I'll reserve judgement on Mr. Cuomo

until some more investigating is done. These things have a way of turning 180 in a matter of a week or two.

[roamer65]

60. I am reserving judgment.

Especially after how unfairly Al Franken was treated.

[zipplewrath]

64. After he admitted to it?

Or just on the stuff to which he had objected?

[Hugh_Lebowski]

69. He admitted that he sexual harassed people? Can you point me to this admission? nt

[kcr]

83. Here you go:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-admits-to-insensitive-comments-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations/vi-BB1e7WAm?li=BBnb7Kz

[Hugh_Lebowski]

85. Yeah, I knew of those.

And it's not what I asked about.

[kcr]

86. What else is there?

That's all that's being talked about.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

93. I specifically asked if he had admitted to sexual harassing people.

You provided evidence that he's admitting to making some insensitive comments.

These are not synonymous terms.

[harumph]

99. The headline only says

Cuomo admits to insensitive comments amid sexual harassment allegations.

IOW he admits to insensitive comments (but) not sexual harassment. Did his insensitivity rise to
sexual harassment? A fair investigation will determine that.

[zipplewrath]

107. Did you read his explanation?

He attributes it to a bad sense of humor. He apologize for making people feel threatened.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

112. Okay. Well, when I think of the term 'sexual harassment', to me

there's an implication that the person doing it actually has sexual intentions towards the person, and/or is purposefully making them feel uncomfortable about their sex life/choices, etc.

AFA I've read, he hasn't admitted to sexually harassing anyone, by the definition that I believe makes sense.

[zipplewrath]

113. Not his governments definition

Nor any corporate policy would reflect your definition. What he admits to doing would get you in trouble in any major corporation and is almost assuredly a violation of NY government policies.

[uponit7771]

106. I don't see where Cuomo admitted to sexually harassing people

[beaglelover]

65. Me too. Enough of eating our own already!

[Thekaspervote]

77. +1000

[Hugin]

90. Considering these accusations happened to coincide with CPAC...

and the Emperor of Florida's big come back.

I'm going to give it a spell to pan out.

The timing stinks.

[uponit7771]

109. +1

[Jilly_in_VA]

66. How come

Democrats are held to a MUCH higher standard than Repugs? Always. And without fail. Hmmmmm?

[CentralMass]

75. Well, collectively republicans are a bag of assholes. They have no standard.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

94. Well, there is the unwritten 'IOKIYAR Doctrine' that is invariably adhered to by the Establishment

Esp. the M$M.

For starters.

[lillypaddle]

73. Generational sexism

I am disappointed in him as well. I was furious with Bill Clinton. And Al Franken, well, I do cut him some slack because he was a comedian and that sort of sophomoric behavior was always treated as being funny in those days.

I do think that there is a certain generational sexism that exists among some of a certain age. I am NOT excusing it, but just reflecting on how some of us older people were raised. I remember my parents using shot glasses with a cartoony woman with big boobs on them, and when they were raised bottoms up, she became naked. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink was always there, when everything seemed to be a dirty joke just waiting to be acknowledged. Maybe it's because people were so sexually repressed, I don't know.

What a relief that things have indeed changed for the better. But I'm not naive enough to think it's just older people like those I named. As a woman who scorned wearing a bra back in the day, one had to have spine to exist and progress in the workplace.

[lindysalsagal]

80. He's been screwing w NY state school funding for years: The teachers all hate him.

He's good at covid and maybe emergencies, but he's a power hungry manipulator.

I don't know about the personal allegations.

[Rustyeye77]

82. I'm sorry... people who work together sometimes step over

a blurred line.

We really don’t know what the conversations that lead to his comments. And he probably doesn’t remember because it didn’t mean that much to him because was probably innocent banter.

Look at Al Franken. He was run out of town over a stupid photo and most people here were outraged.

That’s right ..hang him by his b*lls.

Doesn’t matter what he has done as Governor . Did.he say some things..probably. No chance at redemption Andrew... you’re done

I’m sorry if I offended anyone.

Flame away

[RANDYWILDMAN]

95. This feels like Mud being slung at him. Remember Al Franken

never forget.

Bob Packwood from my state of Oregon fought allegations, altered his diary , lied to congress and has 19 women former staffers accuse him and he fought for over 3 years ! because it's ok if your a republican.

[uponit7771]

108. +1, I remember someone complaining that he grabbed their fat roll in a picture ...

... and I remember putting my arm around people or giving hugs.

I know some people can go too far, I'm going to hold judgment ... Franken still comes to mind.

[Azathoth]

110. Worth remembering that Cuomo wasn't a Dem hero until the pandemic

when he filled the leadership gap left by the incompetent orange menace.

Before that, he was just another New York politician. He was the guy who accused Obama of "shucking and jiving". His political success was largely a function of having a revered Democratic last name in a state where the GOP is a permanent minority that runs performance art pieces like Carl Paladino instead of serious candidates.

[treestar]

120. I don't get why

He’d do it. He is smart. He knows Democrats don’t approve. Why did he not know better? Did he not notice the Franken case?