Manchin asked if there's a point where he would change his mind on the filibuster.

[demmiblue]

Manchin asked if there’s a point where he would change his mind on the filibuster.

Turns around to yell, “NEVER”

“Jesus Christ! What don’t you understand about never?”

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[SheilaAnn]

1. Every time I hear or read his name my BP rises. I want to trash it but then there might be good

news that I would miss.

[jorgevlorgan]

2. A sudden senate vancancy in KY

Before they are able to change the succession rules would be great right about now....

[LiberalFighter]

3. He demonstrates that he will never compromise.

I could turn that around on him and if he asked me what I thought of him.

I would reply he was stupid!

Jesus Christ! What don't you understand about stupid?

I would hope I would be wrong.

[OAITW r.2.0]

4. He represents 1.8MM people.

Pre cheeky to stick it to the 81MM Democrats that voted for Biden and change in Washington, DC. If we had a few more D's in the Senate, I'd encourage him to change affiliation to Independent or even Republican.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

6. No reason for him to change affiliation, especially if we had a few more Ds in the Senate.

[OAITW r.2.0]

9. True, but at least his we could ignore him.

[JI7]

7. Becsuse people in his state didn't vote for Biden

[bullimiami]

20. no they voted for him knowing he was a democrat.

[NurseJackie]

8. I wouldn't.

I'd encourage him to change affiliation to Independent or even Republican.

I wouldn't.

[still_one]

14. Exactly. I wish some folks would understand we need him to maintain the majority in the Senate

now, and trying to tell him not to be a Democrat is taking unnecessary risk with the very narrow majority we have

[TwilightZone]

23. "I'd encourage him to change affiliation"

That would be remarkably short-sighted. What happens if we lose seats in the next cycle and he would have been #51?

Alas, it doesn't matter because there's zero reason for him to switch, protestations like yours notwithstanding. He's quite happy being the only person in the entire country who can hold a Senate seat as a Democrat in a state that Trump won by 40%.

[brush]

5. He seems to be an inflexible a-hole. The filibuster is not in the Constitution. It's a remnant of...

racism. It obstructs much needed legislation like infrastructure, voting rights/gerrymandering etc.

It should be gotten rid of asap but dinos like Manchin and Sinema persist in mimicking being republicans.

[aocommunalpunch]

10. So, the filibuster is worth more than...

...everything. I wasn’t aware how valuable it is.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Removing the filibuster is the only way Dems stay in power. Nt

[TwilightZone]

24. Nonsense.

Biden's approval rating is 60% and climbing. If we stop complaining that it's filibuster or bust and actually push parts of his agenda that people support and can get 50 votes, 2022 is far from lost. On the contrary, assuming that people don't do what they did to Obama in his first mid-term and stay home because they didn't get a pony, we could pick up a couple of seats.

I find it hilarious that people have already written off 2022 based on nothing but the filibuster. It's truly laughable.

[Fiendish Thingy]

25. Without the VRA Dems lose 6 seats and the house majority through gerrymandering alone

And that is before a single vote is cast.

It doesn’t matter if Biden’s approval is 100%, without the voting rights bill, which requires killing the filibuster, Dems will lose the house in 2022, and the voter suppression laws in the works will almost certainly cost them the senate.

The GOP’s plan is to rig the system for minority rule starting in 2022 and lasting for a decade or more.

You clearly don’t understand the legislative process when you say:

If we stop complaining that it's filibuster or bust and actually push parts of his agenda that people support and can get 50 votes, 2022 is far from lost.

COVID relief, minus the minimum wage section, will pass via reconciliation. That leaves one more bill that can be passed through reconciliation before 2022. The Biden administration has signalled that the next reconciliation bill will be for infrastructure.

That means that everything else- immigration, voting rights, equality, climate, health care, court reform, childcare, college debt, all of it can and will be blocked by the filibuster.

The voting rights bill would prevent the GOP from rigging the system through gerrymandering and voter suppression, but can’t pass with the filibuster intact. It’s the only thing standing between democracy and a decade plus of rigged minority rule.

If you don’t understand the stakes, you are the one with your head in the sand.

[Deminpenn]

11. WVa is desperately poor

Why anyone would stand in the way of help for this state? If the GOP used the filibuster to block progress or help for my state, I'd be first in line to vote to end the filibuster.

Further, Senators can still filibuster, they just can't announce a filibuster because there aren't 60 votes to overcome it. As Norm Ornstein said, make this type of filibuster be active opposition. Opponents would have to produce 41 NO votes for it to succeed. I seriously doubt 41 R senators are willing to go on record voting against a raise to the min wage. After all, plenty of these workers are in their base of disaffected and aggrieved voters.

[Yavin4]

13. Because WVa is designed that way.

It's intentional to keep that state in perpetual poverty. Makes it easier to run roughshod over them by coporations and for politicians to demagogue them.

Keep the people poor, ignorant, and in the dark, and they will vote for assholes like Joe Manchin.

[still_one]

12. There are two ways to deal with Manchin on this:

1. Have at least a two seat majority in the Senate
2. Modify the filibuster rules

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. That can't happen with Manchin's obstruction- by 2022 it will be too late. Nt

[dsc]

15. He will cost us every single, solitary seat in a state with a GOP trifecta

because there will be voting rights laws so restrictive that Blacks will be all but banned from voting.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. So Manchin will doom Dems to lose their majorities in 2022, and for a decade or more.

Because unless the filibuster is killed, the For The People voting rights act can’t pass, and if the voting rights act doesn’t pass, gerrymandering and voter suppression laws by state legislatures will enable republicans to control both houses (and with proposed laws on changing electoral vote certifications, the WH) despite only having support of a minority of voters.

I’m not the only one who believes this; numerous liberal political experts support this perspective, including former Obama advisor Dan Pfeiffer.

The stakes couldn’t be higher, for the party, or America’s democracy.

If Manchin sticks with this position, and refuses to support killing the filibuster, and, as a result, Dems lose control of the house and senate in 2022, Manchin must suffer severe political consequences- strip him of all committee assignments, and expel him from the Democratic caucus.

[BradAllison]

21. Joe doesn't need black people to win

"We should respect that".


/s

[BradAllison]

19. LOL West Virginia is a fucking dump

It's good to know this is what they care about. It explains everything.