we fucking eat our own

[demtenjeep]

every dog dang time.


we need to stick together. All of it


close ranks go after the q berts.




that is our goal. STOP fighting with each other

[underpants]

1. If this is true about Cuomo, he screwed up

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if any part of either of these stories is true (and it sure looks like it is) he needs to go.

[JoeOtterbein]

66. +1

We don't need to be spending a second defending the defenseless.

[Demsrule86]

101. Oh please...this is a coordinated attack and the stories the women tell are nonsense...the latest

one said she was assaulted because she was kissed on the cheek at a wedding. I was sexually assaulted and was hospitalized...next came therapy. I can't tell you how angry these women make me. They make it likely that women who have really experienced assault or harassment won't be believed. If we don't put an end to this, the GOP will go after every powerful Democrat. They already tried to take back Virginia with the same sort of allegations.

If Northam and Fairfax had not stayed strong, the GOP would now be in charge...as they intended to get rid of the next Democrat, the AG as well with a charge of 'black face' and or sexual assault. You would think would have learned our lesson by now.

[brooklynite]

2. I take it you're referring to the third charge against Cuomo?

Party over truth?

[uponit7771]

11. Franken !? Or we supposed to act like that that never happened? tia

[Thekaspervote]

13. Lest we forget the first women that accused Franken was good friends with donnie jr

[brooklynite]

14. ...and the other seven?

[Thekaspervote]

19. Let the investigation go forward..and stop with the rest

[uponit7771]

38. Which one, the person who thought their side fat was squeezed too hard? No, we'll

... wait seeing what happened to Franken

[Trueblue1968]

41. 4 women were Anonymous... they didn't even provide a name.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-al-frankens-accusers-accusations-made/story?id=51406862

[brooklynite]

48. Yes they did; the news outlets that reported their stories withheld them...

[ahoysrcsm]

74. I forget what news outlet was that?

[uponit7771]

36. +1

[pazzyanne]

59. When this worked with Al Franken, the repubs tried it again with...

...Keith Ellison just before the 2018 MN state election. Same MO as with Al, but this time it didn't work and Keith won. Still wish Al was in the US Senate.

[dmr]

85. They also tried it with Robert Mueller

But it failed before it could gain any traction. Rest assure that if it had gained traction, those on the right would have blown it up far and wide -- totally discrediting the man and the 2016 Russian investigation.

Then there was Elliot Spitzer ...

But good ole Donald (and pals) can do whatever he (they) damn well pleases ...

[pazzyanne]

86. Guess it took us a while to fully catch on, huh.

So sick of the dirty tricks!

[Dorian Gray]

91. The Robert Mueller

dumbfuckery was done by two idiots, not the "victims" themselves.

This (and Al Franken) is different. It's different because you have democratic women coming forward. You have people with names and true accounts, and not dumb and dumber holding press conferences in their driveway with their flies open.

The absolute hypocrisy of people not wanting to hold power to account because it's a Dem is astounding to me.

The outrage over the horrible things that Republicans withstood to circle their wagons is meaningless when we are wiling to do the same and not call out improper behavior.

[lapucelle]

39. Truth is important. That's why investigations are conducted. N/T

[Thekaspervote]

3. +1,000,000

[LakeArenal]

8. Trolls are on the move.

Put on Ignore a couple so far.

[msongs]

4. biden got the most votes in history yet other dems are blocking. sad nt

[Celerity]

7. I think the OP is about Cuomo

[cilla4progress]

5. Accountability?

???

[mopinko]

6. let the investigation go forward.

and yeah, let's stop hanging ppl for misdemeanors when there are murderers running lose.

[LakeArenal]

10. Yep

[uponit7771]

9. Franken, I'll wait cause same theme's seem to be going on now as then. No investigation, they're

... guilty of any accusations like someone squeezing fat too hard in a picture or something.

Nah, I'll wait

[Enter stage left]

12. Tell everyone, Cuomo will resign when Abbott resigns about his...

HORRIBLE response to the Texas freeze.

It is past time to be the only ethical, honest party running in this country.

WE LOSE ONE, YOU LOSE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brooklynite]

15. "It is past time to be the only ethical, honest party running in this country."

So we should be another unethical one?

[Enter stage left]

22. When you are fighting with the Queensberry rules...

and they're fighting like full contact martial arts...

YES, It's time to fight like they do, they won't follow the rules, quit trying to be the "good" guys. fight like they do.

DO NOT TRY TO SAY WE STARTED THIS, THEY STARTED THIS, WE NEED TO RESPOND!

[brooklynite]

23. "But MOM, he hit me first!"

[Enter stage left]

27. But mom, he has being hitting me first for the last 50 years...

Mom: hit back, harder, faster, but with control.

One of the first things you learn in martial arts.

[Dorian Gray]

92. What the fuck?

What are we fighting for?

To hold power?

No thank you.

I want to fight for what is right. Even if it hurts me sometimes. I want to fight to help people. To get education funded. To get people jobs and assistance and health care. And to have honorable people working to do those things for us as a nation.

I don't want to accept abhorrent behavior because they're on "our side."

And I've said all along that I think Cuomo can withstand this. But he should face consequences and reevaluate his behacior/make amends.

But i do NOT want to accept that people can treat people like shit and harass women because they're on our side. Nope.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

84. Trial by internet chatter is not ethical.

My post on another thread....

Contempt prior to investigation is one of our biggest evils. It's corrosive to our society and is now amplified 1000X on social media. It eats away at unity. We have no right to appoint ourselves detective, police officer, prosecutor, judge, jury or executioner.

Democrats should strive to not participate.

---------

No one here is approving of sexual harassment or any other misbehavior but amplifying hearsay prior to thorough legal investigation is feeding the right-wing spin machine and they love it.

I refuse to waste my time searching the web for validity of accusations against a human being I don't know personally and have not been appointed his/her official critic.

KY

[Thekaspervote]

17. Absolutely that f..ker in TX is responsible for letting an 11 yr old die of hyperthermia

[progressoid]

103. Well, Cuomo isn't looking too good on that front either.

[Kingofalldems]

16. Right wing trolls see an opening.

Just like the Al Franklin situation.

[Hekate]

18. Think on this, people: that's TWO powerful Dem governors on the hit list. Think, people, THINK. nt

[Thekaspervote]

21. Absolutely!! We should be asking why now...better yet, just let the investigation go forward

And stop assuming!!

[Sur Zobra]

29. Who is the 2nd?

Spitzer?

[MustLoveBeagles]

32. I think Hekate is referring to Governor Newsome

[Hekate]

80. California Gov Gavin Newsom is facing a recall election courtesy of the GOP

Bitterly,
Hekate

[roamer65]

37. Governor Cuomo and Newsom.

The fucking Trumpists tried to assassinate my governor, Governor Whitmer.

[Hekate]

81. Yep, that makes three. I'll add her to my list, because she's not safe from them yet. nt

[empedocles]

20. Dems who attack Dems get PUBLICITY! Some even become media 'personages'.

[JI7]

31. Who ?

[ahoysrcsm]

75. Exactly, they are no longer in the spotlight.

It's the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, more over at Fox News pushing this. Not to mention all the RW hate radio pushing for Cuomo to be removed. Why again are will following lock step with the RW to eat the Democrats?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. Only when our own serve themselves up.

[Pongo]

87. This is exactly the truth.

I was disappointed in Clinton too, in Edwards, in Cunningham. I don't understand why men can't understand this behavior is not acceptable. I'm fine with an investigation, but this isn't looking good.

[bdamomma]

25. WE need to stick

together, period. The GQP does not have a party, we do.

[RKP5637]

96. K&R!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[beaglelover]

26. No resignations until the accusations are proven. The lastest attacker seems to be smiling in the

picture that was captured. She does not look terrorized.

[Dem4Life1102]

33. Not so sure

[Klaralven]

45. How did the back bar get in front of his chin?

[ancianita]

51. Good question.

[gipper66]

34. Yeah, I bet she loved it

I wonder what she was wearing.

Disgusting.

[Lancero]

46. Woman have had to grin and bear with behavior like this for decades.

Benefits of being in a position of power - People have no other option but to put up with distasteful behavior. It's how a male-dominated society has conditioned them to act.

It's changing. Slowly. No matter how many people cry 'but look and her clothes!' or 'but she didn't fight back, that means she liked it!'.

[whopis01]

61. Wow. Just fucking wow.

Didn’t expect to see this type of thing here

[Pongo]

90. I agree with you. There's another thread in which people posted responses I was really surprised to

see on this forum.

[stillcool]

28. there's a reason why this story is like

a blanket smothering the internet. Wish I knew what that is. Are people really that interested with bringing down a Governor from New York? And why is it so easy? Allegations of using language that made a person uncomfortable, hinting at a desire for a sexual relationship, and attempting to kiss without consent. Allegations of. Yeah, fry the bastard?

[Progressive Jones]

30. Let the investigations run their course. nt

[tiredtoo]

35. Why do Democrats have to eat their own

And republicans just ignore this type of activity? Just curious.

[Mr.Bill]

40. Yeah, we just had a serial rapist

finish his term as President, ffs.

[superpatriotman]

42. Because we demand better

And they demand worse.

[Lisa0825]

43. I was going to post my own reply, but I will just say +1. nt

[ancianita]

55. No we don't demand better. We demand perfect. PERFECT.

They demand money and winning.

[ahoysrcsm]

77. Becasue we place out Democratic elected officials on a pedistal....

and the moment, the very second they are not living up to that god like status, we toss them into the trash.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

47. Yes, how dare we have standards and hold people to them.

[ancianita]

52. What standards -- the allegation standard! It's a bullshit standard.

There were no formal complaints made before recently, no lawyers, no charges filed.
This is all assumed but none of that happened.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

60. Yes, people using their words to talk about things that happened to them cannot possibly be trusted.

[ancianita]

65. Yes, let's make "on second thought my feelings were hurt!" our public ethics & group therapy ritual.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

95. But that's not what people are saying.

[treestar]

105. At least look into it; we are not required to believe every single word

Allegations alone should not be used; that's unjust. Anyone can make an allegation.

[Tommymac]

106. Um, people lie. All people.

That is why We have enshrined Innocent until PROVEN guilty in Our Constitution.

That is why we have a Justice System.

I trust NO One. But I don't judge them before the facts are on the table either. In a She said/He said case this will not be until testimony UNDER OATH is given and cross examined.

[BannonsLiver]

58. It's not that they glorify it

They just don’t give a shit what people think. Their calculation is voters will forget and move on or are unlikely to punish or reward them either way.

That calculation is usually pretty accurate and generally has worked out well for them politically.

[Ford_Prefect]

44. The proof is what we need to see. Not attitude and anger over an issue.

There are very good reasons to do this by the numbers and in correct order. Bitching and moaning may feel right but it doesn't make the truth any clearer.

When Al was railroaded by ME Too sentiment combined with Roger Stone trolling the feelings inside OUR party and here on DU were ugly indeed. Speaking of it was banned at one point.

He was never given a chance by our own party. People who, for the best reasons, were wrong and still made it happen. I still have very strong feelings about that and I don't plan on forgiveness any time soon.

However...This time the evidence MUST drive the response. For better or worse it must be the truth we deal with because TRUMP and his minions never have and insist on their reality the measure of truth.

[MontanaMama]

49. Can we agree to support an investigation?

Let’s not do the QGOP’s work for them. Due process. We are all entitled to it. Even Democrats who make mistakes are entitled to due process.

[BannonsLiver]

50. Good luck with that.

There’s not a single GOP pol that would step down under the same circumstances. We obviously should not strive to emulate their behavior but I’ve also seen no real tangible upside politically to “doing the right thing” either.

Most people don’t give a shit. And Americans have almost zero capacity for nuance. Nobody is ever going to say “I was so impressed by the way the Democrats handled Andrew Cuomo. That makes me inclined to vote for more of them in the future.”

Instead it’ll be “both sides” from both the media and everyone else. So he can go, or not. Doesn’t really matter to me. But I’ve seen a few comments saying that doing the right thing will distinguish us from the GOP and voters will notice and in theory, reward Dems. The reality is that dog just doesn’t hunt. It never has.

[Gore1FL]

53. We need to take every accusation seriously.

I don't think that is eating our own as much as it is standing on principles. The Franken situation was not taking the accusation seriously. It was over-reacting to the situation.

Cuomo gets his day in court. So do his accusers. I wish Franken and his accusers were given that same privilege.

[ancianita]

54. Yes we do, at the drop of an allegation. I'll say this: on Franken's, Biden's, Newsom's and Cuomo's

WORST day they are better than ANY Republican on their best day. Forever.

[demtenjeep]

107. exactly

and its funny but this thread was about many gripes about the Democrats

but it has all landed on the Gov

[wnylib]

56. The timing is suspicious and there is

no doubt that the GQP is drooling over this. My own Trumpist congressman is planning a run for governor in 2022 and is spouting righteous indignation that he never even hinted at regarding the orange fascist.

I say withhold conclusions until the investigations are done. But, it does not look good for Cuomo at this point. The Dem AG, Letitia James, is good, and she is taking this very seriously. Dems in the state legislature are, too. Politically, it is a combination of Dems on the left and all GQPers who are pushing this.

Cuomo himself now says that he said things jokingly that he now realizes were insensitive and misinterpreted.

There are also allegations that Cuomo's decision to send covid patients to nursing homes was based on nursing home contributions to his campaign.

If the investigations prove that any of the accusations or allegations are true, I will be very disappointed and will feel let down by him. He has done a lot of good for the state.

I will reserve judgment until all the facts are in. But right now, it looks like the state Dem party had better have a strong back up candidate ready for 2022. I suspect that the Progressive left DOES have someone in mind. It better be someone strong and not just an ideological preference.

[Joe Nation]

57. If we tolerate it in our ranks, we're no better than Republicans.

They tolerate it. That defines them. We don't. That defines us.

[Dem4Life1102]

62. Good point

[ancianita]

64. What "it" do we tolerate, that makes us "no better than Republicans." Please proceed.

[beaglelover]

100. Well we seemed to tolerate the gov of VA in blackface a short time ago. Why wasn't he forced to

resign???

[Aussie105]

63. Let the investigations proceed without comment.

But as a male it's hard to know where to draw the line.

Will an innocent touch of affection be interpreted as inappropriate and a breech of personal space?
Will it be recorded and brought forward years later, as an example of sexual harassment?

I'm a retired high school teacher. 40 years of practice at being inoffensive.

I've learnt:
1. Not to touch any student, for whatever reason at all, unless safety is involved.
If a student falls down, or is in a situation of personal danger, one may guide that student to a safer position by touching their elbow. And have your logic ready for when it's deemed inappropriate.

2. Not to make any personal comments about a student, even if intended as a compliment.

3. Not to be alone in a room with single student.

Personal cost?
I have trouble showing affection towards female relatives. No spontaneous hugging of daughters, grand daughters.
If they hug me, I just freeze. Can't help it.

Now if you are a young man, often in the company of well dressed, well groomed women, and looking for a partner, you are going to try the first move.

But no female wears a sign that says 'I am interested!' or 'No hugging, no kissing, and no long looks!'

[ZonkerHarris]

67. the difference between us and the GOP is accountability. We do it. They don't.

[ancianita]

71. Accountability known as a hatchet job in the press. We let them do that, too, like they did with

Hillary's emails. The NYT did that. Cable news did that. So now the AG goes to work.

We should be better at accountability than pre-judging a Democratic leader before all the facts are in -- not just some collection of testimonies about male interest as literal predation.

[ZonkerHarris]

72. The Cuomo accusations are not "Hillary's emails". That's some false equivalence there

[ancianita]

73. Same kernal of truth press playbook. And now the party judges line up ahead of the facts.

It's called believing the hype.

This isn't about what really happened. Those facts will come out. This is about the end result.

If he resigns and Hochul takes over, she will be run hard against by Republicans, as Cuomo was.

I hope she wins. But if she doesn't -- Republicans have run that state before -- whoever is in office will give Trump a state level pardon.

[ZonkerHarris]

78. there have been 3 GOP Govs of NYS since 1923.

[ancianita]

79. Your point?

[ZonkerHarris]

82. If you don't understand that then you won't understand the explanation either.

Sleep on it.

[Celerity]

83. That is factually incorrect, there have been 4, and over the past 78 years, Rethugs have controlled

the NY Governorship for 40 of those 78 years. Over half.

starting January 1, 1943:

Thomas E. Dewey 12 years

Nelson Rockefeller 15 years

Malcolm Wilson (probably the one you forgot, and he was not elected, so perhaps you only meant elected Governors) 1 year

George Pataki 12 years

[orangecrush]

68. Wait and see.

[hay rick]

70. I'm a fan of collecting evidence before rendering a verdict. nt

[crickets]

76. +1

[orangecrush]

104. +1

[Old Enough 2]

69. Why destroy our brightest and most aggressive?

Who do we drum out next? Anyone who farts out of tune?

[Pongo]

88. Do you think that our politicians should not be held to the very standards we ourselves consider

important? I think President Biden would disagree with you.

[kcr]

89. We fucking want to let women be collateral damage

Just because the GOP doesn't give a shit about women doesn't mean we have to be that way. Just Stop it. Stop.

[Pongo]

93. I think you said it best. Now, since I just discovered the trash thread function, I think this will

be my first. Some of the responses here really surprise me on a Democratic board.

[ansible]

108. It's not really surprising, some think party loyalty matters more

[hamsterjill]

94. It just gets absurd.

So, who is next? Joe? Because you’ve seen all of the pictures circulated with him “smelling” children? Innocent gestures can be made criminal if manipulated.

Where does it end?

Yes, accusers should be heard. But at what point does it become more about smearing someone for political gain, and less about victim’s rights? Timing is always interesting to me.

[RKP5637]

97. It's really swift-boating again. And the story becomes magnified and sets a primacy in ones mind.

The GOP loves to reinforce it ... over and over again. ... eventually guilty or innocent, the subjective feeling will be guilty. And those in the middle often become parrots.

[hamsterjill]

98. Absolutely.

I won’t be able to say this in a way that it won’t be construed as not taking victims seriously, so I’ll get flamed. I’m sure.

But times change. What may have been deemed acceptable at some point in time becomes unacceptable. I see a lot of that in these sexual harassment cases in my opinion. I mean, placing his hand on her back when she was wearing a backless dress, one might wonder why she chose that outfit. My point - it goes both ways.

I’m a strong female and for me, personally, the best address for unwanted behavior has always been for the woman (or man) to tell the offender to stop. If that doesn’t work, slap the shit out of them and embarrass them in public. To wait years to bring an act of harassment public and doing that when it serves political gain raises my suspicions regardless of party.

[RKP5637]

99. Yes, I feel the same. I also recall years ago it was OK to touch someone at work, we all did it, but

not in a sexual or unwanted way. Some of that today could really be construed as completely unacceptable. I recall many times putting my arm around someone at work male or female that was having a really really bad day at work and saying something like we'll going to make it through this OK. I worked in really high-stress management in corporations. We all had really stressful days and appreciated a hug once in awhile. Not as an advancement, but just as a friendship hug with people we really knew working with us.

Of course some crossed over the line and some things said by some were really bad.

[Demsrule86]

102. We now have a GOP in Katie Hill's seat...and honestly, I think the Senator who replaced

Franken is not as powerful and could be a target in the next election.

[demtenjeep]

109. yes and again this was not just about the Gov

but about all the crap against the Democratic members of anything.





and for the record, as a young girl I and my younger sister was molested so I certainly know what it is like to be a victim.