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Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:53 PM

I don't like Andrew Cuomo...

I also don't HATE Andrew Cuomo. I've learned not to apply emotions to my candidate choices. I support and vote for people who can do a good job for me and the Country, AND can get re-elected to do the job again. When they can't I emotionlessly withdraw my support and place it elsewhere.

With respect to Andrew Cuomo, I wasn't a strong supporter, because he tended to be both a managerial bully and a micro-manager. That said, he was an easy re-elect because of the weak opponents put up by the Republicans.

With the combination of the nursing home scandal and the sexual harassment charges, I do not believe that Cuomo has good odds of getting re-elected for an extremely rare fourth term (the last was Nelson Rockefeller). He should resign in favor of Lt. Governor Hochul rather than give Republican a better chance of winning.

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Reply I don't like Andrew Cuomo... (Original post)
brooklynite Mar 2021 OP
sfstaxprep Mar 2021 #1
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #2
Groundhawg Mar 2021 #10
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #39
mzmolly Mar 2021 #13
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #41
Pongo Mar 2021 #54
spooky3 Mar 2021 #18
Celerity Mar 2021 #3
msongs Mar 2021 #5
Celerity Mar 2021 #15
brooklynite Mar 2021 #23
Pongo Mar 2021 #53
dsc Mar 2021 #59
Talitha Mar 2021 #6
Claustrum Mar 2021 #8
Talitha Mar 2021 #14
Celerity Mar 2021 #17
Talitha Mar 2021 #27
Celerity Mar 2021 #29
Me. Mar 2021 #7
Budi Mar 2021 #9
mzmolly Mar 2021 #16
Claustrum Mar 2021 #22
mzmolly Mar 2021 #25
Sur Zobra Mar 2021 #37
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #40
Celerity Mar 2021 #19
radius777 Mar 2021 #20
mzmolly Mar 2021 #28
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #46
beaglelover Mar 2021 #12
Celerity Mar 2021 #21
Budi Mar 2021 #36
Celerity Mar 2021 #45
ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #64
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #42
Celerity Mar 2021 #47
Budi Mar 2021 #4
Claustrum Mar 2021 #11
mzmolly Mar 2021 #26
Claustrum Mar 2021 #30
mzmolly Mar 2021 #33
OnDoutside Mar 2021 #52
mzmolly Mar 2021 #55
OnDoutside Mar 2021 #57
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #43
Budi Mar 2021 #31
mzmolly Mar 2021 #34
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #44
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #49
FloridaBlues Mar 2021 #24
ExTex Mar 2021 #32
Celerity Mar 2021 #35
ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #38
Lady_Chat Mar 2021 #51
dalton99a Mar 2021 #48
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #50
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #56
dsc Mar 2021 #58
brooklynite Mar 2021 #62
dsc Mar 2021 #63
rownesheck Mar 2021 #60
greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #61

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:59 PM

1. He's Had Quite A 12 Months

He went from a stable position as Governor of a significant State, to a potential Presidential nominee, and now someone who will likely lose if he runs for a 4th term.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:01 PM

2. Same calls went out for Franken before investigations were done. I'll wait not wanting to

... do the same shit different day and expect different result.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:19 PM

10. hi elmer

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:22 PM

13. Exactly.

It seems all it takes for calls that a Democrat resign are allegations without evidence.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:23 AM

41. +1, and the meat of the allegations don't look like fire-able offenses so far. An unwanted kiss

... happens a lot cheek or lips.

Yeah, I'll wait

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:50 AM

54. A boss talking about sex with older men to a female subordinate sure will get you fired in the real

world. That has no business in the workplace. And you really think 'an unwanted kiss happens a lot?'
And you think that is ok? Nope.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:25 PM

18. I also prefer to wait for the investigation to finish. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:05 PM

3. It is the 3rd woman who came forward that may sink him, as she has a pic of problematic behaviour

She is very brave to come out and put herself in the firing line.

It seems to started a cascade of calls for him to resign, righty or wrongly

that is my only point

ETA the New York Times link (where the pic was first published)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/nyregion/cuomo-harassment-anna-ruch.html

Anna Ruch said she felt “uncomfortable and embarrassed” when Mr. Cuomo placed his hands on her face and asked to kiss her.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:11 PM

5. one wonders why his face is so red and nothing else is. head put on by photoshop? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:23 PM

15. if it is fake, then the New York Times is FUCKED

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Response to Celerity (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:28 PM

23. I remember when the Wiener photos came out, some people desperately....

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...dug into the metadata to PROVE they weren't real. Then Wiener confessed.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:47 AM

53. I remember that. I wish men would stop this behavior. Especially Democratic politicians who should

know better.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:22 AM

59. The Weiner photos were provided by Breitbart and O"Keefe so it was exceptionally reasonable

to assume it wasn't on the up and up. The fact they were telling the truth for once in their wretched lives notwithstanding.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:11 PM

6. Looks like a doctored image to me.

Why is his face so red and no one else's is?

And what's that white reflection superimposed on his chin?

Something stinks.

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Response to Talitha (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:13 PM

8. It's probably some red lighting.

Look at the girl's hair, there are shades of red too.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:23 PM

14. Very light shades in her hair - OTOH, his face is on FIRE.

And there's red stuff on his collar.

Looks like a cheap photo-hack.

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Response to Talitha (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:24 PM

17. better call the New York Times then, as they verified it (it is where the pic came from)

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Response to Celerity (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:34 PM

27. Did the NY Times photographer take the picture,

OR did the paper merely print a "contributed image"?

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Response to Talitha (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:38 PM

29. they vetted it for sure, zero chance they put their reputation on the line like that without due

diligence

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Response to Celerity (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:12 PM

7. THe Thing About The Pic Is

That it's not a workplace incident nor do I think she worked for him unlike the other 2 who did work in his admin. Are we seeing an older guy hitting on a younger woman? Because he's Governor did she feel intimidated? Bottom line...all of this needs to be fully investigated.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:15 PM

9. That's it? Nothing sexual predatory nor criminal in that pic

 

What? Has Cuomo had a chance to reply to what was happening when the pic was taken?

There's nothing in that pic that proves anything accusatory.
Nothing.

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Response to Budi (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:24 PM

16. I agree.

Cuomo stood up to Trump and he may be the victim of a political smear.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:27 PM

22. Can it be both though?

It can very well be a political smear but at the same time, making kissing jokes and trying to kiss random women is problematic for a public figure.

At the end of the day, I want more context as I have no idea what the relationship is between Cuomo and the woman. If they are close, that interaction is fine. But if they met for the first time, then I think it's problematic.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:32 PM

25. I'll wait for evidence of wrongdoing

before assuming.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:14 AM

37. It's a woman in that pic,

 

not a girl. Sheesh

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Response to Sur Zobra (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:15 AM

40. Right !?!?, this is getting bad

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Response to Budi (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:26 PM

19. it seems to started a cascade of calls for him to resign, righty or wrongly

that was my only point

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Response to Budi (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:26 PM

20. +1. It was a party, don't people touch and interact?

I've seen people pick others up and spin them around at parties. Her facial expression seems relaxed and smiling, as if having a good time, and there are lots of people around. Cuomo is also Italian, who are know to be more handsy and jovial folk.

Unless something actually damning comes out, I think Cuomo should fight this, as it sets an terrible precedent if people can just pile on to take down a powerful Dem. It is reminiscent of the women who claimed Biden was awkward around them etc, that culminated in the Tara Reid situation. It all just seemed 'timed' for political reasons. Biden stood firm and thank goodness he did.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:35 PM

28. Well

stated.

Unless something actually damning comes out, I think Cuomo should fight this, as it sets an terrible precedent if people can just pile on to take down a powerful Dem. It is reminiscent of the women who claimed Biden was awkward around them etc, that culminated in the Tara Reid situation. It all just seemed 'timed' for political reasons. Biden stood firm and thank goodness he did.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:36 AM

46. +1, there's someone literally posting we shouldn't get huggy in this ...

... thread because #MeToo becomes #I'mConfortable, one women are being assaulted and raped the other people should speak up or set so clearer boundaries.

I have a problem when gone too far common social interactions are thrown in there with rape, assault, bosses taking advantage of people etc.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:20 PM

12. Looks photo shopped.

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:26 PM

21. take it up with the New York Times

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Response to Celerity (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:51 PM

36. LOL. NY Times !!

 

Paging Maggie Haberman....🙄

Wtf ever.

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Response to Budi (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:33 AM

45. big difference between an opinion writer and then the veracity of a pic, but you knew that

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Response to Celerity (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:24 AM

42. Nah, "I'd rather not" and shake his hand... this doesn't look like a fire-able offense

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:37 AM

47. not sure what 'I'd rather night and shake his hand' means, and I am not calling on him to resign, I

simply was opining that this women with a pic (and the fact that it is now multiple women) seems to be causing more and more Dems to call for his resignation. Nothing more than that.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:08 PM

4. Well, Trump handed him a shit show of a Covid mess with zero assist.

 

The sex complaints don't amount to criminal nor much else out of context with one side making a mad rush to deny him the right to his side of the story.

I refuse to believe the one sided singled out & targeted remarks against a man who has the right to be legally heard.

Its an election year coming soon & the timing has a definate pattern to it.

I'd rather not repeat the Sen Al Franken fk up.

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Response to Budi (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:20 PM

11. I kind of don't agree with the Al Franken comparisons.

Al Franken's allegations are from his comedian days and his whole persona was a frat boy doing stupid sexual suggestive acts. That's different than the Cuomo's allegations when he is a politician.

I think I've seen interviews of Cuomo saying he is a hugger/kisser. We do live in a different era and these kinds of interactions are highly problematic nowadays. Even Biden talked about how he is a hugger and it is not as acceptable nowadays than 20 or 40 years ago.

To be frank, if not for COVID, I thought there would be sexual harassment allegation for Biden in the 2020 cycle with his "inappropriate" hugs (no, I don't think Biden has any ill intention hugs but the media will make it seem that way).

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:33 PM

26. Heck with the media.

They gave us Trump.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:39 PM

30. You missed my main point.

We live in the me-too era. We can't have politicians that gets handsy or huggy with people. Some interactions (like kisses or close hugs) are just better left only done with close friends, not some random people you first met in a party or political events. You never know who in the crowd is out to get you and make a story to kill your political career.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:48 PM

33. I understand your point.

Here's mine - Joe Biden is our President because we/he didn't allow accusations to eliminate him from consideration.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:04 AM

52. And there were posters (who still post here) on DU demanding Biden drop out.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:02 AM

55. Which would have given us a Trump

dictatorship.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:08 AM

57. Yup. A scary thought.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:30 AM

43. "handsy or huggy" is what made Franken quit, I don't see that MeToo should turn into

... #I'mUncomfortable when people are being raped and physically assaulted ... they're not the same thing, not even on the same level imho.

I do agree with you when it comes to don't let people touch anyone anymore cause that's what this is turning into.


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Response to mzmolly (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:46 PM

31. No shit. Media love love loves this shit. Especially since CPAC is over...

 

Next up...Cuomo drama!...

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Response to Budi (Reply #31)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:48 PM

34. Right!

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Response to Budi (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:31 AM

44. +1, but first it was talking about some Trump supporting golfers leg for 213423 days. Tragedy

... but HR1 is being brought to front and we still have 1500 people dying a day from a virus a malignant sociopath let spread uncontrolled.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:11 AM

49. I do agree with the comparisons because one of the allegations was Franken squeezing love

.. handles too hard and that too me isn't a fire-able offense but something to tell the person about personally.

These pics don't seem like a #MeToo moments seeing some people are people raped and assaulted and people taking advantage of authority.

#I'mUncomfortable isn't #MeToo

"no, I'd rather not" and shake his hand seemed appropriate in the moment

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:29 PM

24. Let the investigation occur. Too bad all this pushback didn't occur for the former guy

From Dems and republicans when 21 woman came forth for worse actions.
Don't think he should resign before investigations finish. Would like to know what NY voters feel about this would be interesting.

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Response to ExTex (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:50 PM

35. I think you are quite likely correct nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:46 AM

38. If you are in New York, I hope and pray that you vote for him...

If you are in New York, I hope and pray that you vote for him when he runs again for Governor. We can't let another Governor seat fall to a republican.

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #38)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:03 AM

51. My husband and I will and so will a lot of NY residents because we remember

Just thinking back to what things were like here a year ago. It was hell on earth. My husband would come home from his shift physically and emotionally exhausted, from the number of so many people dying, it was hard to keep up, and they were running out of PPE. There was no direction from the federal government, including finding the necessary PPE and ventilators that were so desperately needed, that was left up to the states. Cuomo was calm, reassuring, intelligent, well informed. He explained to New York just what we had to do bring this under control, and people trusted and listened. This saved a lot of lives. He wasn't afraid to wear a mask and encouraged it. He had a lot on his plate and he handled it extremely well. People all over the country started listening to his press conferences and they were paying attention too. He brought other governors together to try and plan what they could do to get through this crisis, with little federal help. The alternative was Trump, how this wasn't "serious", how everyone would be back in church by Easter, how wearing a mask, was something he would never do and how it took away your freedom and they should rebel, how great he was he was, how it was all lies, and to go drink bleach. For the actions Cuomo took during this pandemic I will always be grateful.

Now I know these women have a right to be heard, even though I question their accusations. There are a lot of republicans that would love to see Cuomo gone as well as some Democrats on their own power trip. But I hope this Democratic party doesn't do what they did to Franken, and urge him to resign quickly, with no support and not allowing him a chance to be heard.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:09 AM

48. No Democrat should resign their position unless convicted of a felony.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:13 AM

50. +1, or fire-able offenses in the workplace IMHO.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:07 AM

56. My feelings are similar, but there is still time for more investigation, which is always prudent

...unless Cuomo admits that his behavior was inappropriate and voluntarily steps aside. It's a dangerous precedent to be able to drive powerful figures out of office based solely on a handful of allegations without establishing first that those allegations have a sufficient basis to be believed. My own gut is that Cuomo will not fair well in a real investigation, and if that is the case he must be replaced.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:19 AM

58. and what about people who voted for him and not her

she is, by any account, vastly more conservative than he is (and he was no bargain for progressives). To take one issue, she is in favor of religious restrictions on LGBT marriages he is not. Thus, if a judge is religious, he doesn't have to marry two men or two women. If the issuer of licenses in your jurisdiction is religious no license for you. She is also against most sensible gun laws. Elections shouldn't be overturn because we might lose the next one. I agree he should be primaried if he chooses to run again but elections should matter.

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Response to dsc (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:31 AM

62. Who "voted for him and not her"?

They both ran in 2018 and were both elected.

As for: "she is, by any account, vastly more conservative than he is", I can think of someone vastly more conservative than SHE is: a Republican winning in 2022.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #62)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:52 AM

63. I would bet that a non trivial number of people who voted for that ticket couldn't

pick her out of a line up, and that the number who voted for her and were indifferent to him could fit in a phone booth. I agree he shouldn't run, but he was elected, she wasn't, at least not in any meaningful sense of the word. It also should be noted, that say this were NC, we have a republican, a Trump Republican, Lt Gov. If we have three people say this stuff about Cooper should every AA voter in our state accept having voting rights here gutted for a generation or two?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:27 AM

60. He should resign

when trump is tried and convicted for his hundreds of thousands of crimes, which include rape, falsifying tax records, accessory to murder, inciting a riot, treason, etc.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:29 AM

61. ...

 

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