I don't like Andrew Cuomo...

[brooklynite]

I also don't HATE Andrew Cuomo. I've learned not to apply emotions to my candidate choices. I support and vote for people who can do a good job for me and the Country, AND can get re-elected to do the job again. When they can't I emotionlessly withdraw my support and place it elsewhere.

With respect to Andrew Cuomo, I wasn't a strong supporter, because he tended to be both a managerial bully and a micro-manager. That said, he was an easy re-elect because of the weak opponents put up by the Republicans.

With the combination of the nursing home scandal and the sexual harassment charges, I do not believe that Cuomo has good odds of getting re-elected for an extremely rare fourth term (the last was Nelson Rockefeller). He should resign in favor of Lt. Governor Hochul rather than give Republican a better chance of winning.

[sfstaxprep]

1. He's Had Quite A 12 Months

He went from a stable position as Governor of a significant State, to a potential Presidential nominee, and now someone who will likely lose if he runs for a 4th term.

[uponit7771]

2. Same calls went out for Franken before investigations were done. I'll wait not wanting to

... do the same shit different day and expect different result.

[Groundhawg]

10. hi elmer

[mzmolly]

13. Exactly.

It seems all it takes for calls that a Democrat resign are allegations without evidence.

[uponit7771]

41. +1, and the meat of the allegations don't look like fire-able offenses so far. An unwanted kiss

... happens a lot cheek or lips.

Yeah, I'll wait

[Pongo]

54. A boss talking about sex with older men to a female subordinate sure will get you fired in the real

world. That has no business in the workplace. And you really think 'an unwanted kiss happens a lot?'
And you think that is ok? Nope.

[spooky3]

18. I also prefer to wait for the investigation to finish. nt

[Celerity]

3. It is the 3rd woman who came forward that may sink him, as she has a pic of problematic behaviour

She is very brave to come out and put herself in the firing line.

It seems to started a cascade of calls for him to resign, righty or wrongly

that is my only point

ETA the New York Times link (where the pic was first published)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/nyregion/cuomo-harassment-anna-ruch.html

Anna Ruch said she felt “uncomfortable and embarrassed” when Mr. Cuomo placed his hands on her face and asked to kiss her.

[msongs]

5. one wonders why his face is so red and nothing else is. head put on by photoshop? nt

[Celerity]

15. if it is fake, then the New York Times is FUCKED

[brooklynite]

23. I remember when the Wiener photos came out, some people desperately....

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...dug into the metadata to PROVE they weren't real. Then Wiener confessed.

[Pongo]

53. I remember that. I wish men would stop this behavior. Especially Democratic politicians who should

know better.

[dsc]

59. The Weiner photos were provided by Breitbart and O"Keefe so it was exceptionally reasonable

to assume it wasn't on the up and up. The fact they were telling the truth for once in their wretched lives notwithstanding.

[Talitha]

6. Looks like a doctored image to me.

Why is his face so red and no one else's is?

And what's that white reflection superimposed on his chin?

Something stinks.

[Claustrum]

8. It's probably some red lighting.

Look at the girl's hair, there are shades of red too.

[Talitha]

14. Very light shades in her hair - OTOH, his face is on FIRE.

And there's red stuff on his collar.

Looks like a cheap photo-hack.

[Celerity]

17. better call the New York Times then, as they verified it (it is where the pic came from)

[Talitha]

27. Did the NY Times photographer take the picture,

OR did the paper merely print a "contributed image"?

[Celerity]

29. they vetted it for sure, zero chance they put their reputation on the line like that without due

diligence

[Me.]

7. THe Thing About The Pic Is

That it's not a workplace incident nor do I think she worked for him unlike the other 2 who did work in his admin. Are we seeing an older guy hitting on a younger woman? Because he's Governor did she feel intimidated? Bottom line...all of this needs to be fully investigated.

[Budi]

9. That's it? Nothing sexual predatory nor criminal in that pic

What? Has Cuomo had a chance to reply to what was happening when the pic was taken?

There's nothing in that pic that proves anything accusatory.
Nothing.

[mzmolly]

16. I agree.

Cuomo stood up to Trump and he may be the victim of a political smear.

[Claustrum]

22. Can it be both though?

It can very well be a political smear but at the same time, making kissing jokes and trying to kiss random women is problematic for a public figure.

At the end of the day, I want more context as I have no idea what the relationship is between Cuomo and the woman. If they are close, that interaction is fine. But if they met for the first time, then I think it's problematic.

[mzmolly]

25. I'll wait for evidence of wrongdoing

before assuming.

[Sur Zobra]

37. It's a woman in that pic,

not a girl. Sheesh

[uponit7771]

40. Right !?!?, this is getting bad

[Celerity]

19. it seems to started a cascade of calls for him to resign, righty or wrongly

that was my only point

[radius777]

20. +1. It was a party, don't people touch and interact?

I've seen people pick others up and spin them around at parties. Her facial expression seems relaxed and smiling, as if having a good time, and there are lots of people around. Cuomo is also Italian, who are know to be more handsy and jovial folk.

Unless something actually damning comes out, I think Cuomo should fight this, as it sets an terrible precedent if people can just pile on to take down a powerful Dem. It is reminiscent of the women who claimed Biden was awkward around them etc, that culminated in the Tara Reid situation. It all just seemed 'timed' for political reasons. Biden stood firm and thank goodness he did.

[mzmolly]

28. Well

stated.

Unless something actually damning comes out, I think Cuomo should fight this, as it sets an terrible precedent if people can just pile on to take down a powerful Dem. It is reminiscent of the women who claimed Biden was awkward around them etc, that culminated in the Tara Reid situation. It all just seemed 'timed' for political reasons. Biden stood firm and thank goodness he did.

[uponit7771]

46. +1, there's someone literally posting we shouldn't get huggy in this ...

... thread because #MeToo becomes #I'mConfortable, one women are being assaulted and raped the other people should speak up or set so clearer boundaries.

I have a problem when gone too far common social interactions are thrown in there with rape, assault, bosses taking advantage of people etc.

[beaglelover]

12. Looks photo shopped.

[Celerity]

21. take it up with the New York Times

[Budi]

36. LOL. NY Times !!

Paging Maggie Haberman....🙄

Wtf ever.

[Celerity]

45. big difference between an opinion writer and then the veracity of a pic, but you knew that

[uponit7771]

42. Nah, "I'd rather not" and shake his hand... this doesn't look like a fire-able offense

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[Celerity]

47. not sure what 'I'd rather night and shake his hand' means, and I am not calling on him to resign, I

simply was opining that this women with a pic (and the fact that it is now multiple women) seems to be causing more and more Dems to call for his resignation. Nothing more than that.

[Budi]

4. Well, Trump handed him a shit show of a Covid mess with zero assist.

The sex complaints don't amount to criminal nor much else out of context with one side making a mad rush to deny him the right to his side of the story.

I refuse to believe the one sided singled out & targeted remarks against a man who has the right to be legally heard.

Its an election year coming soon & the timing has a definate pattern to it.

I'd rather not repeat the Sen Al Franken fk up.

[Claustrum]

11. I kind of don't agree with the Al Franken comparisons.

Al Franken's allegations are from his comedian days and his whole persona was a frat boy doing stupid sexual suggestive acts. That's different than the Cuomo's allegations when he is a politician.

I think I've seen interviews of Cuomo saying he is a hugger/kisser. We do live in a different era and these kinds of interactions are highly problematic nowadays. Even Biden talked about how he is a hugger and it is not as acceptable nowadays than 20 or 40 years ago.

To be frank, if not for COVID, I thought there would be sexual harassment allegation for Biden in the 2020 cycle with his "inappropriate" hugs (no, I don't think Biden has any ill intention hugs but the media will make it seem that way).

[mzmolly]

26. Heck with the media.

They gave us Trump.

[Claustrum]

30. You missed my main point.

We live in the me-too era. We can't have politicians that gets handsy or huggy with people. Some interactions (like kisses or close hugs) are just better left only done with close friends, not some random people you first met in a party or political events. You never know who in the crowd is out to get you and make a story to kill your political career.

[mzmolly]

33. I understand your point.

Here's mine - Joe Biden is our President because we/he didn't allow accusations to eliminate him from consideration.

[OnDoutside]

52. And there were posters (who still post here) on DU demanding Biden drop out.

[mzmolly]

55. Which would have given us a Trump

dictatorship.

[OnDoutside]

57. Yup. A scary thought.

[uponit7771]

43. "handsy or huggy" is what made Franken quit, I don't see that MeToo should turn into

... #I'mUncomfortable when people are being raped and physically assaulted ... they're not the same thing, not even on the same level imho.

I do agree with you when it comes to don't let people touch anyone anymore cause that's what this is turning into.

[Budi]

31. No shit. Media love love loves this shit. Especially since CPAC is over...

Next up...Cuomo drama!...

[mzmolly]

34. Right!

[uponit7771]

44. +1, but first it was talking about some Trump supporting golfers leg for 213423 days. Tragedy

... but HR1 is being brought to front and we still have 1500 people dying a day from a virus a malignant sociopath let spread uncontrolled.

[uponit7771]

49. I do agree with the comparisons because one of the allegations was Franken squeezing love

.. handles too hard and that too me isn't a fire-able offense but something to tell the person about personally.

These pics don't seem like a #MeToo moments seeing some people are people raped and assaulted and people taking advantage of authority.

#I'mUncomfortable isn't #MeToo

"no, I'd rather not" and shake his hand seemed appropriate in the moment

[FloridaBlues]

24. Let the investigation occur. Too bad all this pushback didn't occur for the former guy

From Dems and republicans when 21 woman came forth for worse actions.
Don't think he should resign before investigations finish. Would like to know what NY voters feel about this would be interesting.

[Celerity]

35. I think you are quite likely correct nt

[ahoysrcsm]

38. If you are in New York, I hope and pray that you vote for him...

If you are in New York, I hope and pray that you vote for him when he runs again for Governor. We can't let another Governor seat fall to a republican.

[Lady_Chat]

51. My husband and I will and so will a lot of NY residents because we remember

Just thinking back to what things were like here a year ago. It was hell on earth. My husband would come home from his shift physically and emotionally exhausted, from the number of so many people dying, it was hard to keep up, and they were running out of PPE. There was no direction from the federal government, including finding the necessary PPE and ventilators that were so desperately needed, that was left up to the states. Cuomo was calm, reassuring, intelligent, well informed. He explained to New York just what we had to do bring this under control, and people trusted and listened. This saved a lot of lives. He wasn't afraid to wear a mask and encouraged it. He had a lot on his plate and he handled it extremely well. People all over the country started listening to his press conferences and they were paying attention too. He brought other governors together to try and plan what they could do to get through this crisis, with little federal help. The alternative was Trump, how this wasn't "serious", how everyone would be back in church by Easter, how wearing a mask, was something he would never do and how it took away your freedom and they should rebel, how great he was he was, how it was all lies, and to go drink bleach. For the actions Cuomo took during this pandemic I will always be grateful.

Now I know these women have a right to be heard, even though I question their accusations. There are a lot of republicans that would love to see Cuomo gone as well as some Democrats on their own power trip. But I hope this Democratic party doesn't do what they did to Franken, and urge him to resign quickly, with no support and not allowing him a chance to be heard.

[dalton99a]

48. No Democrat should resign their position unless convicted of a felony.

[uponit7771]

50. +1, or fire-able offenses in the workplace IMHO.

[Tom Rinaldo]

56. My feelings are similar, but there is still time for more investigation, which is always prudent

...unless Cuomo admits that his behavior was inappropriate and voluntarily steps aside. It's a dangerous precedent to be able to drive powerful figures out of office based solely on a handful of allegations without establishing first that those allegations have a sufficient basis to be believed. My own gut is that Cuomo will not fair well in a real investigation, and if that is the case he must be replaced.

[dsc]

58. and what about people who voted for him and not her

she is, by any account, vastly more conservative than he is (and he was no bargain for progressives). To take one issue, she is in favor of religious restrictions on LGBT marriages he is not. Thus, if a judge is religious, he doesn't have to marry two men or two women. If the issuer of licenses in your jurisdiction is religious no license for you. She is also against most sensible gun laws. Elections shouldn't be overturn because we might lose the next one. I agree he should be primaried if he chooses to run again but elections should matter.

[brooklynite]

62. Who "voted for him and not her"?

They both ran in 2018 and were both elected.

As for: "she is, by any account, vastly more conservative than he is", I can think of someone vastly more conservative than SHE is: a Republican winning in 2022.

[dsc]

63. I would bet that a non trivial number of people who voted for that ticket couldn't

pick her out of a line up, and that the number who voted for her and were indifferent to him could fit in a phone booth. I agree he shouldn't run, but he was elected, she wasn't, at least not in any meaningful sense of the word. It also should be noted, that say this were NC, we have a republican, a Trump Republican, Lt Gov. If we have three people say this stuff about Cooper should every AA voter in our state accept having voting rights here gutted for a generation or two?

[rownesheck]

60. He should resign

when trump is tried and convicted for his hundreds of thousands of crimes, which include rape, falsifying tax records, accessory to murder, inciting a riot, treason, etc.

[greenjar_01]

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