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MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:37 PM Mar 2021

I am a SWM, 63, and have never understood many older men.

Why do so many older men get the hots for some pretty young woman, and then think their feelings would reciprocated by said woman young enough to be their daughter, niece or granddaughter?

You get aroused, fine. You need to take your arousal into the closest bathroom, and masturbate it away. I guess many men never get and accept the message that because they get an erection, some woman is NOT obligated to relieve them.

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I am a SWM, 63, and have never understood many older men. (Original Post) MicaelS Mar 2021 OP
I'm a SWF age 64 and here are a couple of my theories. no_hypocrisy Mar 2021 #1
All excellent ideas. n/t MicaelS Mar 2021 #2
I think they're also really immature- dawg day Mar 2021 #12
It's bad to generalize a situation. There are times when the young girl is interested. Claustrum Mar 2021 #3
I guess you are right. n/t MicaelS Mar 2021 #4
There are very few times when an attractive 24 year old is interested in someone 40 years older, spooky3 Mar 2021 #6
My cousin in his 70's has fallen moonscape Mar 2021 #16
I think you feel creeped out because you sense spooky3 Mar 2021 #26
I've not even met her, just seen moonscape Mar 2021 #58
She's not for real. I've seen this script on my wife's toxic TV shows. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #98
Maybe she's angling for US citizenship. She could get it through marrying him, pnwmom Mar 2021 #45
He is here on a Green Card. He's a moonscape Mar 2021 #59
It's odd. If your cousin is in good health and the two have similar interests, haele Mar 2021 #95
Thanks for this. You're right. My cousin is moonscape Mar 2021 #111
Not quite the age difference, but Tracer Mar 2021 #100
At my age (67) it doesn't happen much anymore, Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #110
In a public setting, He asked, was rebuffed and moved on. aeromanKC Mar 2021 #5
And the Titantic hit a small chunk of ice, a non story. dem4decades Mar 2021 #9
So when there is an age difference in a relationship, its like thousands of people dying? Gore1FL Mar 2021 #25
No, he touched her bare back, and he put his hands on her face. pnwmom Mar 2021 #50
Made men have yachts. That works for many older men I've heard. Baked Potato Mar 2021 #7
That is the fucking post of the night ChubbyStar Mar 2021 #18
So your think that younger women are sluts when they date older men? Gore1FL Mar 2021 #24
The insulting language around age gap relationships is always so gross obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #66
I'm sorry kcr Mar 2021 #78
You Don't Believe RobinA Mar 2021 #104
So you are saying Karma13612 Mar 2021 #79
If that's the only reason, that would be the implication. nt Gore1FL Mar 2021 #97
No, I made light of a ridiculous OP. Baked Potato Mar 2021 #103
Thank you for clarifying. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #106
No problem, it's cool. I know it's a serious issue. Baked Potato Mar 2021 #107
I'm 54 and been with the same woman for 33 years. She is now 60. And still hot! GulfCoast66 Mar 2021 #8
I am glad your outcome was better than mine Gore1FL Mar 2021 #23
Sorry about that. I admit I hit the jackpot with my wife. GulfCoast66 Mar 2021 #36
A great friend of mine was in his 60s. He was chased (and caught) by a woman in her 20s. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #39
Jesus! I can't imagine being around a 20 something all the time! GulfCoast66 Mar 2021 #55
I'm similar to GoreFL's friend obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #68
My best explanation canetoad Mar 2021 #10
Loving someone of a different age is unevolved. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #22
How did you come up with that conclusion canetoad Mar 2021 #31
I stand corrected. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #32
No worries buddy canetoad Mar 2021 #34
It does me, too obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #69
Maybe I am weird , but- scuciti Mar 2021 #11
If someone in their 50s finds love with someone their 20s, is it wrong? Gore1FL Mar 2021 #21
Maybe because some say yes? Gore1FL Mar 2021 #13
6 years is not that much treestar Mar 2021 #86
25 years wasn't too much for me - A Gay Perspective MotorCityBeard Mar 2021 #112
Paul Newman said it. lpbk2713 Mar 2021 #14
That statement kind of grossed me out anyway Beringia Mar 2021 #88
Most younger women are not in interested in much older men TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #15
Or, you know, maybe they actually love each other. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #19
I think the OP is right. Why would some young woman he's just met pnwmom Mar 2021 #35
That wasn't the OP topic. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #37
I bet if you ask the OP, it was Cuomo's egotistical behavior that he had in mind. pnwmom Mar 2021 #38
They didn't mention Cuomo. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #41
Maybe mention Cuomo then? Gore1FL Mar 2021 #42
Each of the women Cuomo thought might like his sexual flirtation was three or four decades younger. pnwmom Mar 2021 #53
The OP is snarking about age gap relationships obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #72
So, all the younger women who marry older men or women are sugarbaby golddiggers? obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #71
+1 in spite of their protestations treestar Mar 2021 #83
This will likely never be an issue for me. Aristus Mar 2021 #17
Careful, apparently loving people of different ages is a terrible thing. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #20
'Any woman under the age of forty is a child, in my opinion.' Celerity Mar 2021 #28
It's awesome to pass judgement, apparently. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #29
I was going to track your responses canetoad Mar 2021 #43
I wish I had the chance to try out my relationship. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #46
I was referring to the outrageously condescending and misogynistic labelling of us women in Celerity Mar 2021 #54
"Any woman under the age of forty is a child" obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #73
I think he only meant he does not treestar Mar 2021 #87
Yeah, but it was a bad choice of words. Aristus Mar 2021 #90
HS girls Mendocino Mar 2021 #27
Hah, that's Matthew McConaughey talking, who's now 51 FakeNoose Mar 2021 #102
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2021 #30
I was wondering the same thing. The EGO for men that age to think they're so appealing pnwmom Mar 2021 #33
If this about Cuomo, why aren't things like this posted every time a Republican does it? C Moon Mar 2021 #40
Is it about Cuomo? The OP makes no mention. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #44
:/ C Moon Mar 2021 #48
Really? Gore1FL Mar 2021 #51
I second the :/ kcr Mar 2021 #64
No, he isn't obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #74
Yes, he is kcr Mar 2021 #80
Substitute race or gender for age in this OP. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #76
You seem to be the only one who doesn't get what this thread is about kcr Mar 2021 #77
Where did I defend sexual harrasssment? Gore1FL Mar 2021 #96
This is a thread about sexual harassment kcr Mar 2021 #99
No it's not. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #105
Context is difficult to see when it's inconvenient. LanternWaste Mar 2021 #108
Let me block quote the OP. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #109
Did you see the picture of the woman today with his hands holding her face? pnwmom Mar 2021 #52
The photo has issues. Cetacea Mar 2021 #61
Anna Ruch isn't anonymous, and she's a Democrat and a former Biden campaign staffer. pnwmom Mar 2021 #62
Madison Cawthorn has 4 women accusing him of sexual assault Arazi Mar 2021 #65
Women lose their hormones - men don't. Talitha Mar 2021 #47
Young women aren't there for older men to use because their wives aren't interested. pnwmom Mar 2021 #63
lol that is a MYTH obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #75
Many years ago... in the 90s TlalocW Mar 2021 #49
It isn't really about having the hots for them, I don't think. Jerryatric Mar 2021 #56
It is absolutely about power TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #57
Exactly. When I think back now on some of the bosses I had Jerryatric Mar 2021 #60
And you need the job. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2021 #89
I see it in Florida. There are a lot of older women who need financial support. I saw someone Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #67
To paraphrase Chauncey Gardener: I like to look. GoneOffShore Mar 2021 #70
It symbolizes power treestar Mar 2021 #81
This is a separate concept, imo. Oneironaut Mar 2021 #82
I think the OP WAS talking about the same concept kcr Mar 2021 #85
It is a thin line between old man and dirty old man taxi Mar 2021 #84
Grow up! Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #91
Well, attraction is attraction mvd Mar 2021 #92
Please allow me to apologize. Aristus Mar 2021 #93
My hubby is 9 MONTHS younger than me. I call him my boy toy😊😊😊 Politicalgolfer Mar 2021 #94
Money and power. BannonsLiver Mar 2021 #101

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
1. I'm a SWF age 64 and here are a couple of my theories.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:40 PM
Mar 2021

In their minds, they're still 24 and smoking hot. Their appearance has changed, but not their libido.

Ego. Going around with a hot young girl gets people talking about what a stud you must be for her to choose you.

Some don't care why the young girl partners up, even if it's for status and/or money. They like the ego rush.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
12. I think they're also really immature-
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:46 AM
Mar 2021

and now they have power, and they want to get what they couldn't get when they were 17.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
3. It's bad to generalize a situation. There are times when the young girl is interested.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:43 PM
Mar 2021

The problem is who is initialing such action. Most of the time, when the old men is initiating, that puts the young girl in a very bad situation as it's hard to put that guy down without hurting his feelings in public. The best course of action is to let the girl be the driving force.

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
6. There are very few times when an attractive 24 year old is interested in someone 40 years older,
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:10 AM
Mar 2021

unless the younger person is seeking money. To see how ridiculous it sounds, just switch the genders - how many attractive 24 year old men are genuinely interested in a 64 year old woman?

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
16. My cousin in his 70's has fallen
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:18 AM
Mar 2021

in love with a Ukranian woman in her 30’s, barely older than his daughter, and they spent time together before the pandemic. They talk every day, have a romance going and talking marriage. He travelled to Switz several times during the pandemic (he’s dual citizen) on nearly empty planes to see her.

She is a PhD in economics, has 2 contracts which yield her a 250k annual income, and is so drop-dead gorgeous she could model if she wanted. He’s an amazing guy, extremely charismatic and bright, with a business which yields almost no income. He lives with a former girlfriend because he can’t afford his own place.

When he pressed her on the age issue and why the attraction, she said ‘I never met anyone like you.’ Go figure. I chose not to probe about her relationship with her father ...

Sorry for the aside. It has been on my mind a lot. When the pandemic is over enough for her to come back to the US, I’m dreading a visit from them because it creeps me out thinking of seeing them together as a couple. I need to get over it and just be happy that he’s so happy, but ...

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
26. I think you feel creeped out because you sense
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:16 AM
Mar 2021

something is wrong and the situation is not as the couple wants you to believe.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
58. I've not even met her, just seen
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:48 AM
Mar 2021

photos of her when he visited right before the pandemic. We live on opposite coasts. His daughter met her when she came to the US for the holidays 2019. My cousin reported his daughter asked not to spend time with them during her visit. I can imagine it’d be hard since the 2 are the same age.

My creep out really is strictly based on age. When I was in my mid 30’s I saw anyone 40 years older like a father if not grandfather, and I keep thinking there has to be an angle.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
98. She's not for real. I've seen this script on my wife's toxic TV shows.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:40 AM
Mar 2021

She has seven or eight other old fools on strings too.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
45. Maybe she's angling for US citizenship. She could get it through marrying him,
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:42 AM
Mar 2021

and hope she'll be a US widow before long.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
59. He is here on a Green Card. He's a
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:55 AM
Mar 2021

dual NZ and Swiss citizen, though was planning to get a US one in the next couple of years, though if 45 had become 46 he was leaving the country.

I thought of that, but she is currently living and working in Switzerland so has a work permit there. Not sure why she would need him vs having a relationship with someone younger. It’s still a leading theory, except the widow part. I’ve not put anything nefarious on it at this point.

haele

(12,646 posts)
95. It's odd. If your cousin is in good health and the two have similar interests,
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:21 AM
Mar 2021

It may be more of a companionship that she wants, and to her -and to him - the sex or "romance" is not a big deal. He gets an ego-boo and a good intellectual friendship, she gets a security and good intellectual friendship.
She might not want kids or what she sees as a younger man's aggressive activity.

Relationships are about many things, not just sexual attraction.

While squicky to those who think of marriage or living together as a partnership with benefits, some people and cultures don't see it that way.

For instance - my Father-in-law's last wife is only 5 years older than me, 20 years younger than her husband. However, they were both active in the same running and golf clubs, had similar hobbies and friends, and she was independently wealthy enough that it wouldn't seem she was being a gold-digger when they got together after his previous wife died. Laz, his sister, and she are actually still friends after FiL passed 8 years ago from a freak mosquito bite that gave him West Nile Virus.

All that being said, if there is a power imbalance involved, that is not a relationship, that's a attempt at a forced transaction, not a older person "being attracted to" a younger person.

Haele

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
111. Thanks for this. You're right. My cousin is
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:23 PM
Mar 2021

physically in amazing shape since he was an athlete (Olympic swimmer) and has always been active. He’s vital and younger than his years now. She is getting out of a marriage and has one son, doesn’t want another. He’s extremely bright, hilarious, never met a stranger and has lived all over the world. They both bring a lot to the table, so it’s just the age difference. They do have a strong, physical relationship so it’s beyond companionship, though maybe that’s where the relationship will settle in time.

Thanks again for your input. It’s helpful.

Mr.Bill

(24,280 posts)
110. At my age (67) it doesn't happen much anymore,
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:22 PM
Mar 2021

but when a woman tries to get a little too friendly with me, I just look her in the eye and say "My wife makes $150,000 a year." End of conversation. Every time.

My wife is retired now but at one time she did make that much.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
5. In a public setting, He asked, was rebuffed and moved on.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:03 AM
Mar 2021

This is a non story. (not so much with the office kiss however)

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
25. So when there is an age difference in a relationship, its like thousands of people dying?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:01 AM
Mar 2021

Wow. You sound open-minded.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
50. No, he touched her bare back, and he put his hands on her face.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:45 AM
Mar 2021

And according to her girlfriend, who was watching, he managed to kiss her on the cheek before she got away.

If you think this is okay, and non-sexual, and a non-story, then imagine him doing all this to a cute young guy he had just met, uninvited -- cupping his hands on his face and asking for a kiss. That wouldn't happen because Cuomo wasn't being just friendly -- he was being sexual. And he's straight.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
24. So your think that younger women are sluts when they date older men?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:59 AM
Mar 2021

or did you mean something else?

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
66. The insulting language around age gap relationships is always so gross
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:38 AM
Mar 2021

The younger woman must be a "slut" or "golddiger," and the older man (or woman) is a creepy predator. There are many, many loving and long-term marriages/relationships between folks with 20-40 years age difference. 'Good lord, just look at what folks day about Holland Taylor and Sarah Paulson (32 years difference).

Hell, many folks even thing inter-generational FRIENDSHIPS are weird. I am an Old GenXer, and I have friends from 25 to 85.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
78. I'm sorry
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:13 AM
Mar 2021

But it's even grosser when proponents of May/December romances show up around discussions of harassment when it's unwanted. That really does nothing for your cause and I can't for the life of me understand how you and the Florida DUer can't see it. It has quite the opposite effect. Older people prey on younger people. It's a fact of life. It has nothing to do with any consensual relationships, and your defensiveness is not a good look for you.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
104. You Don't Believe
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:56 PM
Mar 2021

younger people prey on older people? How naïve. This is the same mindset that had Monica Lewinsky being a victim of Bill Clinton. Yah right.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
103. No, I made light of a ridiculous OP.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:36 PM
Mar 2021

The OP went straight to the sexual nature of “older men-younger women.”

I thought that was extremely sexist and immature. Why can’t an older man desire a younger women for other than sex? What if it is just for companionship?

My yacht comment was just being real. Many wealthy older men get what they want, when they want. They don’t need to go to the bathroom to jack off.

To deny that an older man with money can’t attract a younger woman is not being real. It doesn’t always have to involve sex. There is arm-candy involved in these relationships.

Also, older women like younger men too. An older woman with bucks could certainly attract a younger man. Especially for social functions, and again companionship.

And, of course, a relationship doesn’t even have to involve money.

So, no I’m not implying younger women are sluts for dating older men. Or, vis versa.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. I'm 54 and been with the same woman for 33 years. She is now 60. And still hot!
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:16 AM
Mar 2021

I’m still a guy and find young girls attractive, but would never think to make an advance on one. I mean, like any girl in their 20’s is going to be attracted to a slightly overweight guy who could be her dad? Yeah, I’m good enough looking, educated and good socially, but it just feels sleazy to me.

I know people my age who have dumped their wife for much younger woman. All had money.

It took 3 decades for the wife to train me! Why would I want to go thru that again!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
36. Sorry about that. I admit I hit the jackpot with my wife.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:36 AM
Mar 2021

I was real young when when we stated dating and she was 6 years older. I knew to never get married before 25. You’re really not an adult till that age. No one expected us to stick.

Got married after 6 years together and it has stuck. I love her dearly and she is my best friend.

It helps she is the best looking 60 year old ever. Better than many 35 year olds. But even if not I made a vow and am happy to honor it.

But even if single I just can’t respect a man my age chasing young women. Seems unseemly to me. But I’ve seen plenty of it in my life. Trying to relive their youth maybe?

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
39. A great friend of mine was in his 60s. He was chased (and caught) by a woman in her 20s.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:39 AM
Mar 2021

They have several children and are happy.


The heart wants what the heart wants.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
55. Jesus! I can't imagine being around a 20 something all the time!
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:53 AM
Mar 2021

Not criticizing your friend, just speaking for myself.

Even though the wife is 6 years older than me, she will outlive me. Be Heaven forbid she does not, no way in hell I’m marrying a 20 something. They seem like kids to me. Even the smart, educated and most mature.

We’ve been successful, I still look pretty good and I don’t doubt I could find a taker. But to me it’s just to freaky. But that me. To each his own.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
68. I'm similar to GoreFL's friend
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:42 AM
Mar 2021

It has nothing to so with anyone's looks or ages. The heart does want what it wants. People fall in love, people are best friends, with people many years older or younger than themselves. Society is very, very judgemental about intergenerational friendships and relationships. The judgey ones are who are gross.

A 28-year-old professional woman is not a kid.

canetoad

(17,150 posts)
10. My best explanation
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:26 AM
Mar 2021

Is they are unevolved human beings.

My experience in general is that humans aspire to holding elevated values and ethics but are all too quick to blame animal impulses when their sexual behavious is unacceptable and unwanted.

This is the dichotomy with which the Catholic church has wrestled for 1500 years. The same dichotomy that classifies women as virgin mothers or harlots.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
22. Loving someone of a different age is unevolved.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:55 AM
Mar 2021

Good to know...

I guess losing the love of my life because she was 6 years older and that was weird to her family is an awesome outcome by your account.

Thanks for your open-mindedness.

scuciti

(33 posts)
11. Maybe I am weird , but-
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:42 AM
Mar 2021

I am 55 and I actually see 25 year old women as kids. Maybe that makes me weird. I feel bad for being attracted to women in their mid 40's. But I think 45 years old is a pretty hot age.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
21. If someone in their 50s finds love with someone their 20s, is it wrong?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:53 AM
Mar 2021

Consenting adults is a thing. My last two SO's were older, one significantly. The last woman I asked out was significantly younger, but we had a great rapport. She said no, and I accepted it. We are friends to this day, and she is in a relationship that I applaud.

This OP is shit.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
13. Maybe because some say yes?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:47 AM
Mar 2021

Last edited Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Attraction/love whatever isn't defined by age. I wanted to marry a woman six years my senior. She wanted to marry me. Her family convinced her she was wrong. I lost the love of my life.

Marriage, relationships, etc. are not always defined by age.

Was Pete Davidson wrong for dating a Kate Beckinsale? Is Leonardo DiCaprio wrong for dating Camila Morrone?

Why does this concern you? Why do you need to interject yourself into other people's love life?

On edit: Many minutes later, I cannot tell you how pissed off this makes me. I am glad you can judge my choices in loving someone older than me. I am glad you would be happy to judge me for loving someone younger than me. I can't tell you to fuck off enough.
God, this infuriates me. Seriously, who the fuck are you to arbitrate love?

And thank you so the fuck much for having me relive the biggest disappointment of my life.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
86. 6 years is not that much
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:38 AM
Mar 2021

not like 20 or 30.

The OP only wondered why old men think girls are interested. I was once a young girl, and I agree, I could never have been interested while in my 20s in some man 40 or 50. Not in that way.

And while some cases could be real, most likely are like the Dump/Malaria relationship. Merely because she could not really have a real physical attraction.

MotorCityBeard

(201 posts)
112. 25 years wasn't too much for me - A Gay Perspective
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:53 PM
Mar 2021

I met my first partner when I was 34 and he was 59. We fell in love. Age was never an issue to us. We both knew how our families would react (Mike was the same age as my mother; I found that funny, Mike, not so much...) and we didn't care. We were in love, and it showed. Both our families were fine with that.

We had 5 wonderful years together until cancer took him. I have absolutely no regrets and feel I am lucky for our time together.

I've always liked older men, even when I was 18. It was just a personal preference. I'm 56 now, and grew into the age group I preferred.

I met my second partner a couple of years after I lost Mike, and we fell for each other. Steve is only a year older than me. To me. it just goes to show that it's the person, not the age, that is the attraction.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
14. Paul Newman said it.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:50 AM
Mar 2021


I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote but he said something like ...
"Why go out for hamburger when you have Porterhouse at home?"

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
88. That statement kind of grossed me out anyway
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:16 AM
Mar 2021

Like women were cows or something. I saw an interview with him and Joanne Woodward together and she was talking about their meeting or something and he didn't like it and Shushed her up. She was put in her place, like "be quiet woman". It looked like she had to get his permission to talk about something he found embarrassing but she found amusing.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,173 posts)
15. Most younger women are not in interested in much older men
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:05 AM
Mar 2021

unless they are looking for financial security. Someone asked Melania if she married Trump for his money. She asked if they thought he would have married her if she didn't look the way she did. That's the trade off. He gets arm candy, she gets designer clothes.

But plenty, if not most, younger women have no interest in such a transactional relationship.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
19. Or, you know, maybe they actually love each other.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:48 AM
Mar 2021

Don't try to add credence to this OP.

I "didn't experience it so it doesn't matter" is not a liberal thought pattern.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
35. I think the OP is right. Why would some young woman he's just met
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:35 AM
Mar 2021

appreciate his hands on her bare back, and then his hands cupping her face and asking for a kiss?

What an ego he must have. YUK!!!!

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
38. I bet if you ask the OP, it was Cuomo's egotistical behavior that he had in mind.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:38 AM
Mar 2021

It's been all over the news for a couple days, as three different women have come forward to complain about him.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
53. Each of the women Cuomo thought might like his sexual flirtation was three or four decades younger.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:50 AM
Mar 2021

So it's logical to wonder what gave him the idea that much younger women appreciate overtures like that from older men, instead of being repulsed by them.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
72. The OP is snarking about age gap relationships
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:52 AM
Mar 2021

Not unwanted advances. You, like others in this thread, are conflating the two.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
71. So, all the younger women who marry older men or women are sugarbaby golddiggers?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:51 AM
Mar 2021

Good lord. Epic fail.

You may think all age gap relationships are "transactional," but that is simply not true, and has been proven to not be true.

Good lord, this board sometimes.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
83. +1 in spite of their protestations
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:33 AM
Mar 2021

(I had a 50 something boss tell 20 something me how men have a longer shelf life) they age just as much, or worse, since they don't have the pressure women do.

No, they are not more attractive as they age, though they continually try to tell us this when we are younger, hoping they can attract someone with less experience and control her.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
17. This will likely never be an issue for me.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:22 AM
Mar 2021

I've been attracted to older women ever since I learned at around age six that boys were different from girls; and I liked the differences!

My first celebrity crush at that age was Karen Valentine.

Now that I'm in my fifties, my celebrity crush is Helen Mirren.

Any woman under the age of forty is a child, in my opinion.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
20. Careful, apparently loving people of different ages is a terrible thing.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:49 AM
Mar 2021

Because age is apparently very important in relationships on DU...

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
29. It's awesome to pass judgement, apparently.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:22 AM
Mar 2021

Age difference is akin to rape, murder, genocide, etc. if you believe the posts on this thread.

canetoad

(17,150 posts)
43. I was going to track your responses
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:41 AM
Mar 2021

Back to the beginning, but it's too confusing. So I will jump in right here and now with my own story.

At age nineteen, I married a man who was 46. I'm not going to share the details here, but you are welcome to PM me and I will be truthful in my answers. I'm 66 now.The marriage lasted 8 years. Have at it.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
46. I wish I had the chance to try out my relationship.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:43 AM
Mar 2021

Sadly her family had the same ideas as the OP.

Celerity

(43,303 posts)
54. I was referring to the outrageously condescending and misogynistic labelling of us women in
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:51 AM
Mar 2021

our 20's and 30's as 'children'.

FakeNoose

(32,630 posts)
102. Hah, that's Matthew McConaughey talking, who's now 51
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:49 PM
Mar 2021

I wonder if he still feels the same way about high school girls?
Probably not.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
33. I was wondering the same thing. The EGO for men that age to think they're so appealing
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:34 AM
Mar 2021

that some beautiful woman 30 or 40 years younger won't be completely repulsed if they get "flirtatious" or handsy.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
40. If this about Cuomo, why aren't things like this posted every time a Republican does it?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:39 AM
Mar 2021

Cuomo is not even guilty of anything.
Why are Democrats always guilty before proven innocent?

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
51. Really?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:46 AM
Mar 2021

:/ is the best you have? If the OP wanted to talk about Cuomo maybe they would have mentioned his name rather than condemning age difference in relationships.

Specificity matters. Frankly this one hits the fuck home for me. So be understanding, or fuck off.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
76. Substitute race or gender for age in this OP.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:59 AM
Mar 2021

And then tell me why it is OK.

And yo are right. It isn't all about me. The ageism is a blanket smear that covers a lot of people.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
77. You seem to be the only one who doesn't get what this thread is about
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:07 AM
Mar 2021

Unless you're saying anti-sexual harassment is ageist and sexist.

I have an idea. Why don't you go and enjoy your young one. Be a chill ambassador for that lifestyle instead of defending a sexual harasser.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
99. This is a thread about sexual harassment
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:40 AM
Mar 2021

What does your consensual relationship have to do with it? Why do we have to pretend that sexual harassment doesn't exist in order for you to be happy and secure in yours? If that's the case, then maybe it isn't what you think it is?

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
105. No it's not.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:36 PM
Mar 2021

It's a thread about age difference. Did you read the op ed, or did you just come here to snipe?

Please back up your accusation or apologize.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
108. Context is difficult to see when it's inconvenient.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:53 PM
Mar 2021

Even when it's blindingly obvious, we often feel the need to ignore it in order to better advertise how righteous we ourselves are.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
109. Let me block quote the OP.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:14 PM
Mar 2021

The OP:

Why do so many older men get the hots for some pretty young woman, and then think their feelings would reciprocated by said woman young enough to be their daughter, niece or granddaughter?

You get aroused, fine. You need to take your arousal into the closest bathroom, and masturbate it away. I guess many men never get and accept the message that because they get an erection, some woman is NOT obligated to relieve them.


Not about harassment. It's about making a judgement concerning age, and apparently masturbating.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
52. Did you see the picture of the woman today with his hands holding her face?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:47 AM
Mar 2021

She was the 3rd woman to say he was making her uncomfortable, but she didn't need to say it. Anyone could see it.

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
61. The photo has issues.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:12 AM
Mar 2021

I can see four alterations already. And as I expected, the source is choosing to remain anonymous.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
62. Anna Ruch isn't anonymous, and she's a Democrat and a former Biden campaign staffer.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:24 AM
Mar 2021

And the reporter also saw texts sent right after this happened, and other photos.

I see no reason to believe him at this point. He's even admitted, with regard to the other women, that he might have said inappropriate things.

Just because the R's let men get away with anything doesn't give a Democrat a free pass.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
65. Madison Cawthorn has 4 women accusing him of sexual assault
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:26 AM
Mar 2021

150 women from his college signed a letter denouncing his Congressional run.

Those facts, plus his resume lies, came out in the news this weekend and.... crickets

Talitha

(6,581 posts)
47. Women lose their hormones - men don't.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:43 AM
Mar 2021

IMO that's why men often feel the need to turn to a younger woman. Basically, his woman/wife has become menopausal and no longer thinks of him the way he would like her to. So, he goes out and gets someone 'young and stupid'. Make sense?

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
63. Young women aren't there for older men to use because their wives aren't interested.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:27 AM
Mar 2021

And this young woman had ZERO interest in him, which he'd have realized if he had the tiniest bit of sensitivity.

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
49. Many years ago... in the 90s
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:45 AM
Mar 2021

I Infoseeked (pre-Google) "Hispanic Latin Women" because my grad school's Hispanic Student Association was going to focus on them for the upcoming Hispanic Heritage Month events. First I learned the importance of making my searches more specific, but I also ran across a webpage for a Latin Women Listserv (for those who have forgotten or are too young - a listserv was basically an email list centered around a topic you could sign up for where all the emails from members were put together into a nice digest once a day). I joined for kicks because most of the members were conservative, older men (40s and up) who legitimately believed they were owed hot, submissive wives, felt American women were ruined by society (and weren't keen on Mexicans since they were so close to America), and were focusing mainly on Colombia, which had a lot of dating services for American men. It was quite an eye-opener into entitlement. None of them could speak Spanish, knew anything about the culture, and a lot were also on the Russian Women listserv for the same reasons with the same handicaps (couldn't speak Russian, etc). I admit I trolled* them a bit in my spare time. The listserv owner actually thanked me because he thought I was a positive influence - so much for trolling - because I would say things like you need to be interested in the culture to actually show potential partners that you value them as people and not just status symbols. I was actually jeered by some members for that.

*The best troll was when I had a bi friend of mine join as a woman looking for a Latin bride. I would send her details about a part of Mexico I used to know very well (Oaxaca), and she would fashion a story about going there and meeting a woman (Guadalupe). Oh, the howls of indignation that there was THAT kind of person on the listserv, and even worse, she was having SUCCESS! It ended up with Lupe moving to Seattle and their having a commitment ceremony... which just made the howls louder from half the list.

TlalocW

Jerryatric

(2,472 posts)
56. It isn't really about having the hots for them, I don't think.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:53 AM
Mar 2021

I had enough horrible bosses to think that it's really all about power and ego. The more powerful they get, the more they expect people to do whatever they want and the more people that do, the more they expect it. Until they wind up being old, hideous men who are still hitting on girls in their 20's who have no idea what to do when the boss is acting like that. Or at least we didn't when I was young; there were no laws, there was no HR department, there was nothing but quit, try to avoid him, or play along and hope like hell he's just flirting and he won't go any further. Meanwhile, he's so used to getting his way every single minute in every aspect of his life that he never considers that his feelings aren't all that matter.

They're shocked when someone says no to them, the same way a guy in a bar once said to me in the early 80's - "but I'm Englebert's road manager" as if that was some kind of way to make me go upstairs. He was shocked that being sent by some rich old man to get my friend and me to come upstairs to "meet" Englebert wasn't some magic phrase that always worked and he seemed actually surprised that I was laughing at him. They're so used to people saying yes that it never enters their mind that someone might not.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,173 posts)
57. It is absolutely about power
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:38 AM
Mar 2021

He doesn't get handsy with a woman that's 50 because she might slap his face. He doesn't suggest playing strip poker with a woman 5 years younger than him because there's a good chance she'll laugh in his face.

He does these things to much younger women because he knows being groped or flirted with by a man old enough to be their father catches them off guard and they don't know how to respond. He gets his jollies at their expense. When it's a young woman at a wedding, it's inappropriate. When it's an employee, it's sexual harassment and that's against the law.

Jerryatric

(2,472 posts)
60. Exactly. When I think back now on some of the bosses I had
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:08 AM
Mar 2021

and some of the things they did, I'm shocked at my own self for putting up with them. When I was young and had no clue and there was nowhere to go for help, I put up with a lot that I wouldn't now. I'm so glad that young women, at least some of them, are having it a little easier than I did, but there is still a long way to go.

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
67. I see it in Florida. There are a lot of older women who need financial support. I saw someone
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:40 AM
Mar 2021

I once respected sidle up to my recently widowed father. Gross. But, these were older women. It might be a generational thing that older men do not realize, will not resonate with a younger generation.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
70. To paraphrase Chauncey Gardener: I like to look.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:48 AM
Mar 2021

I don't want to work any harder than that. It takes way too much energy to deal with someone who is that young.

I want the cultural references I make to resonate with the person I'm talking to. Hell, Mrs GoS is 12 years younger than I am, and after 40 years together, she still doesn't get some stuff. That being said, I don't get some of her references either as I didn't watch the same shows or listen to the same music.

But I do like to look.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
81. It symbolizes power
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:29 AM
Mar 2021

It's just old fashioned sexism. Men are attractive when they have power, and women only because of beauty that is greatest in their 20s. Shallow-ish people who are impressed by these things only.

You'll see incels complain that the women only want the men with money. They don't have it. Their real complaint is their lack of power.

Oneironaut

(5,492 posts)
82. This is a separate concept, imo.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:33 AM
Mar 2021

Expressing interest in another adult? Ok... Let people live.

Being inappropriate with your subordinate in a professional environment when there is a massive power difference, and it’s obvious that the one with all the power doesn’t give a shit about their target’s feelings? Absolutely not okay!

To answer the OP in this context, it’s about control. Cuomo isn’t just an older man interested in younger women. He’s an asshole who abused his power, and tried to bully his subordinate into meeting his selfish needs. Older men are attracted to younger women, but consider their feelings. Cuomo is an entitled asshole who can’t be told no.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
85. I think the OP WAS talking about the same concept
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:38 AM
Mar 2021

They may not have been entirely clear, but the part about the men feeling women were obligated to reciprocate? That part maybe should have been in the beginning to make it more clear they're talking about predators like Cuomo.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
84. It is a thin line between old man and dirty old man
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:37 AM
Mar 2021

There isnt much difference between being an old man and the point when one becomes a dirty old man. Some like to walk that thin and dangerous line, not realizing that it is those watching us who have the power to make the call, not ourselves.
That being said, where is the temptation? Remember- no act of philanthropy goes unpunished, someone will always fault your decisions. Are you doing it for her? Are you really trying to help? Or is it maybe just for oneself, all for oneself? A little for oneself?
For those who can take an objective look, go somewhere and watch for someone like yourself doing the same thing. What are your first thoughts?

Johnny2X2X

(19,038 posts)
91. Grow up!
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:43 AM
Mar 2021

It's called growing up. By the time you're in your 60s you should be mature enough to control yourself.

Heck, in my late 40s and there is zero temptation for me because you know what? I'm an adult. I have control over myself and would never consider being a creep or exerting pressure over those I have authority over.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
92. Well, attraction is attraction
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:49 AM
Mar 2021

It is healthy as long as the person someone is attracted to is of legal age. Even in my 40s however I would be wary of actually initiating something with a woman in her 20s if I did not know her enough.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
93. Please allow me to apologize.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:54 AM
Mar 2021

When I said above that I thought of women under forty as 'children', it was not meant in a paternalistic way. Only that I don't find them old enough to be sexually attractive.

It was a bad choice of words, and I apologize for the offense I caused.

Politicalgolfer

(317 posts)
94. My hubby is 9 MONTHS younger than me. I call him my boy toy😊😊😊
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:05 AM
Mar 2021

It makes me feel like a 75 year old goddess. The 3 months we are the same age, I just feel like two old farts.....😎

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