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Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:59 AM

 

What is Cuomo being investigated for ?

What law did he allegedly break?

For being a flirt?
For trying to pick up women?
For being “horny” ?

Sadly he’s probably done. As usual dems will eat their own while pukes don’t.

He can join the ranks of Spitzer, Franken and Weiner.

I guess in this world their are no second chances .
No redemption

Heres an idea....can’t we find a a way to show disgust without forcing him out?

What law did he break?

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Reply What is Cuomo being investigated for ? (Original post)
Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 OP
blueinredohio Mar 2021 #1
MoonRiver Mar 2021 #2
eShirl Mar 2021 #3
Rorey Mar 2021 #4
Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #14
dalton99a Mar 2021 #5
Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 #6
SheltieLover Mar 2021 #7
bdamomma Mar 2021 #36
ADK Mar 2021 #8
Kingofalldems Mar 2021 #15
Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 #16
ADK Mar 2021 #18
Kingofalldems Mar 2021 #26
kcr Mar 2021 #20
RKP5637 Mar 2021 #9
brooklynite Mar 2021 #10
Pongo Mar 2021 #13
kcr Mar 2021 #21
Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #23
Pongo Mar 2021 #28
Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 #25
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #11
Pongo Mar 2021 #12
Calista241 Mar 2021 #17
lostnfound Mar 2021 #24
pnwmom Mar 2021 #19
Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #22
Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 #27
Pongo Mar 2021 #29
Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 #30
Pongo Mar 2021 #34
Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #31
Pathwalker Mar 2021 #32
Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #33
Pathwalker Mar 2021 #37
Pongo Mar 2021 #35

Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:07 AM

1. Hopefully there will be an investigation.

That he doesn't get railroaded without it.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:07 AM

2. Well apparently it's sexual harassment, and the nursing home issues.

But I don't think he should be railroaded out of office, until all allegations have been proved.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:09 AM

3. I can't believe we still have to keep explaining this shit here on DU

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:09 AM

4. i look back on my life

I'm not disputing that Andrew Cuomo is probably a pig, but I think back to all of the many, many times that men said things worse to me than it sounds like he said to these women, and I never really felt like a victim. I mostly just thought "yuck" and that was it.

I'm not saying it was okay. I just think that the voters should be able to decided if they want him to remain governor instead of him resigning.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:36 AM

14. You just reminded me of when I was young, going into NY city and getting cat calls

I don't remember that happening anywhere except NYC. Maybe it's something in the water - or culture.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:11 AM

5. Accusations should be followed by investigation, not summary execution.


If he committed a crime, prove it in court.


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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:12 AM

6. OMT

 

If you break a law , bye

If your an asshole, then read him the riot act.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:19 AM

7. Dems should tell qpubes to fk off about this

He is being Frankened!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:45 PM

36. I also

agree with that. His actions should not be condoned, but this was a question about the true numbers of death in Nursing Homes wasn't it? How was assaulting women (if the facts present themselves) thrown into the mix???

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:20 AM

8. Do you know anything about NYS politics?

 

Last edited Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:20 PM - Edit history (3)

Cuomo was behind the investigation of Spitzer and worked in hand with Bruno, the Republican Senate Majority Leader, to destroy Spitzer so Cuomo could ascend to the Governorship, which Cuomo believed to be his birthright. Cuomo has governed from the right until it recently became politically expedient for him to pivot left as he contemplated a run for the Presidency. He was behind the creation of the IDC, which denied the Democrats a majority in the NYS Senate. https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2016/05/another-cuomo-noninterference-story-falls-apart-049022 Cuomo has never been well liked and has no friends in State politics, even among his own party. Rather, he his known to be a vindictive bully. There is a reason Cuomo has never carried the Capitol District of NY in any election — that is where all the State employees who work for him live, and everyone there knows someone who can tell stories about their interactions with the Governor. But don’t take my word on it.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/For-Cuomo-a-legacy-of-intimidation-hardball-15972208.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-CP-Spotlight

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/andrew-cuomo-bullying-crisis-new-york-governor_n_603a7dcfc5b6d7794adf4ee6

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/andrew-cuomo-the-king-of-new-york

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Response to ADK (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:54 AM

15. Why are you posting dead links?

Not a good try.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:56 AM

16. Everyone makes mistakes.

 

Let he or she without sin, cast the first stone.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:27 AM

18. You mean it's something you've uncomfortable reading?

 

I tried to update the link to HuffPost, but for some reason the link takes you back to the front page. But, you can do a Google search or scroll through the HuffPost political articles. The title of the article I reference is “Andrew Cuomo’s Bullying Has Finally Caught Up To Him.” It was written by Bailey Marans and published on 2/28/2021 at 6:00am ET.

Here are some excerpts:

Bully Politics

When Cuomo was first elected in 2010, he ran as a proud centrist eager to use the Great Recession as an opportunity to demand cutbacks from the state’s influential labor unions. Even as Democratic governors in Connecticut and Maryland sought to distribute the burden of budget austerity more equitably by raising taxes on the rich, Cuomo fought to let a millionaire’s tax expire ― likening it to his father’s opposition to the death penalty in spite of public opinion.

Since that time, Cuomo has carefully pivoted to the left, co-opting the causes of his opponents in progressive bastions like the Working Families Party. After defeating law professor Zephyr Teachout in a Democratic primary in 2014, Cuomo banned fracking, raised the state’s minimum wage to $15, and stood alongside Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) as he announced a limited free tuition program for undergraduate students at state colleges and universities.

His more expensive victory over actor Cynthia Nixon in the 2018 primary ― and the simultaneous ouster of a bloc of centrist Democrats who aligned with state Senate Republicans ― prompted another shift. Amid protest from the real estate industry, Cuomo signed a 2019 bill strengthening protections for New York tenants. He also withdrew his opposition to marijuana legalization.

To the frustration of New York’s growing progressive faction though, Cuomo’s willingness to take on the state’s considerable class of multimillionaires and billionaires remains limited. He has resisted calls to increase taxes on the state’s wealthiest residents to close an impending $15 billion budget deficit generated by the COVID 19-related economic slowdown.

Regardless, what never changed was Cuomo’s approach of governing by fear and making a mockery of the state’s already loose ethical standards.


In 2014, Cuomo dismantled the “Moreland Commission,” a panel he had created to investigate campaign finance corruption in state politics, halfway through its intended lifespan. The commission got on Cuomo’s bad side when it subpoenaed one of the media advertising firms that had produced work for him.

What’s more, Cuomo’s signature economic development initiative for Western New York ― the “Buffalo Billion” ― ended up being a boondoggle that enriched key Cuomo donors.

Even at the height of his stardom during the pandemic, Cuomo prioritized personal grudges over effective governance. When New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D), a Cuomo nemesis, told city residents to prepare for a strict lockdown on March 17, Cuomo publicly vetoed him, only to announce the same decision five days later. The delay resulted in an additional 17,500 deaths in the New York City area, one study estimated.

The budget Cuomo introduced the following month proposed major cuts to the state’s Medicaid program and instituted new requirements for adversaries like the Working Families Party to maintain their ballot status. Critically, it also quietly shielded New York’s nursing homes from any legal liability for their failure to protect residents from COVID-19.

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Response to ADK (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:26 PM

26. Interesting.

Maybe you should post an all encompassing OP about Gov. Cuomo with all your concerns, whether you think he is guilty of a crime and what should the outcome be. Do you want him to resign?

BTW, where are your posts about Trump? He's from NY and held a VERY powerful position.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:32 AM

20. They worked for me n/t

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:21 AM

9. ... and suddenly many become pious, never having made a misstep. So much of this goes on all the

time. In politics, the magnifying glass comes out, and the opposition will magnify and magnify it to their advantage ... And the GOP applauds the missteps of their members. ... and look at the creature many in the GOP applauded as their president.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:22 AM

10. Okay, I'll bite...

I'm an employee of the State of New York.

I have mandatory training on sexual harassment every year.

State regs do NOT limit the definition to using one's supervisory position to compel sexual activity.

Anything that creates a hostile work environment for another employee is grounds for administrative action, up to and including termination.

As an Elected Official, Cuomo can't be terminated outside of Impeachment. But that doesn't mitigate the seriousness of the charges and doesn't mean people can't call for him to step down.

As for standing up for Spitzer and Wiener...I guess I have higher standards than you do.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:29 AM

13. Very good question. Perhaps you'll receive an answer.

I'm in disbelief here how many don't get it.

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Response to Pongo (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:34 AM

21. Crickets

But I'm not surprised.

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Response to Pongo (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:38 AM

23. I've been appalled at people using being gay as a tool to insult politicians

But I really didn't expect the same logic to be applied to direct victims.

There's an OP that suggests that this should be a nothing-burger since Trump did worse and we have to stop letting them use our standards against us.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:33 PM

28. I've seen several who've said similar. I really didn't expect that here.

Disappointing.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:54 AM

25. Ok... I understand

 

We’ll see what happens.

The investigation will show whether he broke any laws.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:25 AM

11. "I guess in this world their are no second chances ."

Generally if someone has made it this far and then draws multiple accusations, I can guarantee that there were plenty of "second chances" on the way.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:27 AM

12. Please don't compare Franken to Spitzer and Weiner. Are you being serious here?

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:58 AM

17. If your bosses bosses boss hits on you.

What are you supposed to do? What if he wanted or expected sex? What if he just wanted someone to listen to his bullshit for a few minutes? It doesn't matter. The imbalance of power between the two makes any sexual relationship inappropriate in a gov't workplace.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:40 AM

24. Generational change. how people thought for 3/4 of Cuomo's life -

If the boss’s boss’s boss flirted with a young woman he was being a flirt
If he wasn’t an asshole who tried to force her, or fire her, it was just his personality to think himself a Romeo
For some women it was not unwelcome, it was a chance to expand their world by a relationship with someone whose life was being or had been lived on a much larger stage, whose conversations were much more fascinating to her than those of young men her age
I spent much of my life with someone 27 years older. Love as authentic as anyone else’s love.
My mother was working for my dad - 17 years older - when she met him in 1950. Their marriage lasted until their deaths in the 1980s.

Putting people in boxes sucks. People who work in government offices are just as human as those who don’t.

And while sexual relationships are special, the golfing relationships and intermarried families and financial relationships aren’t used to take people down. You wanna go golfing? Join my country club? Be part of our investment group?

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:31 AM

19. For the first two women, sexual harassment in the workplace.

And his behavior with the third woman confirms a pattern of unwanted handsy behavior with women.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:35 AM

22. Creating a hostile work environment.

You have heard of our sexual harassment laws, right?

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:31 PM

27. Hold on... does flirting awkwardly create a hostile work environment ?

 

No evidence of threats
No retaliation afaik

And one more thing... sometimes women may purposely send signals and men respond.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:34 PM

29. Omg.

No words.

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Response to Pongo (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:35 PM

30. 2 words

 

Duke Lacrosse

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:35 PM

34. Really? You find this comparable? Omg again.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:40 PM

31. Someone with the power to terminate your employment

alluding to the infamous cigar, kissing you, commenting about playing strip poker, inquiring about romantic interest in people in the employer's situation (older men) - especially coupled with an assertion the party with more power is open to relationships with people in your situation (younger women). Yes.

Nice blaming the victim, there. You know, "sometimes women may purposely send signals and men respond" has been used by men who raped women to avoid being convicted for as long as there have been courts, rght?

I don't believe I'm seeing this misogynistic crap on DU.

ETA: I could go find a case, but this was easier to find and pretty close to wat hte case law would say:

Hostile work environment” sexual harassment occurs when an employee is subject to unwelcome advances, sexual innuendos, or offensive gender-related language that is sufficiently severe or pervasive from the perspective of a reasonable person of the same gender as the offended employee.


https://www.sexualharassmentlawyerspaloalto.com/portfolio/chapter-two-quid-pro-quo-sexual-harassment-and-hostile-work-environment-sexual-harassment/

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:56 PM

32. Serious question: It has been posited here on DU (not you, per se)

that unless it happens within the framework of the workplace, it does not constitute "sexual harassment". I understand why it does regarding one's employment, but but why wouldn't it apply in one's personal life as well?

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Response to Pathwalker (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:11 PM

33. It would - from an emotional harm perspective

I'm thinking of consequences for the perpetrator.

I would be far more likely to call for the resignation of someone in the position of an employer because of the double impact: Not only the experience of sexual harassment (regardless of whether it happens in the workplace or not) but also the added pressure to tolerate/not make waves - because filing a complaint might mean termination from employment (and access to health care) even if you ultimately win your lawsuit.

So - assuming the allegations are true - if Cuomo had only engaged in the wedding behavior (or that kind of personal behavior with a handful of other women outsid of the workplace), I wouldn't necessarily think that the consequences should be to demand his resignation. I wouldn't ignore it - but assuming acknowledgement of the harm and demonstrated commitment to changing would be more appriate.

Legally - sexual harassment is expressly prohibited in the workplace (either hostile work environment or quid pro quo) by federal law. Outside of the workplace you have to fall back on various tort (civil) or criminal laws that are harder to prove and less thorough.

In the tort world, you would probably need to prove negligent infliction of emotional distress. Courts lean away from awarding damages for purely emotional distress - so if the behavior was merely reckless (negligence) there generally would have to be a physical manifestation. You can establish intentional infliction of emotional distress - but it is pretty hard to prove what was in the offender's mind (the standard) - that they engaged in extreme and outrageous behavior with the intent to cause severe emotional distress.

I'm less familiar with applicable criminal standards (I teach torts year-round; I teach far less criminal law). But most crimes (punishment by depriving the perpetrator of life or liberty) have an even higher bar than civil (which merely requires the payment of money.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:55 PM

37. Thank you for your very inormative response. Makes it much clearer.

I wasn't referring to the Cuomo issue in particular, more of a personal issue. Thank you, again.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:37 PM

35. Yes. Why don't people get this? I didn't expect this here at all.

What the fuck?

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