Hell, those of us activists against gun violence have know this all along . . .

[AndyS]

I'm watching the hearings about the Jan 6 insurrections. I find it amusing that suddenly there is an interest in Domestic Terrorism! Like, who knew?

I also find it amusing that just as suddenly there is a concern for the easy access to GUNZ!! I mean, it's like EVERYBODY has one! And suddenly they're dangerous! OMG, whoda' thought?

All of a sudden it occurs to them that somebody might shoot them! And there's a lot of talk of First Amendment rights but I'm not hearin' nuttin' 'bout no Second Amendment.

Seems a gallows outside the window has a tendency to focus the mind . . .

[Clash City Rocker]

1. Meanwhile, I'll probably become a star member just to stop the NRA ads

That show up every time I come to DU.

[mopinko]

5. report then to admin.

they arent supposed to be here.

[TomSlick]

8. I recommend it.

You pay whatever amount you think correct and it will give you a nice warm-and-fuzzy for supporting DU.

[aeromanKC]

2. If only Homeland Security didn't warn us back in 2009 about Domestic Homegrown terrorism

Oh wait..... DOH!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2021/01/25/twelve-years-before-capitol-riot-warning-right-wing-extremism-buried/6658284002/

[AndyS]

4. I remember when that report was released and the howling with gnashing of

teeth from the Republican controlled congress squashed it because it was an attack on 'conservative' groups.

Yeah, they were right. These are all right wing Republican terrorist groups.

[WhiteTara]

7. Remember when Janet Napolitano was excoriated

for saying domestic terrorism was the number one concern. I can't remember why or when, but it seems she disappeared from the scene shortly after.

[sop]

3. Had the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 not been allowed to sunset after ten years,

all these extremist militia groups couldn't parade about menacing others with their deadly weapons and large capacity magazines.

[Kaleva]

6. AWB didn't prevent the importing of high capacity mags made before the ban went into effect.

and there were many millions of those.

As for guns, manufacturers make some cosmetic changes to get around bans.

"April 13, 1997
They were rapid-fire weapons that would look at home on any battlefield but could be purchased at most neighborhood gun shops. Some had flash suppressors or folding stocks. Others had mounts for launching a grenade or snapping on a bayonet. And seven years ago, they were banned in New Jersey under the toughest assault-weapon legislation in the nation.

But this month two of them are back and others are likely to follow, carrying the same semiautomatic action that gun control advocates sought to outlaw, but they have been redesigned slightly to avoid the ban. In one case, it was as simple as removing the bayonet lug from the end of a barrel."

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/13/nyregion/shooting-holes-in-the-assault-weapons-ban-one-rifle-at-a-time.html

[AndyS]

9. Yes, gunners will always find a work around. That is why

we must just cut to the chase and ban the manufacture, import, transfer or possession of any semi automatic firearm that accepts removable magazines. Period.

Stop pussyfooting around and trying to satisfy the insane gun worshipers and just DO IT. Outlaw the features that make guns exceptionally lethal.

If you can't defend yourself with a revolver and six (or more) shots you have no business near a gun.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

10. Yeah, let's go ahead and do that,

and while we're at it, let's cede control of the House and Senate in 2022 to the pugs, because that's what will happen, we'll lose control of those 2 Chambers if the Dems go that route.

[AndyS]

12. An oft repeated gunner screed but like so many 'truisms' it's not true at all.

Over the last three election cycles the issue of gun violence has risen in importance to the point that Democratic candidates aren't afraid of the big bad gun lobby. In fact it has become a central plank in the party platform and in many campaigns.

Fact: less than one third of Americans own a gun.

Fact: of that +- 30% only a small part own more than one gun and that part owns many guns.

Fact: support for more strict gun laws is favored by a majority of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, gun owners, non gun owners. Just, well, EVERYBODY.

So, no. It won't cost Democrats seats. That's a gunner wet dream. Wake up and dry yourself off.

[aikoaiko]

14. That's what we thought in 1994, too.

We paid a heavy price. Sure, times are different and more mega-shootings have happened.

But let's remember that the largest school shooting on record is still VA Tech which was committed with two pistols with standard magazines in 9mm and 22 lr.

I know plenty of Democrats in purple states who won't vote for Democrats if we start banning firearms. They might not vote Republican, but the betrayal of banning guns will cost us.

[AndyS]

16. Get over yourself.

The fact is that there just aren't that damn many of you. Depending on which stats you look at most of the 390 million guns are in the hands of 3% of gun humpers.

3%. But let's say I'm wrong by a factor of 5. Now you're up to 15%. Double that for libertarians and non fetishists supporting gunz for other reasons. Now it's 30%. Less than 1 in 3 hold your view of the importance of gunz and I think I'm being pretty generous in my assumptions.

Then there are other factors. The largest gun humping organization in America, the NRA, is almost defunct and may be disbanded. The Sandy Hook law suit is going forward regardless of Remington's legal maneuvers and once the internal marketing records of the gun industry are exposed gunz and big tabacco will look remarkably alike. Remember what happened to tabacco after the open hearings before congress?

But let's remember that the largest school shooting on record is still VA Tech which was committed with two pistols with standard magazines in 9mm and 22 lr.

Thank you for making my point for me. High capacity magazines are a red herring. Assault weapons are a red herring. The issue of lethality hinges on function of the firearm. High rate of fire and fast reload; semiautomatic with removeable magazines. Get rid of those features and reduce deaths/injuries by two thirds.

It's coming. Not this election cycle and perhaps not in what remains of my lifetime but it's coming.

[aikoaiko]

17. Oh, you're FlaminLib. Your response makes more sense now. lol

Yeah, banning all semi-autos is not happening in your lifetime, but we can still lose elections by trying.

Remember, we won GA by

[friendly_iconoclast]

19. More Dems in the House agree with you than your interlocutor. Check the links in post #18

Gun control advocates have always expected, nay, demanded the rest of us to die on their political hill.

Of the half-dozen or so gun control bills filed so far in the current Congress, only two have gotten as many as one-third of
Democrats to cosponsor them, AFAICT.

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. "It's coming." No, it ain't. The following gun control bills have few or *no* cosponsors:

No cosponsors:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/125/text

This one has 2 cosponsors:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1007

This one has *one* cosponsor:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1004

And no gun control bill in the House has more than 35% of Dems cosponsoring it (81 out of 235)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1454

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1446

[hack89]

15. The Senate is where gun control dies

just like it did in the Democratic controlled Senate post Sandy Hook. Everything you wrote is irrelevant as long as Democrats have to win seats in pro-gun red/purple states in order to control the Senate.

It was Harry Reid, the Democratic Senate leader from Nevada who killed the AWB in 2013.

[hack89]

13. Assault weapon sales actually increased during the AWB

it was that poorly written. All the AWB did was make gun manufacturers a fortune.

[uponit7771]

11. K&R, I'm disappointed in Wray's answers in regards to FBI response to White Supremacist and

... no one asked him why the difference in response to BLM vs Trump Terrorist from the FBI.