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Tweet of the year (Original Post) Demovictory9 Mar 2021 OP
K&R spanone Mar 2021 #1
Good question... Wounded Bear Mar 2021 #2
He also got vaccinated when he came down WA-03 Democrat Mar 2021 #3
Was there a vaccine in October? wnylib Mar 2021 #30
Not sure if this is technically a vaccine WA-03 Democrat Mar 2021 #32
Similar, but not quite the same. wnylib Mar 2021 #36
Got it WA-03 Democrat Mar 2021 #38
GERD? Not sure what that is. wnylib Mar 2021 #42
No it is not a vaccine. It helps the body's immune system but does not teach it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2021 #46
This is what we should be talking about. This is what the news channels should be talking about. Biophilic Mar 2021 #4
The kind of shithole president who... ShazzieB Mar 2021 #5
Yep leftieNanner Mar 2021 #15
But wasn't he bragging when he got out wnylib Mar 2021 #31
Yes, Trump contracted, and is vaccinated for, a self-proclaimed hoax bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #6
I'm betting that most anti-vaxxers are also secretly getting the vaccines. Question is erronis Mar 2021 #7
I don't think so leftieNanner Mar 2021 #16
I should have clarified this: The anti-vaxxer propogandists. The ones spewing their nonsense. erronis Mar 2021 #20
I don't think she's ever had any leftieNanner Mar 2021 #24
The Trump shithole type. Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #8
Or as George Takei says: As a third of Americans say they don't intend to take the vaccine, we learn soothsayer Mar 2021 #9
did the whole Klan get it? demtenjeep Mar 2021 #12
ADOLF J. TRUMP. NEED A SAY MORE . monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #10
That's no shit. JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #11
And how many of them leftieNanner Mar 2021 #17
Plenty, if the stories I have been reading are true. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Mar 2021 #49
And at age 50 and in good health (except for her kidneys) TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #13
She'll probably need a couple of booster shots for those "kidneys". erronis Mar 2021 #21
Twitter reply : Rhiannon12866 Mar 2021 #14
And a good one, too. nt crickets Mar 2021 #29
on the money ! monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #37
Think of the Truth Blackout hell we'd be living in for the next four years if that s.e.p. had won. ancianita Mar 2021 #18
Who says that it is not more familiar with needles than any of us know? dameatball Mar 2021 #19
I noted that Trump very quietly got his shot on a local media Facebook page gratuitous Mar 2021 #22
Anyone surprised? twodogsbarking Mar 2021 #23
Let's never forget all those superspreader meetings and rallies he held all over the USA... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2021 #25
Can we really term anyone "innocent" if they are maskless at a rally? BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #35
I think I know the answer! dchill Mar 2021 #26
Trumps Oxygen level Sugarmaggie Mar 2021 #27
My thought? BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #28
Hope they gave him a hoax vaccine torius Mar 2021 #33
Oh that's positively wicked - - I love it! Talitha Mar 2021 #39
The shithole we always knew he was. usaf-vet Mar 2021 #34
The Shame of Shitler Blue Owl Mar 2021 #40
Rt TY JT puts it so WELL!! Cha Mar 2021 #41
Seems to use an inappropriate word: I thought "shithole" was a place, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2021 #43
A total and complete fraud n/t malaise Mar 2021 #44
Tiedrich answered his own question. mnhtnbb Mar 2021 #45
The self-worshiping fascist kind, I think. eom lastlib Mar 2021 #47
He always knew the virus was real and that it was deadly Mr. Ected Mar 2021 #48
I just like hearing EX president Dukkha Mar 2021 #50
Me too and also Glaisne Mar 2021 #51
God bless Tiedrich. He's absolutely lethal. (nt) Paladin Mar 2021 #52
He was also anti-vaccine. C Moon Mar 2021 #53
anti-vac, anti mask, anti everything... then he runs to get his vac Demovictory9 Mar 2021 #54

WA-03 Democrat

(3,039 posts)
3. He also got vaccinated when he came down
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:41 PM
Mar 2021

With COVID in October. So, 2 vaccines and one round of COVID makes a lot of immunity. Never has so much medical science been wasted on such a POS.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,039 posts)
32. Not sure if this is technically a vaccine
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:30 PM
Mar 2021

Regeneron's monoclonal antibody is what he got which boosts the immunity to fight COVID-19 while you are infected. My layperson read was it like a vaccine.

Sorry if I got this wrong.

wnylib

(21,428 posts)
36. Similar, but not quite the same.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:36 PM
Mar 2021

My understanding could be wrong, and one of our DU med people could correct me. I think the monoclonal antibodies were a direct infusion of antibodies into his system to add to what his system was already trying to produce, but not fast enough. I think they are delivered by IV. A vaccine is usually an injection of a small amount of active or inactive virus to teach your immune system to make antibodies. But, in the case of the covid vaccine, an actual virus is not used. It is based on a manufactured protein that matches a protein contained in the virus to teach the immune system to recognize the virus protein and make antibodies.

As someone who has multiple allergies, I know that it is a protein in a substance that causes the immune system response that we know as an allergic reaction. The immune system codes for that protein so that the next time you are exposed to it, your immune system recognizes it and gears up for an attack. That is why you need at least one exposure to something before you can have an allergic reaction.

The covid vaccine works on that principle. You don't need the actual virus, just the protein molecule that your immune system will learn to recognize and identify with the virus if you get exposed.

Another parallel to allergies is something that I learned about my reaction to tomatoes. I cannot drink a glass tomato juice or eat a fresh tomato without a very painful abdominal reaction that can leave me incapacitated for hours if I don't have medicine on hand.

But I can eat well cooked tomatoes, e.g. pizza sauce, spaghetti sauce, and ketchup because cooking tomatoes causes the protein to become denatured. The protein structure changes and cooked tomatoes sneak right past my immune system.

That's what happens when a virus mutates. Its protein structure alters. If it alters enough, the virus can slip right past your immune system, even if you have been vaccinated. That's why the flu vaccine needs to be altered each year. It's why booster shots might become necessary for covid if it mutates too much.

More than you asked for, I'm sure, but immune responses fascinate me since I've had to deal with them.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,039 posts)
38. Got it
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:17 AM
Mar 2021

Very interesting. Amazing stuff.

Quick question about your allergies, I found I have IBS last summer (still have it) and while I don’t have acid reflux I had it before. Do you take something for GERD or is it more like an epipen?

wnylib

(21,428 posts)
42. GERD? Not sure what that is.
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 01:27 AM
Mar 2021

Gastrointestinal something?

When I have an allergic reaction to food, it is brought on by a component of the immune system known as an immunoglobulin (IG for short). Since I am a layperson, not a nurse, doctor, or biologist, I can't tell you what specifically an IG is, although I did once know from reading a long time ago. I think they are enzymes. There are different types of IGs, e.g. IGE and IGG. They cause different types of reactions. The immune system has many components - T cells, machrophages, IGs, lymph, surface skin cells, etc.

The differences in reactions depend on what is activated in your immune system in response to a substance (an allergen). Reactions can range from sneezing and runny eyes, to hives, abdominal cramping, diarrhea, headaches, swelling in the throat, tongue, and air passages, even swelling in the inner ear causing vertigo. It all depends on what the substance is, how long or intense the exposure is, what part of the immune system is activated in response to the exposure, and even what other recent exposures a person has had.

The abdominal pain that I get from raw tomatoes is caused by either IGE or IGG - I don't remember which. The pain is due to internal hives and swelling in the lining of the gastrointestinal tract. It feels like I will explode from the inside out and is so painful that ANY pressure from outside, like the weight of a bedsheet on me, is devastating.

Since I know which foods cause it, I avoid them. If I eat one by accident, I recognize the initial symptoms right away and take an antihistamine ASAP. That prevents a full blown attack of internal hives and lessens the pain to just the initial symptoms.

An epi pen is not used for localized allergic reactions, like abdominal cramps, external hives (on the face, arms, etc.), sneezing, etc. The epi pen is ONLY for systemic reactions involving more than one system in the body, particularly the respiratory system (lungs, mouth, nasal passages) and the circulatory system (heart, arteries, and veins). That kind of reaction is called anaphylactic shock and it is lethal, sometimes within 30 minutes of the time that it starts. Certain specific allergies can trigger it. It does not happen with just any substance. The types of allergies that most often cause anaphylactic shock are peanuts, some kinds of seafood (e.g. shrimp), some medicines (like penicillin), and bee stings.

I have had anaphylactic shock twice, both times caused by the negligence of incompetent doctors. The first time was when an allergist injected me with 60 suspected substances at once for testing and left me alone in a cubicle with no one to monitor possible reactions. I was positive to so many of them that my immune system was overloaded and reacted full blast. But the main culprits were grass and tree pollens. Fortunately, a friend worked in the doctor's office and poked her head in to say hello, saw my grotesque swelling and purple ears and yelled for the doctor, who gave me epinephrine (adrenaline) shots. After a couple hours I was allowed to go home.

I do not need an epi pen for that. Ordinary exposure to grass and tree pollens does not bring on such a severe reaction. It was severe in the doctor's office only because the pollens were injected into me in concentrated form AND I was also injected at the same time with with several other things that I was also allergic to.

The second time was also caused by an allergist. She did oral surgery on me and refused to believe me when I said that I am alletgic to aspirin because true aspirin allergies are not very common. An aspirin allergy means that I cannot take other meds that are in the same category as aspirin (NSAIDS). She used an NSAID pain killer along with another anesthetic for the surgery. When she was done, my tongue swelled to triple size and my throat was closing up so badly that I could not swallow my own saliva. I could not talk and had to grunt and gesture to get her to look into my mouth. Epinephrine shots again.

I do not need an epi pen for that, either. I know better than to take aspirin or an NSAID. I use Tylenol instead.

Biophilic

(3,645 posts)
4. This is what we should be talking about. This is what the news channels should be talking about.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:45 PM
Mar 2021

This is what we, as citizens of the United States, should be focused on. This man should be shunned from our country. We should all turn our backs on him, but at the same time this should be on the news. I think he truly does hate this country and the people in it. He won't even support everyone getting the vaccine. All he cares about is his family getting the vaccine. I never thought I'd hate someone the way I hate trump. He just doesn't do anything for others.

ShazzieB

(16,361 posts)
5. The kind of shithole president who...
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:50 PM
Mar 2021

...doesn't want anyone to know he realizes the virus is NOT a hoax.

Remembering how hard he worked at pretending it was just another "flu," something that was going to go away like magic any day now, and how he told his cultists that the virus being a serious danger was a hoax invented by Democrats to make him look bad, I am convinced that he was vaccinated in secret in order to avoid having to take any of that back.

I'm pretty sure that admitting to having ever been wrong about anything is anathema to him. His extreme narcissism requires him to maintain the fiction the he is perfect and infallible. Letting it be known publicly that he got vaccinated would have outed him as having been wrong about the seriousness of the virus, having lied about it, or both. Doing it secretly is absolutely consistent with everything we know about him.

leftieNanner

(15,081 posts)
15. Yep
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:04 PM
Mar 2021

And even though he pretended his bout with Covid was a walk in the park, he was VERY sick. Almost on a ventilator. I bet it scared him, even though he let on that it was no big deal.

His inability to ever being wrong (as you said) meant he had to hide the fact that he had the vaccine.

wnylib

(21,428 posts)
31. But wasn't he bragging when he got out
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:14 PM
Mar 2021

of the hospital that now he was immune? If that was true, why did he get vaccinated?

bucolic_frolic

(43,125 posts)
6. Yes, Trump contracted, and is vaccinated for, a self-proclaimed hoax
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:04 PM
Mar 2021

that was going away on its own.

If you feed people enough illogic, they become disoriented and will believe everything you say. That's the hold on the Delusion Cult.

erronis

(15,235 posts)
7. I'm betting that most anti-vaxxers are also secretly getting the vaccines. Question is
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:08 PM
Mar 2021

What's in it for them to pump out falsehoods?

Obviously they prey on nuts to fund their paypal accounts.

Is there something else going on? Are they trying to help eradicate a large segment of the population?

leftieNanner

(15,081 posts)
16. I don't think so
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:06 PM
Mar 2021

The true believers will not get the vaccine. A woman I know is one of them and there's absolutely no way on this earth she would ever get a shot. I live in a little blue island in a sea of red (blue state, fortunately) county. The vaccination rate for children here is terrible.

erronis

(15,235 posts)
20. I should have clarified this: The anti-vaxxer propogandists. The ones spewing their nonsense.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:33 PM
Mar 2021

I'm sorry some of our friends are misguided but they aren't profiting - they are losing.

Did the person you know get a polio shot, a DPT? Smallpox would not have been eradicated if a lot of people like her were misguided.

leftieNanner

(15,081 posts)
24. I don't think she's ever had any
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:42 PM
Mar 2021

I believe that her mother is also an anti-vaxxer.

She's a good deal younger than I am (I come from the Polio generation) and has stayed healthy because of the herd immunity from the folks around her. She also thinks that eating organic food (mostly vegetarian) will keep you from getting any of those diseases. She once told me that her daughter caught a cold because she ate a candy bar.



soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
9. Or as George Takei says: As a third of Americans say they don't intend to take the vaccine, we learn
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:20 PM
Mar 2021

?s=21


George Takei
@GeorgeTakei
As a third of Americans say they don’t intend to take the vaccine, we learn Donald and Melania took it in secret earlier this year. The one time Donald’s bragging could’ve saved lives, he decided to remain silent instead. Why?

JohnnyRingo

(18,624 posts)
11. That's no shit.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:43 PM
Mar 2021

How many of his moran followers went to their deathbeds because of the examples he set?
Don't wear a mask, don't get the vaccine, don't worry about crowds.

Donald Trump is a fraud and a failure.

leftieNanner

(15,081 posts)
17. And how many of them
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:07 PM
Mar 2021

yelled at their nurses that they didn't have Covid just before they were put on a ventilator?

erronis

(15,235 posts)
21. She'll probably need a couple of booster shots for those "kidneys".
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:35 PM
Mar 2021

Soon they'll be on her shoulders...

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. I noted that Trump very quietly got his shot on a local media Facebook page
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:38 PM
Mar 2021

As anyone knows, posting anything to a Facebook page with a large readership is an open invitation to all the crazies. I posted about Trump getting vaccinated a few hours ago and the response has been . . . nothing. Not a word. This appears to be too far even for the loons and the trolls to defend Trump.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
25. Let's never forget all those superspreader meetings and rallies he held all over the USA...
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:49 PM
Mar 2021

that infected many, many innocent people throughout 2020.

That cost for that alone is immeasurable in terms of lives lost, families damaged and in huge medical bills.....

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
35. Can we really term anyone "innocent" if they are maskless at a rally?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:01 PM
Mar 2021

Asking for it, IMO. The cost to their lives, and to the lives of people they might infect is on them.

Sugarmaggie

(110 posts)
27. Trumps Oxygen level
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:34 PM
Mar 2021

Was in 80s which is dangerous and should have been intubated. Had all the medical help we could buy for him. He wouldn’t hesitate to get himself vaccinated. Can guarantee all his family has received ahead of everyone else.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
43. Seems to use an inappropriate word: I thought "shithole" was a place, ...
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 06:29 AM
Mar 2021

... and "shitheel" is a person.

And his spouse got the vaccine too, being well under 65 years old. Congratulations to her for successfully butting in line.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
48. He always knew the virus was real and that it was deadly
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 09:27 AM
Mar 2021

He only kept repeating the hoax mantra because he didn't want to shut down American commerce, and any concession to the virus would have opened the floodgates to that end.

That's how propagandists work. They are willing to say anything, over and over again, no matter how demonstrably ridiculous, in order to maintain the chief directive.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
50. I just like hearing EX president
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:40 AM
Mar 2021

A loser and will remain branded a loser for his remaining few years left.

Glaisne

(515 posts)
51. Me too and also
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:23 PM
Mar 2021

disgraced Ex President
twice impeached Ex President
worst president ever Ex President
deplorable Ex President
loser Ex President
And...
hopefully soon,
criminally indicted Ex President
convicted Ex President
imprisoned Ex President
bankrupt Ex President!

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