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Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:48 PM Mar 2021

I don't agree with Gov. Abbott's decision to end the mask mandate and open businesses, but...

Last edited Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:26 PM - Edit history (1)

given that the federal govt has still not passed the relief package and that there's talk about it being watered down even further, the people of Texas need the option to go back to work to take care of themselves economically at least.

It's elitist of us to sit here and condem this move by Abbott while Joe Manchin is waffling on supporting more relief help. What do you want the people of Texas to do?

Our government is not providing the economic relief necessary to demand that the public fully support these restrictive measures.

--On Edit--
As I wrote in my OP title, "I don't agree with Gov. Abbott's decision to end the mask mandate and open businesses", so no, I do not agree with the governor ending the mask mandate. However, without federal govt economic assistance, it becomes nearly impossible for people to support themselves and follow public health measures. For example, people are not going to wear masks while they're eating out at a restaurant or at a bar, and people need to work in that restaurant/bar.

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I don't agree with Gov. Abbott's decision to end the mask mandate and open businesses, but... (Original Post) Yavin4 Mar 2021 OP
No, it isn't elitist. At all. It is about public health. n/t demmiblue Mar 2021 #1
Economic support is part of public health. Yavin4 Mar 2021 #5
Economic support does you no good if you're dead Clash City Rocker Mar 2021 #24
The labor market has been devastated. Laelth Mar 2021 #2
They have masks don't they? mobeau69 Mar 2021 #3
As I said in my OP, I don't agree with that. n/t Yavin4 Mar 2021 #6
I know that. The question is why end it? Nt mobeau69 Mar 2021 #8
because he's Abbott is a choie Mar 2021 #28
keep in mind that both Texas Senators will likely vote against that relief bill. Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #4
Not everyone in TX voted for those two senators. n/t Yavin4 Mar 2021 #7
You got that right!! Sadly a majority did. It doesn't surprise me. walkingman Mar 2021 #13
Do you really think I don't know that? Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #15
Wish I'd said that. old guy Mar 2021 #9
Abbott is a HUGE part of the problem. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #10
Abbott bdamomma Mar 2021 #33
I have no clue why he is still there. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #36
Abbott is a piece of repuke SHIT Skittles Mar 2021 #11
... Catherine Vincent Mar 2021 #29
he has also politicized the virus in every way Skittles Mar 2021 #30
This. n/t area51 Mar 2021 #37
Yeah okay Javaman Mar 2021 #12
THANK YOU Skittles Mar 2021 #32
FFS. Masks are not elitist. Masks stop no business from happening. Jirel Mar 2021 #14
This x 1000 Ferrets are Cool Mar 2021 #19
masks allow you to stay open CreekDog Mar 2021 #41
Don't feed into the stupid idea that there's nothing more abbott could have done Mersky Mar 2021 #16
I could not disagree more with your subject line Ferrets are Cool Mar 2021 #17
Opening up early will not help economically kcr Mar 2021 #18
Republicans want to get past the part of the covid story where they killed too many people... gulliver Mar 2021 #20
The government that is failing here is Texas' state government hatrack Mar 2021 #21
You maybe. Not me. Iggo Mar 2021 #22
I have done everything since eat in dining since the pandemic Blue_true Mar 2021 #25
Texas is going to be Texas, and the Texas Governor is going to be a Texas Governor. Chainfire Mar 2021 #23
Texas had been on my "no travel dollars" list before... LowerManhattanite Mar 2021 #26
Sure! Let them infect the rest of the country... choie Mar 2021 #27
It's not elitist to condemn his decision to end the mask mandate. I want the people of TX pnwmom Mar 2021 #31
He could have opened businesses Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #34
...but ending the mask mandate? He's trying to whip up liberal anger and start some culture war BS In It to Win It Mar 2021 #35
IF Abbott cared at all about the people in his state DFW Mar 2021 #38
You understand that VERY FEW businesses have had any restrictions for months in TX, right JCMach1 Mar 2021 #39
if you open and there's an outbreak, businesses close even without being forced to CreekDog Mar 2021 #40
It's shitting on other states in this so-called union. roamer65 Mar 2021 #42

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
5. Economic support is part of public health.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:57 PM
Mar 2021

Making them depend on the whim and whimsy of Joe Manchin is elitist because some of us don't have to.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. The labor market has been devastated.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:53 PM
Mar 2021

There are no jobs left for unemployed people to “return” to. Abbott’s order will do no more than sicken the entire state.

-Laelth

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
4. keep in mind that both Texas Senators will likely vote against that relief bill.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:53 PM
Mar 2021

If they would vote for it, Manchin wouldn't be holding anything up.

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
15. Do you really think I don't know that?
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:13 PM
Mar 2021

Change is coming in Texas, I'm sure. It will be blue again.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
10. Abbott is a HUGE part of the problem.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:02 PM
Mar 2021

Sure open up and keep the mask mandate! FFS, he can't even address the power outages and his own constituents that froze to death. He blamed it on green energy when it was gas and oil.

You are making this all about Manchin when it is not.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
33. Abbott
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:13 PM
Mar 2021

is a failure, now he wants more death in his state. Why is this criminal still there? Olivia Troye on Chris Hayes said Abbott does not care about people well she is correct about that.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
36. I have no clue why he is still there.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:57 PM
Mar 2021

He wants people to die, he just hopes it is the right people, poor, black and non white.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
11. Abbott is a piece of repuke SHIT
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:05 PM
Mar 2021

he does NOT CARE about people, ONLY about power

he really, REALLY wants attention taken away from the Texas grid disaster that HE AND HIS PARTY helped to facilitate

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
30. he has also politicized the virus in every way
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:10 PM
Mar 2021

even now, saying the state should not be able to tell us what to do - apparently the state of Texas was fine with interfering with election results....fucking HYPOCRITES

we are not ELITIST for hating that piece of shit, we are HUMAN

Javaman

(62,503 posts)
12. Yeah okay
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:08 PM
Mar 2021

Do you live I Texas? I do.

And because of asshole Abbott, who can’t fucking wait until a least a majority of us are vaccinated, we are now going to have a spike in cases at the end of the month.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
32. THANK YOU
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:12 PM
Mar 2021

TWO WEEKS after millions of Texans were forced to huddle together in the dark, FREEZING, also due to the incompetence of Abbott and fucked up party

Jirel

(2,014 posts)
14. FFS. Masks are not elitist. Masks stop no business from happening.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:10 PM
Mar 2021

You can sit in an office wearing a mask. You can get nails done wearing a mask. You can even do most hair services masked.

This is a Rethug talking point.

You know what you can’t do WITHOUT masks? Keep a pandemic from shutting schools and businesses, and filling hospitals to the breaking point. THAT is bad for business. Spring break week is going to be a massacre.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
41. masks allow you to stay open
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 03:25 AM
Mar 2021

opening without masks is a sure way to have an outbreak and close again.

Mersky

(4,979 posts)
16. Don't feed into the stupid idea that there's nothing more abbott could have done
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:14 PM
Mar 2021

Repugs like him were hostile to wearing masks from early on, and have made the outcomes worse. They’ve prolonged the pandemic’s impact with their misinformation and politicizing masks. It’s too early to return to 100% open and no mask mandate.

No masks will not help anyone forced to return to work in an unsafe environment, and I’d say it’s rather elitist to expect workers to accept it.

We’re still recovering from the grid disaster, and we haven’t even seen the numbers from virus exposures during that horrid week and the hurried scramble to make repairs.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,103 posts)
17. I could not disagree more with your subject line
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:18 PM
Mar 2021

What the HELL is wrong with requiring masks???????????????????

kcr

(15,314 posts)
18. Opening up early will not help economically
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:18 PM
Mar 2021

if it results in another wave. Everything will simply have to shut back down again and further drag out the whole shebang.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
20. Republicans want to get past the part of the covid story where they killed too many people...
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:20 PM
Mar 2021

...and hurt the economy more than it needed to be hurt by aiding the virus in its war on Americans. Abbott and the Republicans also screwed up the Texas electricity supply. Same thing. They crave a headline where they place a big bet and win a plushie, even though they lost the house, their wedding rings, and their souls in the first two big bets.

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
21. The government that is failing here is Texas' state government
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:21 PM
Mar 2021

And hundreds, maybe thousands will die who didn't have to.

But I guess stating the blazingly obvious make me an "elitist". Mkay.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. I have done everything since eat in dining since the pandemic
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:43 PM
Mar 2021

started. I took to wearing a mask in February, before the CDC or Dr. Fauci said to do so.

I think the Abbott rescinding the masking edict is stupidity on his part, but that doesn’t prevent a person from wearing a mask. It may create a problem for businesses that ask their employees to wear a mask, but businesses are private and have the option of regulating conduct on their property.

Here in Florida, DeSantis prevented localities from implementing mask wearing, until he was beaten back and allowed it for localities that wanted to mandate mask wearing requirements. In my area, you can’t get into a government building without a mask on and if a person takes it off, they get escorted out by security or the police. Private places are hit and miss, most have mask wearing that is not enforced.

I believe that race plays a subtle role in shaping the decisions that people like Noem, DeSantis, Abbott and most other republican governors are making. Covid is disproportionally sickening or killing people of color. I can promise you that if we one day have a virus that selectively kill Whites, boneheads like Abbott, DeSantis et al would be falling over themselves to lockdown all activity.

Chainfire

(17,471 posts)
23. Texas is going to be Texas, and the Texas Governor is going to be a Texas Governor.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:29 PM
Mar 2021

Same here in Florida. Everything for business nothing for people. Open it up Gov! Ignore the Virus, your people will love you for it. The Freeze damage is not a good reason for risking the health of the state, it is an excuse. People get the government that they deserve.

LowerManhattanite

(2,385 posts)
26. Texas had been on my "no travel dollars" list before...
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:47 PM
Mar 2021

...but even more so now.

Along with West Virginia, Florida, Alabama and Kentucky.

It’s not a safe or governmentally sane place to travel during this pandemic and I’m not going to reward it afterward with tourist dollars.

choie

(4,107 posts)
27. Sure! Let them infect the rest of the country...
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:59 PM
Mar 2021

so that they can be libertarian assholes. No problem! And then we in NY can spend our tax money to help these fuckers!

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
31. It's not elitist to condemn his decision to end the mask mandate. I want the people of TX
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:11 PM
Mar 2021

to have some common sense.

Maybe TX needs to reopen its businesses. But the LAST thing they should do is to choose this moment to also end the mask mandate.

DFW

(54,295 posts)
38. IF Abbott cared at all about the people in his state
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:45 PM
Mar 2021

He‘d be on the phone to our two Senators, Cornyn and Cruz, yelling at them to support the relief bill.

But he doesn‘t and he won‘t.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
39. You understand that VERY FEW businesses have had any restrictions for months in TX, right
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:49 PM
Mar 2021

Even bars found ways to magically becomes restaurants ex post facto...

What this does is allows maskholes and people who just aren't paying attention to endanger everyone...

Having said that, it looks like at least some businesses, sites will maintain strict mask policies...

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
40. if you open and there's an outbreak, businesses close even without being forced to
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 03:24 AM
Mar 2021

and those jobs are stopped or lost yet again.

and if there's an outbreak, people stay away, even if you're open.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
42. It's shitting on other states in this so-called union.
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 09:42 AM
Mar 2021

States that are trying to actually protect their residents with common sense public health policy.

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