De Blasio's payback: New York mayor unloads on wounded Cuomo

[Klaralven]

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is sticking it to Gov. Andrew Cuomo at every opportunity, seizing on the governor's misfortunes as crises pile up for his fellow Democrat and longtime rival.

De Blasio has called Cuomo’s alleged behavior “grotesque,” “perverse” and “terrifying,” saying Tuesday that he must resign if sexual harassment accusations lodged by multiple women are substantiated.

“If these allegations are true, he cannot govern,” the mayor told reporters.

There’s been no love lost between New York’s two top chief executives for years, with a simmering feud dating back to 2015 as the mayor was fashioning himself as a national progressive leader and the governor was slumping in the polls.

But de Blasio — conscious of the power that Cuomo wields over the city’s affairs and his willingness to use it to punish his foes — has usually been careful to couch his criticisms in a veneer of civility.

Now, with Cuomo looking vulnerable amid dual scandals involving sexual harassment allegations and Covid-19 nursing home deaths, de Blasio is telling the world what he really thinks.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2021/03/02/de-blasios-payback-new-york-mayor-unloads-on-wounded-cuomo-1366450

[Joinfortmill]

1. No matter what it's not a good look for DeBlasio

[redstateblues]

4. DeBlasio is almost as unpopular as Cuomo

[JI7]

6. DeBlasio is actually more unpopular than Cuomo

[ancianita]

70. Definitely. Someone told me they think he's behind this. Arguable, but I wouldn't put it past him.

I'd argue that he hasn't because his wife would be so all over him, reminding him that Cuomo's done waay more for Blacks in New York than he has, and how he had to call Cuomo to get help on how to do his job every other day for the first six months of the pandemic last year.

[Nixie]

2. Who stands to gain from getting rid of Cuomo.

That’s what the timing suggests this is all about.

[demtenjeep]

3. and our great old gal Gillibrand is all over it

like she was Franken

[Dem4Life1102]

7. Gillibrand and Schumer, like many others, have called for an investigation

They have not said Cuomo should resign which many other Democrats have called for.

[Nixie]

10. The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Dem4Life1102]

12. She couldn't have campaigned with Hillary Clinton

That would have been illegal. As Secretary of State, Clinton was barred from participating in political campaigns.

[Nixie]

13. Look up Gillibrand and Hillary not on speaking terms.

That’s what I’m referring to, obviously. You don’t remember that Gillibrand accepted the Clinton's help?

[Dem4Life1102]

14. What help?

And I’m just pointing out that Hillary Clinton could not have campaigned for Gillibrand while she was Secretary of State.

[Nixie]

15. I'm talking about Gillibrand and her comments about

Bill Clinton. Your many sidebars don’t relate to her comments about Bill Clinton.

[BlueLucy]

50. Hillary campaigned for her in her first house race. nt

[Dem4Life1102]

52. True

but not for Senate which was what was claimed.

[BlueLucy]

54. They probably meant house.

Both Bill and Hillary campaigned for Gillibrand during her first house race. So Gillibrand accepting the Clinton's help when she was new to politics is true.

[Nixie]

142. Thank you for your common sense response. Yes, I do remember Bill and Hillary

campaigning for Gillibrand. The words "campaigning for" seem to be the confusing part for that poster, which completely omits the obvious context of my post -- Gillibrand's 2017 comments about Bill Clinton in contrast to her previous willingness to accept their help when she needed it.

Thanks for this reminder about their help. Of course, the senate seat was Hillary's, so the Clinton association was obvious, as well. It's looking like that poster has other reasons to continue this....

[Dem4Life1102]

16. And I'm just pointing out that that Hillary Clinton

could not have campaigned for Gillibrand when she was SOS from 09 to 13.

[Nixie]

17. Actually, what you're doing is going off on an unnecessary direction that

my post didn't intend. There are pictures of Bill Clinton with Gillibrand and he helped fundraise with her. Bill Clinton is Hillary's husband. Presumably, Bill would not have campaigned for anyone his wife objected to.

So this is an unnecessary tangent again. The point is what Gillibrand said about Bill Clinton after having accepted his and their help for Hillary's senate seat. That's what people seem to be forgetting about Gillibrand. It wasn't just her position about sexual harassment in general.

[Dem4Life1102]

18. I'm just pointing out facts

And bringing up the Clintons and Gillibrand in a the about Andrew Cuomo is a completely unnecessary direction.

[Nixie]

19. Someone brought up Gillibrand and I responded. It's also a fact what Gillibrand said about

Bill Clinton.

[Dem4Life1102]

20. Sure

but it is not a fact that Hillary Clinton campaigned for her. I just pointed that out.

[Nixie]

21. It is a fact that Hillary's husband did. That's what the post was about. Not a tangent

about where in the world Hillary was at the time Hillary's husband was helping Gillibrand. It was Hillary's senate seat, and Hillary didn't object to Gillibrand, and Hillary's husband helped Gillibrand. The point being that the Gillibrand used the Clinton name/brand to help her get Hillary's senate seat.

The main point being, again, that Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton are what seems to be forgotten after accepting their help. Not her position on sexual harassment in general.

[Dem4Life1102]

22. Hillary had no power to object to Gillibrand

That was up to New York's Governor David Patterson.

And what is the point of bringing up Gillibrand or Clinton in a thread about Cuomo?

[Nixie]

23. Another tangent that has nothing to do with Gillibrand's comments about

Bill Clinton.

This is the third time you're off on a tangent about why Gillibrand is in this thread. Someone brought her up, and I responded.

If you're still confused, a quick Google about Gillibrand's 2017 comments on Bill Clinton and resigning will help.

[Dem4Life1102]

24. And Gillibrand's comments about Clinton

have nothing to do with Andrew Cuomo. That is the tangent.

And frankly I'm far more concerned about what she can accomplish for the people than what she said about a retired former President.

[Nixie]

25. Except that now you're pretending this isn't about politicians being forced to resign

over sexual harassment charges, hence the poster's reference to Gillibrand.

You can start a thread about Gillibrand's accomplishments.

The comments in this thread were about de Blasio's comments and Cuomo, and that's why someone also brought up Gillibrand, apparently. All are contained in the context/subject matter of sexual harassment charges and resigning.

[Dem4Life1102]

26. Yes someone brought up Gillibrand

who hasn't called for Cuomo to resign.

[Nixie]

27. That's not what the poster said, either. Another unnecessary tangent.

The poster's comment is still in this thread about Gillibrand.

[Dem4Life1102]

28. Bringing up Gillibrand was an unnecessary tangent

Then injecting Bill Clinton was another unnecessary tangent. And claiming that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate was just out and out untrue.

All of which has nothing to do with Andrew Cuomo.

[Nixie]

29. More deliberate obtuseness. de Blasio is a New York politician. Gillibrand is a New York

politician. So if you can't follow the Gillibrand/Clinton reference, that's okay to admit.

My comment was about Gillibrand accepting the Clinton's help for Hillary's senate seat, and then her 2017 comments about Bill Clinton and how he should have resigned over sexual harassment allegations.

[Dem4Life1102]

31. Gillibrand/Clinton is a tangent

which has nothing to do with Cuomo. And the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand was not the truth. I merely pointed that out. We shouldn't be afraid of the truth.

[Nixie]

32. It's okay to admit that you don't understand the poster's reference to Gillibrand.

I understood it and responded to it. Time to move on now.

[Dem4Life1102]

33. I understood it

And saw the factual error in the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate. I just pointed out that factual error.

[Nixie]

34. Washington Post: Why Kirsten Gillibrand's bold statement that Bill Clinton should've resigned is a

big deal

No, you were on a tangent. It's also factual what Gillibrand said about Bill Clinton, and that is the subject matter -- Politician's resigning over sexual harassment claims. My point was that people are forgetting that Gillibrand accepted the Clinton's help for Hillary's senate seat and then came out in 2017 with the comments about Bill Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/

[Dem4Life1102]

35. No I was pointing out a factual error

that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate.

[Nixie]

36. It is factually correct what Gillibrand said about Bill Clinton resigning

Bill Clinton is Hillary's husband. Where Hillary was doesn't add or detract from what Gillibrand said about Bill Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/

[Dem4Life1102]

37. Never disputed what Gillibrand said

Just that Hillary Clinton campaigned for her for Senate which is not the truth.

[Nixie]

38. The Clinton donors are the same that Gillibrand used. Gillibrand needed their help

to win Hillary's seat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/

And you have disputed that Gillibrand's comments about Bill have nothing to do with Cuomo, thereby demonstrating that you do not understand why a poster brought her up. It's okay to admit that.

[Dem4Life1102]

39. They do have nothing to do with Cuomo

It is a tangent. As is the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate which is also untrue.

[Nixie]

40. Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat.

Bill Clinton helped Gillibrand gain access and acceptance from Hillary's donors. The Clinton's helped Gillibrand.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/


It's okay to admit you do not understand why Gillibrand was brought up in this thread about de Blasio commenting on Cuomo.

[Nixie]

43. Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat.

Bill Clinton helped Gillibrand gain access and acceptance from Hillary's donors. The Clinton's helped Gillibrand.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/


It's okay to admit you do not understand why Gillibrand was brought up in this thread about de Blasio commenting on Cuomo.

[Dem4Life1102]

45. Maybe so

I'm not disputing that. I'm just pointing out that Hillary Clinton could not have campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate as was initially claimed.

And I do understand exactly why Gillibrand was brought up and it has nothing to do with either Cuomo or de Blasio.

[Nixie]

46. Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/

It's okay to admit that you do not understand the conversational segue to Gillibrand, who said in 2017 that Bill Clinton should have resigned, to de Blasio saying that Cuomo should resign. It's okay to admit that the part about what people seem to be forgetting about Gillibrand's comments is that she took help from the Clintons' and then later said he should have resigned.

[Dem4Life1102]

47. Again maybe she did

But Hillary Clinton couldn't have campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate. That initial claim is not true.

And again, I understand why this was brought up and it has nothing to do with Cuomo and de Blasio.

[Nixie]

48. Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat.

Of course the Clinton's helped Gillibrand's campaign. You are just pretending that that the typed words "campaigned for" mean something different than helping with branding and access to donors. The Clinton brand was fine for Gillibrand when she campaigned for Hillary's senate seat, but then she changed her tune with her 2017 comments about Bill Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/

It's clear you don't understand the Gillibrand comment from another poster, so no need to keep commenting that you do not understand the context of the comments.

[Dem4Life1102]

51. Again I'm not disputing that

My point is and has always been that Hillary Clinton could not have campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate as was initially claimed. And I'm taking the words 'campaigned for' at face value, not as something that suddenly means something else. (BTW Even behind the scenes campaigning is illegal for Cabinet Secretaries.)

And again I do understand the point of injecting Gillibrand in this thread. It has nothing to do with De Blasio and Cuomo who were never allies and have always been hostile to each other so there is no analogy to the Gillibrand/Clinton situation.

[Nixie]

56. Nothing you are hung up on means a thing about my point. It's just empty sidebars.

The Clinton's helped to elect Gillibrand. You can spend the whole day and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow complaining about a 3-letter word here and there, but it doesn't change what my original post was about. lol

It's obvious you don't understand the point about Gillibrand. We've already discussed that another poster mentioned it and I understood it completely, so that's all that matters. I understood the poster and answered them. lol
'

[Dem4Life1102]

58. Your original post said

that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate which is not true. And I do understand the point you’re making about Gillibrand but it has nothing to do with Cuomo or De Blasio.

[Nixie]

59. Nothing you are saying changes my point. The Clinton's

helped get Gillibrand elected. You can go on all day today, all day tomorrow, and all day the day after tomorrow, but your focus on little 3-letter words does not change what I said.

You keep repeating your mantra about Gillibrand and Cuomo, but that just proves you don’t understand what the other poster meant and what I responded to. Don’t worry, though, because I understood them and that’s why I answered them.

[Dem4Life1102]

61. Your point is factually inaccurate

Bill Clinton did one fundraiser. Hillary Clinton didn’t campaign for Gillibrand. She was already appointed to the Senate by Governor Patterson. Gillibrand didn’t owe her election to the Clinton.

And there is nothing similar to the situation between Cuomo and DeBlasio. Cuomo and De Blasio have never been allies. Clinton had been out of office for over 15 years when Gillibrand made her statement while Cuomo is still in office. There was only one reason to interject Gillibrand and Clinton into with a false claim and it has nothing to do with Cuomo or De Blasio.

[Nixie]

62. Nothing you are saying changes my point.

The Clinton brand was fine with Gillibrand when she was campaigning for Hillary’s senate seat. Gillibrand was smart enough not to badmouth them at the time. Then she made comments about Bill in 2017.

You are the last person to be explaining what two other posters meant about Gillibrand when you don’t understand the connection.

[Dem4Life1102]

64. Which still has nothing to do with Cuomo or de Blasio

There is no connection. The two situations are completely different. And she already had the Senate seat and Hillary Clinton never campaigned for her as was claimed.

[Nixie]

66. Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat.

"Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

“Kirsten has inspired the band to get back together,” said Karen Finney, who was a deputy press secretary for Mrs. Clinton in the White House and is now advising Ms. Gillibrand. “It’s nice to be working for another great woman from New York.”


It's obvious that you don't understand why the other poster brought up Gillibrand, and it's okay to admit that. You don't get to dictate to other posters the comments that they read and understand.

[Dem4Life1102]

69. Donors, advisers and operatives

Not Hillary Clinton herself which was the false claim I pointed out. And which article confirms:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state

And it still has nothing to do with Cuomo and De Blasio which is a completely different situation.

[Nixie]

71. Nothing you are saying changes my point.

Here's the NYTimes talking about the Clintons' helping get Gillibrand elected.

"Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

“Kirsten has inspired the band to get back together,” said Karen Finney, who was a deputy press secretary for Mrs. Clinton in the White House and is now advising Ms. Gillibrand. “It’s nice to be working for another great woman from New York.”

It's obvious you don't understand what the other poster meant about Gillibrand, but I did, so that's all that matters.

[Dem4Life1102]

74. Your point was factually incorrect

because you claim was that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate. She didn’t. That is a simple fact. And the point has nothing to do with Cuomo and De Blasio.

[Nixie]

75. Here is Gillibrand using the Clinton brand to help get herself elected. Your sidebar

about where Clinton stood relative to where Gillibrand stood on any given day is really a useless waste of time. I'll stick with the NYTimes assessment of the situation -- the Clintons' helped get Gillibrand elected.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And it's obvious you don't understand why Gillibrand was brought up, so it's okay to admit that.

[Dem4Life1102]

78. And The NY Times assessment clearly states

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

Which proves the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate was false. And they didn’t help Gillibrand get elected since she had already been appointed to the seat by Patterson, so that claim is false as well.

[Nixie]

80. The Clintons' helped Gillibrand get elected. It's not a comment about what bus

Hillary took to meet Gillibrand at a Gillibrand rally. It's a comment that the Clintons' helped get Gillibrand elected. I'll stick with the NYTimes, which seems to understand that Gillibrand also ran an actual campaign and doesn't need useless sidebars about why a successor had to be appointed when she vacated that seat to join the Obama Administration. lol, another sidebar.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

“Kirsten has inspired the band to get back together,” said Karen Finney, who was a deputy press secretary for Mrs. Clinton in the White House and is now advising Ms. Gillibrand. “It’s nice to be working for another great woman from New York.”

[Dem4Life1102]

83. Not a useless sidebar

but a simple fact. Just as it is a fact that Hillary Clinton never campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate.

[Nixie]

84. I'll stick with the NYTimes "simple facts" which prove that they understand that

the Clintons' helped get Gillibrand elected.


Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

“Kirsten has inspired the band to get back together,” said Karen Finney, who was a deputy press secretary for Mrs. Clinton in the White House and is now advising Ms. Gillibrand. “It’s nice to be working for another great woman from New York.”

[Dem4Life1102]

85. And The NY Times simple facts state

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state

Which proves the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate is false.

[Nixie]

86. Nothing you say changes my point. It's a total sidebar.

Here's the NYTimes understanding the help that Gillibrand got from the Clintons'.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

“Kirsten has inspired the band to get back together,” said Karen Finney, who was a deputy press secretary for Mrs. Clinton in the White House and is now advising Ms. Gillibrand. “It’s nice to be working for another great woman from New York.”

[Dem4Life1102]

87. And your point is a total sidebar

to the situation between Cuomo and de Blasio, well as being factually inaccurate.

[Nixie]

89. Here's the NYTimes understanding the help Gillibrand got from the Clintons'

I'll stick with the NYTimes assessment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html
"But as Ms. Gillibrand tries to resolve those problems, she will have significant help from Mrs. Clinton’s world."

I understood what the other poster was saying about Gillibrand, but it's okay if you don't. It's okay.

[Dem4Life1102]

92. And the Times clearly stated

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state

Nowhere does it say that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate or directly helped Gillibrand’s campaign.

[Nixie]

96. I'll stick with the NYTimes assessment of how much the

Clinton’s helped Gillibrand get elected.

Your sidebar doesn’t change that Gillibrand took the Clinton’s help when she needed it during her campaign, then had negative comments about Bill in 2017.

[Dem4Life1102]

97. And the Times assessment stated

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

Which proves the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate false.

[Nixie]

49. Hillary Clinton helping Gillibrand campaign...

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

[Dem4Life1102]

53. People with ties to Clinton

not Hillary Clinton herself which has always been my point.

[Nixie]

55. You really have no point since what you're hung up about doesn't change

what I said at all. You never mentioned "people with ties to Clinton" until I posted an article that contradicted you.

[Dem4Life1102]

57. No

Hillary Clinton never campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate. Simple fact. And nothing posted has contradicted that.

[Nixie]

60. Nothing you say changes my point. The Clintons'

helped get Gillibrand elected, so the Clinton brand, both Hillary Clinton’ brand and Bill Clinton’s brand were okay with her when she needed them.

[Dem4Life1102]

63. I'm just correcting a false statement

and she really didn’t need them. She won the primary in 10 with 76% of the vote and the election with 63%. Hardly close races. She won re-election in 12 with 73%.

And there is nothing similar with the situation between Cuomo and De Blasio.

[Nixie]

65. The Clinton's helped Gillibrand get elected. Your focus on a couple words

doesn't change that. lol

What another tangent/sidebar to bring up Gillibrand's win margins. That's just more proof that the Clinton's endorsements and help were positives for Gillibrand. The point being that Gillibrand used their brand and help when she was running for Hillary's senate seat.

It's okay to say you don't understand why the other poster brought up Gillibrand. It's obvious you didn't read the comments before that, which is okay to admit, as well.

[Dem4Life1102]

67. Bill Clinton did one fundraiser

And Hillary Clinton didn’t do anything to help because because she was legally barred from doing so. She was already appointed to the seat and didn’t need either Clinton’s help to secure it. And it still has nothing to do with the Cuomo and De Blasio situation.

[Nixie]

68. Here's the Clintons' helping Gillibrand from the NYTimes

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

"Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

“Kirsten has inspired the band to get back together,” said Karen Finney, who was a deputy press secretary for Mrs. Clinton in the White House and is now advising Ms. Gillibrand. “It’s nice to be working for another great woman from New York.”

It's obvious you don't understand why Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton resigning over sexual harassment allegations were brought up.

[Dem4Life1102]

72. Again they refer to donors, operatives and advisers

Not Hillary Clinton herself which was claimed.

And Bill was out of office for over 15 years when Gillibrand made her comment. So there is no similarity between that and the Cuomo situation.

[Nixie]

73. Here's Gillibrand using the Clinton brand to help get herself elected.

Nothing you say changes my point.

"Even as rival Democrats are lining up to challenge to Kirsten E. Gillibrand next year, the new senator is acquiring a major advantage: much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s extensive New York network of campaign operatives, donors and advisers.

Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And while Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is secretary of state, there is little doubt about where the Clintons’ loyalty lies: On Wednesday, Bill Clinton himself will headline an Upper East Side fund-raiser for Ms. Gillibrand.

“Kirsten has inspired the band to get back together,” said Karen Finney, who was a deputy press secretary for Mrs. Clinton in the White House and is now advising Ms. Gillibrand. “It’s nice to be working for another great woman from New York.”

Your sidebar about Bill Clinton and 15 years is really a funny sidebar. The subject matter is resigning over sexual harassment allegations, so that you would say that just shows you are just throwing up words.

[Dem4Life1102]

76. Reposting the same article over and over

doesn’t prove your point especially since it states that Hillary Clinton wasn’t involved in Gillibrand’s campaign which was what was claimed.

And it still doesn’t change that the situation with Cuomo and de Blasio is completely different.

[Nixie]

77. Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat.

"Since Ms. Gillibrand was appointed in January, top Clinton aides have signed on to her campaign or Senate staff. Others with ties to Mrs. Clinton have worked to help smooth over rifts with groups that are skeptical of Ms. Gillibrand’s relatively conservative voting record. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s top presidential fund-raisers have joined Ms. Gillibrand’s finance team to help her raise the $70 million or more she will need for the 2010 and 2012 elections."
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

It's okay to admit you don't understand why another poster brought up Gillibrand.

[Dem4Life1102]

79. Donors

Not Hillary Clinton herself which was what was claimed.

And I fully understand why Gillibrand was brought up but it has nothing to do with Cuomo.

[Dorian Gray]

81. The longest and most didactic subthread I've ever seen

Gah.

Who won?

Not deBlasio or Cuomo.

[Nixie]

82. Oh yeah, I've seen this for days. Which proves my point, as well. This really isn't

about understanding points posted. It's about something else entirely.

[Dem4Life1102]

88. 😂 lol

[Dem4Life1102]

90. Not what the article says

Just that people with ties to Clinton also worked for Gillibrand. That’s not unusual in the same state and party.

[Nixie]

91. lol, I love your backtracking. I'll stick with the NYTimes assessment of

how much the Clintons' helped Gillibrand get elected.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

"But as Ms. Gillibrand tries to resolve those problems, she will have significant help from Mrs. Clinton’s world."

[Dem4Life1102]

93. No backtracking

I stand by my original statement that Hillary Clinton never campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate which the article confirmed.

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

[Nixie]

95. That has nothing to do with my point.

I’ll stick with the NYTimes assessment of how much help Gillibrand got from the Clinton’s.

Your highlighted area just shows how pointless your interaction here is now. It’s common knowledge that Hillary left her seat to be in Obama’s cabinet. Where Hillary was doesn’t mean that the Clinton’s didn’t help Gillibrand get elected.

[Dem4Life1102]

98. And the article doesn't say that

Just that people with ties to Clinton not Hillary Clinton herself. Nothing unusual in the same state and party.

[Nixie]

99. Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat.

It says right in the article what my point was. You are just backtracking now since I posted an article that contradicted you.


https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

[Dem4Life1102]

101. Donors, yes

But no candidate owns donors and it is not unusual for candidates in the same party and state to have the same donors. But that is different than Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate which was what the original claim was, which is false and the article confirms. BTW Gillibrand didn’t need to win the seat, sh already had it.

[Nixie]

104. Day Two: The point was Gillibrand's 2017 comments about Bill Clinton. That was the point,

it was the point all day yesterday, and it will be the point all day today and all day tomorrow and all day the day after tomorrow.

My original claim was not the rabbit hole you are insisting on. My original claim remains that Gillibrand took help from the Clintons to get elected and had no qualms about the Clinton brand at that time when she needed their help. Then in 2017, she made a claim that Bill Clinton should have resigned over sexual harassment allegations. That is the point.

And I'll take the NYTimes assessment over your ad libbing about what Gillibrand needed.

LOL at you having to backtrack about donors. Oh, yes, donors. Gillibrand did need those, didn't she. Thanks to the NYTimes for pointing that out. I'll bet you'll finally backtrack over their other very good points about how much help Gillibrand needed from the Clintons'.

[Dem4Life1102]

107. You original claim was false

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

109. The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons

to get elected to Hillary's senate seat. She was fine with using the Clinton brand while she was running for Hillary's seat. Then she came out with 2017 comments about Bill resigning because of sexual harassment claims.

[Dem4Life1102]

111. Sure but

this statement is not true:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

And has nothing to do with Cuomo and de Blasio who have never been political allies.

[Nixie]

113. The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons

I'll stick with the NYTimes assessment over how much help Gillibrand got from the Clintons.

"She is not well known downstate, where Democratic primaries are lost and won. In a recent Marist College poll, only 18 percent of Democrats rated Ms. Gillibrand as doing an excellent or good job, while more than half were unsure. And she must quell suspicions among some black and Latino leaders over positions she has taken on gun rights, immigration and other issues.

But as Ms. Gillibrand tries to resolve those problems, she will have significant help from Mrs. Clinton’s world."

And you've made it clear for 24 hours that you don't understand why Gillibrand was brought up by another poster, but I understood it and answered it, so that's all that matters. You don't need to understand.

[Dem4Life1102]

115. But this statement is not true

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

And is in no way similar to Cuomo and de Blasio.

[Nixie]

116. The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons

That was the point, and the NYTimes article shows the context of my comment. I know you are hung up on that as a rabbit hole, but the NYTimes article contradicts your insistence that the Clintons' didn't help Gillibrand, but they did.

[Dem4Life1102]

119. No I'm hung up on accuracy

And the article never says the Clinton’s helped Gillibrand, just the same people who supported Hillary Clinton supported Gillibrand. Nothing unusual in the same state and party. And the article doesn’t support the claim:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

120. No, you're hung up on a rabbit hole. The entire article shows exactly what

my point is. The Clinton brand was fine for Gillibrand when she needed it to run for Hillary's senate seat. The Clintons' actively supported her during her run and she had access to their political machine. It doesn't mean that Hillary quit her job and her life and hopped on Gillibrand's rally bus.

[Dem4Life1102]

122. No my point is that this claim is false

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

124. Your claim is a rather silly rabbit hole. We know Hillary didn't quit her job to

be a Gillibrand rally girl.

The NYTimes has a serious evaluation of the help Clinton gave Gillibrand to win Hillary's senate seat.

"She is not well known downstate, where Democratic primaries are lost and won. In a recent Marist College poll, only 18 percent of Democrats rated Ms. Gillibrand as doing an excellent or good job, while more than half were unsure. And she must quell suspicions among some black and Latino leaders over positions she has taken on gun rights, immigration and other issues.

But as Ms. Gillibrand tries to resolve those problems, she will have significant help from Mrs. Clinton’s world."

[Dem4Life1102]

126. So you admit that this claim is false

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

[Nixie]

127. lol, that sentence changes nothing from the point I made. Of course I read

it in the article. It's still amusing you think that is some gotcha rabbit hole, when the facts remain that Hillary didn't quit her job or her political aspirations of her own to join Gillibrand's rally bus waving pom poms. The context was and remains that the Clintons' actively supported her, and you obviously take active support to the lowest element of campaign operations. The Clintons' operate at a very high level in politics, and I thought that was understood.

That's funny that you have to backtrack over Clinton's donors. Gillibrand needed the Clintons' help and she got it. There is no denying that. That was the poiint.

[Dem4Life1102]

129. This is your original post

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Nothing about donors or supporters or operatives. But the claim you did make was proven false by the very article that you posted:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

And by your own admission:

the facts remain that Hillary didn't quit her job or her political aspirations of her own to join Gillibrand's rally bus waving pom poms.

[Nixie]

132. lol, my original comment was to another poster, demtemjeep. That simple comment was understood

by them, so it really isn't a comment to you. The question now is why you are spending two days on a simple point and desperately trying to crawl down rabbit holes. If you take the context of what demtemjeep said and then what I said, you will see that we understood one another. You are trying to extract two words for your rabbit hole even after it's been explained for close to a day now.

You also did not understand why demtemjeep brought up Gillibrand, but I understood and that's why I answered them. Sorry if you are not following along.

[Dem4Life1102]

134. My point is accuracy

This claim is not true

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

As confirmed by the article you posted:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

And your own admission:

Hillary didn't quit her position in the Obama administration or quit her own political aspirations to become a Gilllibrand rally girl.

And I fully understand why Gillibrand (and Clinton) were brought up and it has nothing to do with the Cuomo and de Blasio situation.

[Nixie]

135. Nothing you post changes what my point was, which you admit to

when acknowledging Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors.

The Clintons' aren't commoners in the political world. They are elites. So in that context, their help is on their level. I'm sorry you think my comment was about Hillary quitting her job and joining Gillibrand's rally bus.

You don't understand why the poster brought up Gillibrand, but I understood what they meant, and that's all that matters. You don't have to understand what other posters are talking about.

[Dem4Life1102]

137. Yet your original post says nothing about donors

What it does say is:

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Which has been proven false by the very article that you posted:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

And I fully understand why Gillibrand was brought up and it has nothing to do with Cuomo and de Blasio since the two situations are completely different.

[Nixie]

139. My original post was to another poster who understood. You obviously don't.

It says right in my post that the context is what she said about Bill Clinton. I also didn't say it was from 2017, but since you are so confused, I've pointed that out for you, as well. I've also since pointed out the NYTimes article which contradicts your assertion that I said the Clinton's were Gillibrand gophers for her campaign. Obviously they weren't rally organizers or gophers for Gillibrand. They contributed at the level of the political stature -- political elites.

You don't understand why Gillibrand was brought up and why the other poster brought up Gillibrand. I understood, and the comment was addressed to me, so that's all that matter.

[Dem4Life1102]

141. Your original post was on a public message board

It wasn’t a private message and it said:

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Which was proven false by the the Times article:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

And again I fully understand why Gillibrand was brought up and it has nothing to do with Cuomo. Let’s stop pretending that it did.

[Nixie]

145. you are omitting the context about Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton.

You keep omitting the context.

I just looked and BlueLucy set you straight in this thread. Bill Clinton and Hillary campaigned for Gillibrand in the house. You are just continuing a rabbit hole about the senate seat as if that never happened. The Clinton's did not quit supporting Gillibrand during her senate run for Hillary's seat.

[Dem4Life1102]

147. Yes they did for the house seat

but Hillary did not campaign for Gillibrand for Senate which was the claim.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

148. The claim was Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton

You keep omitting the context.

[Dem4Life1102]

151. Not disputing Gillibrand's comments

Just that this claim about Hillary Clinton is not true.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

154. You keep omitting the context, which was Gillibrand's comments about Clinton.

The Clinton's supported Gillibrand in her house run and her senate run. They didn't quit supporting her. That's the context.

[Dem4Life1102]

158. Doesn't change the fact

That this claim about Hillary Clinton is not true.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

160. It doesn't change the fact that you are omitting the first sentence,

which is about Gillibrand's comments about Bill.

[Dem4Life1102]

165. Okay

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Still doesn’t change the fact that the claim about Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate is not true.

[Nixie]

167. You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton.

The Clinton's never stopped supporting Gillibrand, whether for the house or senate. She had their support. You can rabbit hole it all you want, but those are really the "facts."

[Dem4Life1102]

170. Maybe so

But this claim about Hillary Clinton is not true

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

176. Definitely so. You are definitely trying to change the context, so you really aren't that

concerned about what you claimed to be concerned about.

[Dem4Life1102]

178. Again not changing anything

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Just pointing out that the claim about Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate is false.

[Nixie]

152. So now you are forced to admit that the Clintons' did campaign for Gillibrand.

That was the context of my comment -- she accepted their help and their brand when she needed it.

[Dem4Life1102]

155. Never denied that they campaigned for the house seat.

My point has always been that Hillary Clinton never campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate as was the original claim.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

157. The context was Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton. You keep omitting

that sentence. The Clintons' never quit supporting Gillibrand.

[Dem4Life1102]

162. Still doesn't change the fact that

this claim about Hillary Clinton is untrue.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

166. You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments

about Bill Clinton. The Clintons' never stopped supporting Gillibrand through her house and senate runs.

[Dem4Life1102]

171. Again

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Context doesn’t change that the claim about Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate is false.

[Nixie]

173. You keep trying to change the context, which is right there in the first sentence.

The context is Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton. The Clintons' never stopped supporting Gillibrand.

[Dem4Life1102]

175. Not changing anything

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Just pointing out that the claim about Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate is not true.

[Nixie]

177. the context is in the first sentence. I'm just pointing out that what the context is

Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton.

[Dem4Life1102]

179. Fine

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

But the claim about Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate is still not the truth.

[Nixie]

182. Thanks for your concern, but it's not relevant.

[Dem4Life1102]

184. Maybe not to you

But I am concerned with the truth.

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

And the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate is not the truth.

[Nixie]

100. I'll stick with the NYTimes article about how much the Clintons' helped Gillibrand

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/nyregion/11gillibrand.html

She is not well known downstate, where Democratic primaries are lost and won. In a recent Marist College poll, only 18 percent of Democrats rated Ms. Gillibrand as doing an excellent or good job, while more than half were unsure. And she must quell suspicions among some black and Latino leaders over positions she has taken on gun rights, immigration and other issues.

But as Ms. Gillibrand tries to resolve those problems, she will have significant help from Mrs. Clinton’s world.

[Dem4Life1102]

102. So will I and it says

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

And since she was the sitting Senator, Gillibrand was petty well known down state. And “Mrs. Clinton’s world “ is still not the same as Hillary Clinton herself campaigning for Gillibrand herself which was the original false claim.

[Nixie]

103. None of this changes my point about Gillibrand's 2017 comments about Bill Clinton

It's just a complete rabbit hole that you are pursuing and has nothing to do with my original comment. And "Clinton's world" is Hillary, since it is her world. You are pretending that two words completely change a point I was making, but it doesn't change a thing. Obviously Clinton didn't quit her job in the Obama Administration to ride around on Gillibrand's rally bus, so your insistence that the point was where Hillary spent her time is a complete sideshow.

Now you're just completely ad libbing and rewriting an article, but I'll take their word and not yours.

"She is not well known downstate, where Democratic primaries are lost and won. In a recent Marist College poll, only 18 percent of Democrats rated Ms. Gillibrand as doing an excellent or good job, while more than half were unsure. And she must quell suspicions among some black and Latino leaders over positions she has taken on gun rights, immigration and other issues.

But as Ms. Gillibrand tries to resolve those problems, she will have significant help from Mrs. Clinton’s world."

[Dem4Life1102]

105. You're point is factually inaccurate

Hillary Clinton never campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate as was claimed which the article confirms.

From your original post:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

From the article:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

[Nixie]

106. The point is that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons' and had no qualms about

the Clinton brand when she needed their help. I know you are hung up on your rabbit hole, but that wasn't the point.

The NTTimes article makes all the points very well. The sentence you think is your rabbit hole does not change the facts in the rest of the article about how much help Gillibrand got from the Clintons.

[Dem4Life1102]

108. Fine

But your claim:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Is false.

[Nixie]

110. The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons

Per the NYTimes article, Gillibrand accepted help from Hillary and her world. We all know that means the Clinton political machine, another term for it. She was fine with the Clinton brand when she needed them for her political campaign, then came out with 2017 comments about Bill Clinton.

"She is not well known downstate, where Democratic primaries are lost and won. In a recent Marist College poll, only 18 percent of Democrats rated Ms. Gillibrand as doing an excellent or good job, while more than half were unsure. And she must quell suspicions among some black and Latino leaders over positions she has taken on gun rights, immigration and other issues.

But as Ms. Gillibrand tries to resolve those problems, she will have significant help from Mrs. Clinton’s world."

[Dem4Life1102]

112. Don't rewrite the article

Nothing in it supports your claim:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

114. The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons

You are the one rewriting the article to omit the parts about how much help the Clintons' gave Gillibrand. The entire article covers how much help she got from them.

[Dem4Life1102]

117. No the article says people who supported Clinton

also supported Gillibrand. Nothing unusual in the same state and party. But nothing in the article supported the claim:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

118. The article talks about how much help Gillibrand got from the Clintons

That's what the point is. I think it's funny you've had to concede that Hillary's donors did help Gillibrand after all.

[Dem4Life1102]

121. No it says how much help Gillibrand got from

the same people who supported Clinton. And I’ve conceded nothing since I never denied that people who donated to Clinton also donated to Gillibrand. My point has always been that this claim is false:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Which the article confirms:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

[Nixie]

123. You're rewriting the entire article to fit into one fairly silly rabbit hole.

We know that Hillary didn't quit her job in the Obama administration to join Gillibrand's rally bus and wave Gillibrand pom poms at Gillibrand rallies. So that context is a complete rabbit hole.

I'll take the NTTimes assessment which supports my point. The point was that Gillibrand took the Clinton brand and all the help from that brand to win Hillary's senate seat. Then she made comments about Bill in 2017. That's the point.

[Dem4Life1102]

125. No your original claim was

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Which has been proven false by the very article that you posted which states:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

[Nixie]

128. My original point was that the Clintons' helped Gillibrand and then she turned

on them with comments about Bill. She accepted the Clinton brand when she needed it to win Hillary's seat. Obviously Hillary didn't quit her position in the Obama administration or quit her own political aspirations to become a Gilllibrand rally girl.

[Dem4Life1102]

130. No your original claim was

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Which you now admit is false:

Hillary didn't quit her position in the Obama administration or quit her own political aspirations to become a Gilllibrand rally girl.

[Nixie]

131. It's not false that the Clintons' helped Gillibrand. Your rabbit hole is trying to make

the Clinton commoners in the political world and they are not. They actively supported Gillibrand as was clearly outlined in the NYTimes article. The Clintons active supported Gillibrand for Hillary's senate seat.

[Dem4Life1102]

133. But the claim

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Was proven false by the article which states:

Mrs. Clinton seems likely to shy away from electoral politics now that she is Secretary of State

[Nixie]

136. The claim was that people are forgetting that Gillibrand's comments about Bill

were in the context of her accepting their brand/help some years prior when she needed them to win Hillary's senate seat. Bill is a former President of the United States. Hillary Clinton is a former First Lady and was a sitting Senator from the state of New York. The help Gillibrand got from the Clintons was on the level of their stature. Obviously. Your rabbit hole is insinuating that they are commoners in the political world and "campaigning for" means getting on rally buses, when there is so much more to campaigning than that.

What's funny is that the poster I was addressing understood that, but you are having trouble making the connection.

[Dem4Life1102]

138. Not insinuating anything

other than that this claim is false:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

140. You are omitting the part about Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton.

That sets up the context for you, but you prefer your rabbit hole. Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton is the context of the post. The other poster understood that, but you are having trouble.

[Dem4Life1102]

143. I never said anything about Gillibrand's comments

My point has always been that this claim is not true:

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

146. You are omitting the context. The context was Gillibrand's comments about

Bill Clinton. You keep omitting that. No wonder you are confused.

[Dem4Life1102]

149. Not at all confused

Just pointing out that this claim is not true.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

150. You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments

about Bill Clinton.

[Dem4Life1102]

153. Irrelevant to the fact that

this claim about Hillary Clinton is not true.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

156. You keep omitting the first sentence, which is the context. The Clintons'

never quit supporting Gillilbrand.

[Dem4Life1102]

159. Does not change the fact

that this claim is not true.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

161. It doesn't change the fact that Gillibrand accepted help throughout

her political career from the Clintons. You keep omitting the real context.

[Dem4Life1102]

163. Maybe so

But this claim about Hillary Clinton is not true.

That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

[Nixie]

164. You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's

comments about Bill Clinton. The Clintons' supported Gillibrand throughout her career.

[Dem4Life1102]

168. Fine

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Doesn’t change that the claim about Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate is false.

[Nixie]

169. You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments about

Bill Clinton.

[Dem4Life1102]

172. Nope included it

This is your complete post.

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

And the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate is not true.

[Nixie]

174. The context is there in the first sentence. You are ignoring the context in

favor of a rabbit hole that doesn't change anything. lol

[Dem4Life1102]

180. The context of the first sentence

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Doesn’t change that the claim about Hillary Clinton campaigning for Gillibrand for Senate is false.

[Nixie]

181. Your concern is noted, but it doesn't change the context of my post,

Thanks for your concern, but it seems your concern is not relevant.

[Dem4Life1102]

183. Never said it did

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting,

it seems, is what she said about Bill Clinton. That was after she actively campaigned with him and Hillary for Hillary’s Senate seat.

Just that the claim that Hillary Clinton campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate is not true.

[Dem4Life1102]

8. Kathy Hochul

The current Lt. Governor of New York. Possibly some other Democrats who would like to run for Governor next year.

[Nixie]

9. Exactly. Who stands to gain from getting rid of Cuomo.

[c-rational]

5. This is not a good look for any who want to eat our own. Too much ego and stupidity on display.

I have often said any person who runs for public office should be able to define the ego. Would appear few are capable of this, nor do they understand that the correct amount of ego to posses is just enough to keep you from stepping in front of a bus. Will we ever learn?

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

11. Haven't these two been at each others throats for like, years?

Why should we expect any different, no love lost there.

[Rustyeye77]

30. Always good to kick a man ,when he's down.

Takes real guts

[Klaralven]

41. They hate each other's guts.

[Rustyeye77]

44. I'm aware of that.

Bad karma... Payback is a bitch

[Dorian Gray]

94. I'm not really a BDB fan

but he's taken a LOT of crap from Cuomo undercutting him every step of the way. And all he has to do here is sit back and watch Cuomo squirm.

I've much preferred Cuomo to BDB, but he's reaped what he's sowed. Micromanagerial aggressive jerk to a lot of people. Of course they're taking pleasure and doubling down now.

If he could manage and have been more diplomatic it would have served him better.

BDB is done this year, so there's not much that can be done.

[themaguffin]

144. This isn't helpful. Frankly, when both are out office (hopefully with better Dem replacements), I

won't miss either, but I don't want Cuomo to go until every seditionist is gone.