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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAOC to the Rescue Calls out Democrats on Stimulus Amounts
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Call your Senators and Represantive and tell them that anyone who makes up to $100,000 who got a Trump check, needs to get a Biden check or we will likely lose our majority in 2022.
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Update Pennsylvania Lt. Gov and Senate candidate claps back as well.
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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Be careful running up them stairs! 😂
comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)through the Senate despite unanimous Republican opposition. I have yet to see any legislative accomplishments from AOC.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)majority in 2022.
comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)A big stimulus will pass, promise kept.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)My way or the highway rarely ever works in politics or one's personal life.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)for that not the Republicans.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)in ALL of their ads.
It won't matter that none of them voted for it, it will be all about "Democrats think you are rich, that you don't need money!"
True? No, but hey, look at what Rubio is already saying.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)anywhere else in the bill.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)yet, any election losses will be blamed 100% on the existence of progressives.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)say if the GQP was still in office what would they have done in this case a big NOTHING.
It's something not nothing. Just my opinion.
ForgoTheConsequence
(5,186 posts)This is going to hurt in the midterms. Of course, the usual crowd will blame everyone but the people responsible.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Out of touch.
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)be prioritized for people who do.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and we're talking about individuals making over $75K annually, etc. Dreadfully, that's more than some people have earned in a lifetime. Btw, I figure those who are like that are far more likely to vote Republican anyway.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)this one thing is all it will take for them to switch or stay home? Really?
If that's the case (spoiler, it isn't) then there are going to be ten things "worse" we do between now and 2022 that would cause such a fickle lot to abandon us.
And yes, I'm quite sure there will be "worse" down the road. Doing nothing to avoid political repercussions is hardly the answer.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)$600 Trump
$0 Biden
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Broken Promise
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)The people from 80-100K?
Biden went to each of them and specifically said "You will get 2000?"
Nope, and we know it isn't true because the drop off starts at 75K and finishes at 100K so people over 80K were NEVER going to get the full 200K.
I make 82K. So on paper I don't get squat. Which is fine. It really isn't huge to me. Now, in reality, I will get it because 20K of that is tax free military disability pay so in reality, I only make 62K. But it's just going to go into my account. Because making that much money single with no dependents is plenty.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)During the campaign for the two Georgia Senate races, Joe Biden repeatedly promised to pass $2,000 stimulus checks if the Democrats won. After they did, the administration argued that $2,000 really meant $1,400 in addition to the $600 that had already gone out in the December rescue package.
Whether that is true or not, now Biden is inarguably breaking his promise. Under pressure from moderate Senate Democrats, he has reportedly agreed to cut down the formula under which the checks will be sent out. In the previous packages, the amount started phasing out at $75,000 in income for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers, and vanished entirely at $100,000 and $200,000 respectively (as of 2019). Now the phase-out will start start in the same place but end at $80,000 for singles and $160,000 for couples.
The $1,400 promise clearly implied at least that the checks would go out according to the previous formula used under Trump. But now singles making between $80,000-100,000 and couples making between $160,000-200,000 will get nothing. The Washington Post's Jeff Stein reports that roughly 17 million people who previously got checks now will not.
https://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-just-yanked-away-183549948.html
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)which tells you all you need to know that they had to add that line to the article. The previously formula didn't have people from 80-100K getting the entire amount. And no it didn't imply that the exact same formula would be used.
But hey, you clearly want to believe all is lost because of this one thing, so who am I to stop you.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)make this stuff so complicated, that people don't trust us.
those 2020 elections were just filled with losses...we control absolutely nothing.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)every competitive Governors and state legislative race as well.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)but sure, it all sucks. lol
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from the public till.
My husband and I are and know retired people whose income is all or mostly from modest SocSec checks, and many of us agreed all along that we'd be okay with not being included. At one point I sort of assumed folk on SocSec wouldn't be.
We'll put it to good use, finish catching up our credit cards after our necessarily modest holiday spending, stimulate the local economy, but we didn't lose jobs and don't need and didn't ask for a handout.
I'm sure far more people feel as we do than that sorry lot you're imagining.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)is barely making ends meet, especially with cost of living increases this year.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)credit to borrow on, without even extravagant possessions to hock can move in with friends, rent a bedroom to friends, move into their cars, sell their cars, move back with their parents or grandparents, who can explain the lesson they should take from this.
A world that's normally weighted heavily in their favor has temporarily lost some of the "heavily" part of that. Oh, well. They'll still have themselves.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)recovered from the last recession and they are clearly being targeted by this change. Your world-view is quite interesting.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)unskilled labor is living on $100K per year? Those who earn that are ambulatory money machines, accountants, dentists, production managers, logistics analysts, loan officers, attorneys. They'll be able to come around. So they have to sell their Manolos, relocate to a walkup in Elmhurst, trade down their leased cars for a while? Their future earning abilities are where they always were: in their heads.
There are limits to how much people should expect others to take care of them. Our first duty is always to take care of ourselves, then help others.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)or $160,000 if I was married. And if I did, I can't imagine that $1400 would be a matter of life or death, food or starvation, shelter or homelessness. Meanwhile, there ARE people out there who desperately need that check. Holding up this bill any longer will hurt so many people, businesses, hospitals, and schools. I get the feeling that some people are trying to create more of controversy than actually exists in the real world. Sure feels like an overreaction.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Right now I'm suspecting shockingly unrealistic overreaction might be real in some few perniciously manipulated into believing all things were possible if we chose, only to have Biden and company prove they still just want to screw the nation over and keep children in poverty. Oh, well. Regrettable, but has to be their problem.
We're doing good after all. Every day's more of the giant to-do list hit.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)and things are really looking hopeful right now. This particular issue will be forgotten in a few weeks. Not everyone will get everything they want, but clearly not everyone understands how government and legislating works. Of course, there are always some who will make a lot of noise no matter how things are going.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)ain't changing that particular hypothetical reality. It barely makes a dent in it.
And you've provided no evidence that even the average person who is single and makes 80K or more a year is:
without savings
Has no meaningful possessions
1400 helps neither of those things.
1400 buys some things sure, and for that reason alone, for the stimulus value, it has merit and I certainly was in favor of it.
But the argument that those who make 80K to 100K are somehow just eking by (but apparently once you make 100K it's champagne and caviar?), sorry, not buying it. It's an arbitrary cutoff, just like 100K was, but no one was complaining about 100K too much because it seems like a big enough number and we love round numbers.
If you are talking 40-60? Yeah, 1400 can make a difference. It's a rent check for a lot of those people. Or a 2-3 months of car payments. Or a year of insurance or cable/internet. 80? Most people at 80 to 100 are not one paycheck away from oblivion. And if they are, then why stop at 100?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)shaved off the top won't keep it from stimulating. The more straightened the circumstances, likely the more of the stimulus will be spent locally.
You know, the point isn't all about the expenses higher earners tend to have. There's something also fucked up in just assuming the counter people who serve them should pay to keep them in residences they can't possibly afford, so they don't have to rent out their extra bedrooms to strangers or (gasp) down-scale to the kind of affordable rentals the service workers live in.
Most people do want to take care of themselves. One of the biggest problems has been uncertainty, lack of information about what's best to do. In the last year a lot of people would have finished up their leases, packed up, and moved back with family in Elko IF they'd had any idea how long this would last. They would have taken the empty unit in a favorite waitress's building. Instead, the Republicans were telling them it never started and kicked the "it'll be over by" can from holiday to holiday, opening and closing all year long.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)and they are eking by, then I think they need to reconsider their life choices. Like you said, I cannot see how $1400 would make a big difference to these people and it is possible it wouldn't even get spent, which is the purpose of a stimulus.
MichMan
(17,151 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)macroeconomic voodoo. Such voodoo has always been used to benefit billionaires and disadvantage the disadvantaged.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)no one cares what Marco freaking Rubio says. Republicans don't even care what he says.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)they won't. There are three and a half years of other things good and bad that will happen between now and then.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)right wingers will remember to try to use it as some sort of lame attack, and left wingers will remain to try to use it to attack Dems. The vast majority will look at the next three years and ultimately decide based on where they are economically, socially and safety wise when they walk into the voting booth.
But if you want to believe this dooms everything for Dems, feel free.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)what GQP says. They have NO PLAN.
Doremus
(7,273 posts)Is there some kind of rule that we can only negotiate downward from zero? We are patsies!!
George II
(67,782 posts)Has anyone, ANYONE, read the final bill yet?
regnaD kciN
(27,639 posts)...because of our "compromises" with Manchin. Especially if, as noted above, they got relief from bills passed under Trump, but not this one under Biden.
This could seriously be enough to cost us both chambers of Congress in 2022.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)Which some conveniently ignore.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)I like AOC but it's easy to be for everything when you sit in pure blue districts where the only issue is a primary.
jorgevlorgan
(11,098 posts)Also more helpful than any other democrat keeping their mouth shut about our side giving into the extremism of the right, and doing little to help people right now.
Magoo48
(6,721 posts)She is extremely helpful, a cool breath of fresh air blowing through stuffy, stagnant doldrums of moderate, lethargic disconnect.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)people you are wrong. This is a big deal and it will have blow back. Deny all you want but AOC has warned the party.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Democratic Senators. The implication that she seems to want to include Biden in the blame game, only demonstrates she has a naivety on how the Senate works when you only have a one vote tie breaker, and not every Senator is on the same page
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)which only puts our majority in peril 2022, when people who got Trump checks don't get Biden checks, and no longer consider the Democrats a viable voting option.
mdelaguna
(471 posts)what do Bernie and AOC (who I agree with) suggest? Is there a back door way to help the excluded?
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)this in its current form, and force them back to the table.
jorgevlorgan
(11,098 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)jorgevlorgan
(11,098 posts)...from the original house bill they passed. Pass it again, and say "take it or leave it."
jorgevlorgan
(11,098 posts)leftstreet
(40,680 posts)Everyone fixates on the revolving Manchins and Sinemas, etc refusing to go along unless the good stuff is removed, blah, blah, blah
Instead a handful of Dems need to threaten to refuse a vote until the good stuff is put back in
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)This isn't on Biden though, this is on those Senators, and the reality there is very little that can be done unless we have more of a majority in the Senate.
As for your speculation that this puts our majority in peril in 2022, I don't agree. Those that voted for Biden in 2020, most of those folks will be voting for Democratic representatives in 2021. By representatives I am generically referring to both the Senate and House, though we are at more of a disadvantage in the House to redistricting. Anyone that is the way I see it.
There are more issues than just a one-time check. Unemployment Insurance extension is far more important, freeze on rent evictions, forbearance on mortgages, getting the pandemic under control, getting people back to work, etc.
moonscape
(5,722 posts)Trump either, and not a single republican will vote for 1400 for anyone. The problem here is that we need to own the messaging.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)We're still waiting for him to unite the Manchins.
leftstreet
(40,680 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Manchin doesn't care. He isn't up for re-election, and he likes the power he has right now. The best way to deal with that is get a larger majority in the Senate, because Manchin is not going to change
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)PatSeg
(53,214 posts)I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime, though I suppose it might be compared to FDR's first 100 days.
If he had a magic wand, he could get more, but the expectations of some are unrealistic and totally unfair. Our opponents are probably enjoying all this inexplicable outrage.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)People here were certain that Biden was better than anyone else because he could get the bipartisan work done and the Republicans would just fight against anything anyone more left than Biden wanted to do. But, hey, surprise, he's not getting the bipartisan work done. And if you don't think he inability to get things done (you know, like his promise that if Georgia senate seats went blue the $2000 would be in the mail) isn't going to be brought up ad nauseam, you're fooling yourself.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They are causing it.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)But at least we'll get checks.
treestar
(82,383 posts)At any rate, if the Rs won't go along, that's on them.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)the dividing line between rich and not rich is 160K v 200K for a couple?
What's the science on that one?
George II
(67,782 posts)....the actual "change" is? I don't think anyone really does yet.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)PatSeg
(53,214 posts)here and $160,000 is a hell of a lot of money almost anywhere in the United States. Why are you even posting that? No one at Democratic Underground cares what Marco Rubio's thoughts on the stimulus checks are. He will criticize the bill regardless of what is in it.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)medical insurance/pharma/healthcare costs, childcare care costs, utilities/transportation costs, mortgage costs food, and if applicable, student loan costs for multiple people is HARDLY a hell of a lot of money for MANY families of 4 or 5 living in a large metro area, especially on the coasts.
ludicrous to claim that it is
If you live in NJ and are a family of 4 with 2 minors, for example, and own your own house, just income tax at all levels, property tax (insane rates there) healthcare total costs (and thta is assuming no catastrophic conditions), and an average mortage wipes out around 100K or so of that 160K, more than likely.
That still leaves student loans (will likely be a large combined payment per month at that AGI), utilities, all transportation costs (including fuel and likely car payments), all childcare costs, dental, food, clothing, etc etc. All that is coming out of the 50, 60K. Oh, and I left out any retirement savings as well.
Plus.. COVID has likely taken a chunk out of their collective balance sheet.
Yes! That family is just swimming in your 'helll of a lot of money'.. NOT
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)make between $150,000 and $200,000 a year. To the vast majority of Americans, that is considered affluent and they would be viewed as a privileged minority. $160,000 can hardly be viewed as struggling middle class when 80% of American households are making less. Maybe it is not as well off as some people believe, but it is more than many people could ever dream of and for those people $1400 could be what keeps a family from ending up homeless.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 4, 2021, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)
am done here, sorry. 17 million people are arsed out now in terms of COVID cheques thanks to Manchin, Shaheen, and Sinema's little stunt. 12 or so million of those are old enough to be voters, the remainder are children of those voters. The entire cost of just keeping the cutoffs the same as the Rump cheques is only 12 billion usd, a drop in the bucket.
This is a completely self-inflicted wound. My cousin im Los Angeles is just furious. I finally talked her into voting for the first time (she is extraordinarily non political, hates it, her go is 'they all lies, they all never do what they say they will do') She is going from what would have been (under the old formula) 1150 usd to now getting zero, and she just got her hours slashed dramatically at her firm for the next two months. I probably have lost her for good as a voter. Thank fuck she is in a deep blue district in a deep bkue state. Many of those 17 million people are not.
You seem to have no clue how expensive life is nowadays in a major US metropolis.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)and that is also why I cannot see how $1400 would make a big difference to most of these people.
I understand there are going to be different opinions on this and I appreciate your point of view. I also know that not everyone will get what they want. I am very unhappy with the Democrats who have opposed the bill, but I also knew it wouldn't be easy. Manchin and Sinema are going to be a thorn in our side until we can get a larger majority in the senate. I honestly don't know what happened with Shaheen who is one of my senators. I'm trying to find out right now.
Sorry, I really wasn't trying to pick a fight.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)help us in 2022 and 2024. The same can likely be said of other blockages to come.
again sorry if I came across too aggressively
Hugz,
Cel
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)after the last four years of outrage 24/7. Its nice to be able to debate about real substantive issues for a change, rather than anticipating the demise of civilization. I think I can live with these kinds of disagreements.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)POTUS's, in 1994 and 2010 especially) that Sununu beats Hassan in 2022 if he runs? IF he doesn't run, who would be the worst (in terms of losing to) that could/would run against her?
NH, GA (Warnock), NV (especially if Sandoval runs v Cortez Masto), and AZ with Kelly (dodged a bullet with Ducey refusing to run) are the most 'at risk' Dem Senate races in 2022
Wild card is if Leahy retires and the very popular (he won re-election by 41%) Rethug Governor Phil Scott runs, it might be a dogfight
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)won reelection as governor. Perhaps his Democratic opponent was not a strong enough candidate, plus he seemed to handle the pandemic well. I think Hassan is pretty popular here, but being I am not originally from New Hampshire, I don't always have a feel for the politics. It is a pretty odd mix of voters.
Both Hassan and Shaheen have been governor and are well liked, but there is also a very right-wing element here, the "Live Free or Die" folks. I just don't know how much of the electorate they represent.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)it has me really worried for 2022
https://ballotpedia.org/State_government_trifectas

https://ballotpedia.org/Veto_overrides_in_state_legislatures



PatSeg
(53,214 posts)to national office, but are ruled at home by republicans. Too many voters don't pay close attention to state and local races and often regret it later.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)Tommymac
(7,334 posts)We could use more like her.
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liskddksil
(2,753 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)George II
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George II
(67,782 posts)....the amount of the checks starting at the HIGH END of income earners.
Even so, it is acceptable to praise trump over our Democrats in the process? Surely a more sensible and less offensive analogy could be presented.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)Voter in suburban Georgia district we need on our side to keep our majorities in 2022, who misses the cut off this time and was promised $2,000 when they went to vote in January
$600 Trump check
$0 Biden check
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Not $2000
Who do you think they're going to blame?
George II
(67,782 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Come on.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)dansolo
(5,387 posts)The people affected by this did not get a $600 "Trump" check. Above $75000/$150000 the amount was reduced down to where it became 0 at $100000/$200000. Anyone who got the full $600 will be eligible to receive the full $1400 in this package.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)Joe needs to get this done.
Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)Send zero checks to constituents of Ron Johnson and those opposed to helping anyone. They get their way, money is saved and elections will have consequences.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)That's a winning strategy right there.
Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)They voted for them to do as they are doing. Over 85 percent completely agree. Elections have consequences. There words!
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)Republicans that vote for the Johnsons, Cawthorns, Cruzs, Hawleys and GYM Jordans, call and demand the support relief for other than billionaires or they are gone, that would be a start. States with huge majority republicans have the power to force action. The problem is most agree with Russian Ron and love he owns the libs, even to their own detriment.
Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)There are no easy fixes for this situation. I live in a state that gave us Tillis, Cawthorn, Burr and Meadows for gods sake. West of Asheville, a blue paradise, but step a foot outside city limits, it is Scarlett blood red. Poor as hell, and damn sure needs help. But all bow to Trump and those fools they put in. My county just told us property taxes will be raised 30-50 percent this year after the re-eval. That is based on new homes. Those homes are Florida seasonal multimillion fall or play houses that exploded after The Trump tax giveaway gave cash out the ass to the extremely wealthy and this is where the invested.
We have been told by judges that we are no longer considered a Democracy because of Gerry mandering and vote suppression. Yet these fools will blame Biden and vote all red 2022 and vote Trump 2024.
Fixing this deep stupid will take a decades.
But we cant help most people with $1,400 of THIER taxes.
Most of these million dollar play house folks, pay less taxes than these lower middle class people voting for this crap.
Wish you best, hope the Dems get the minimal help to us, even the fools.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)that not sending checks to everyone who got one is not good.
They could do that for a third one possibly after having a press conference explaining why. OTOH maybe even a third one should stay the same. Not completely sure.
I just know that we have to hold on to The Senate, and The House if at all possible in 2022!!!
Everytime the Repuglicans run up the deficit by either running it up directly, or indirectly by lowering taxes us Dems get "stuck" with the outcome. 😐
We should NOT be bullied by The Rethuglicans bullshit!
😠😠😠
And I did call my Senator - Sen Schumer. 👍
mcar
(46,056 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)getting checks, many in cities with higher cost of living, will not because of the change today.
budkin
(6,849 posts)Totally unforced error.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)and just 60 Senate votes making compromise inevitable, as it was with the ACA. Why blame Democrats for Republican obstruction?
I don't understand AOC's statement.
BusyBeingBest
(9,173 posts)Don't care if the truly wealthy get it, there aren't enough of them to matter. Hopefully they'll donate it.
lame54
(39,771 posts)Are spending it on those who aren't