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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAdam Schiff: if voting rights bill doesn't pass, Republicans will rule for the next 10+ years
He said passing the For The People voting rights bill (which requires killing the filibuster) is a break glass moment.
He said it must be done this year, and waiting until 2022 will be too late.
Just now on Chris Hayes.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,422 posts)We can kiss even this slim majority goodby if republicon thieves manage to keep their ability to block everything. If we can't vote, republicons will steal control and next time, they'll be able to keep it for decades or longer.
FlyingPiggy
(3,377 posts)On a state level. And Im sure its not just here.
SergeStorms
(19,186 posts)and Pennsylvania for sure, probably many more on a slightly lesser scale. They'd steal the stink off shit if they thought they could.
mucifer
(23,484 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,741 posts)Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)What I would like someone to explain in detail what, exactly, the ramifications of decades long republican/minoritarian rule will be. How will it affect blue states? Red states? What, if any, is our recourse? I'm really starting to freak out about this.
Mabadi
(13 posts)Which is a day black voters usually vote en masse, driving large groups to the polls after church.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)And if they vote no, they need to be punished swiftly and severely- my vote is for stripping them of committee assignments.
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)... for days and months if needed?
mucifer
(23,484 posts)SergeStorms
(19,186 posts)predominantly red states. Who knows what wheeling and dealing goes on in republican chambers?
Autumn
(44,982 posts)Manchin, Sinema and Feinstein will never allow it.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)By having Schumer use the nuclear option to force a vote on the filibuster- then Manchin and Sinema will have to choose between killing the filibuster and killing their political careers.
Autumn
(44,982 posts)He would leave the Dem party first, which would give it back to Mitch. There is no way we are overcoming those 3, one maybe but not all.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)They will never end the filibuster.
Ever.
DSandra
(999 posts)LOTS of successful things happened because people persevered even when everyone else thought it could not be done. Democrats have to relearn that thinking damnit.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)He aint moving on the issue.
He has made that pellucidly clear.
DSandra
(999 posts)I would not expect less from Manchin or most others.
Polybius
(15,335 posts)Hes not budging period.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)DSandra
(999 posts)DSandra
(999 posts)Lyndon Johnson was one of the most productive presidents in history, and was a senator before being VP and President.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)ecstatic
(32,653 posts)voting rights. We came really close to losing everything last fall. I never want to feel that way again.
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)... Putin's Whore and tacitly supporting the underlining reason for the 6th.
The kGOP is some bullshit, we can do better
Bettie
(16,076 posts)Or will it simply disappear due to the filibuster?
Can it be tacked on to an appropriations bill?
The problem is that we don't need a majority. We need 2/3 in order to defeat the filibuster. And we don't have 67 votes. We have about 50.
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)for all? And this is OK somehow?!?
moonscape
(4,673 posts)impeach a man who tried to overthrown the government, so no, they dont worry about being in power for a decade or forever. That beats democracy which would toss them out.
BumRushDaShow
(128,502 posts)and cloture is 60 votes (3/5).
The only thing that is 67 (2/3) nowadays is overriding a veto or expelling a member (including conviction in an impeachment trial).
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)... rights, Climate change cause if we can't vote on any of those issues they won't change.
HR1 forces states to have a base amount of protections for voters because the house and senate can do such but not the president.
This is important, we pass HR1 we win in 2022 and we can change the country for the better
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BumRushDaShow
(128,502 posts)since they just passed the George Floyd criminal justice bill...
The Senate is going to be a huge issue.
gab13by13
(21,264 posts)Here in Pa. Democrats always get more votes and end up losing seats and Pa. is going to gerrymander to make it worse and every Republican controlled state will do the same.
CousinIT
(9,225 posts)NOT UNLESS SCHUMER GETS A SPINE AND DEMANDS THE END OF THE FILIBUSTER.
PRESSURE the hell out of him, Manchin and Sinema. On social media, via email, paper letters, phone calls.
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)put the pressure on, Schumer will stand firm. I hope.
But Manchin and Sinema come on, something stinks.....follow the money???
electric_blue68
(14,818 posts)I will call my Sen Schumer again tomorrow (Thurs).
But people from the other States need to call theirs.
Manchin WV, and I don't know where the other Sen is from.
They ignore out-of-state callers, right? That's what I've heard for a long time.
DSandra
(999 posts)Is the future of the nation in peril so much that it is pretty much an emergency?
I would remind everyone that the filibuster is not in the constitution and thus was never intended as part of the parliamentary procedures of the two houses of Congress.
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)as a people and a country, are at another dangerous juncture.
Repigs will destroy this country, they do not have a plan, also they do not how to govern. They proved that.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)Generic Brad
(14,272 posts)If they get the reigns of power back, they will never let go. They will immediately change the rules in their favor and put the pieces in place to ensure democracy dies and they rule permanently. Ten years can be endured. Permanent oppression from the minority cannot.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Mega corporations, multinationals, control the country and the world. They make gobs of money in America, regardless of who is in control. But they need a stable country. Maybe they make a bit more under Repug tax structure, but they still make tons under Democrats too.
If Repugs succeed in this level of minority rule, eventually society breaks down, and all these corporate lords, their kids, grand kids....their amazing cushy lives come to a halt. Their corporations can not function if over half the population is striking, or if the military is battling civilians on every corner. At some point the majority will rebel.
I get these Repug congressman want to stay in power. But they need corporate cash to get elected.
Why on earth will mega corporations allow them to destroy the entire society that gives them and their kids and family such amazing lifestyles?? At some point you would think the mega corps would want moderate Repugs over these nuts.
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,578 posts)If they seize power through undemocratic means, there's no reason for them to ever give it up again.
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)... it forever
Crunchy Frog
(26,578 posts)that it breaks apart, or breaks down into civil war.
There's no law saying our country can't become another Yugoslavia or Syria.
Mike Niendorff
(3,456 posts)Fight now. Or else.
MDN
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the George Floyd Act were all passed by Democrats working late last night because the Capitol is closed for domestic terrorism today.
Enormous, monumental, historic work.
The purpose of the first is no less than preservation of our democracy, designed among many other things to keep Republicans from denying anyone their right to vote (like with those 253 bills they're rushing to get passed in 43 states before the midterms). One Republican voted for, making a little history, but he then corrected his mistake.
On to the senate for all of them, where they will be reconciled with the Democrats' senate versions, while Republicans try to eviscerate them, and go for the final votes to be passed into law. Whatever damage the Republicans manage to do can be fixed with future bills.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)By filibuster unless Manchin and Sinema agree to vote to change the rules.
HR1 will not get a floor vote if the filibuster survives.
There wont be anything to fix, because there wont be a final bill passed, unless the filibuster is killed.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)But he's being optimistic IMO.
If Republicans capture the legislative branch again, or the presidency and either the House or the Senate, they will change things so decisively that we never get another chance. The United States will be structured like Hungary or Poland. It really only takes moving a few pieces into place. And voter suppression does the rest.
All they really have to do is make this country ungovernable for 12 - 18 more months.
Damn these state legislatures! And Dems who vote "split tickets" for balance. (GO TO HELL!)
I love Adam Schiff for many reasons, but what he said last night was one of the most important things he's ever said.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)HR1 is chemotherapy for the soul of the nation- everything else is just an ingrown toenail by comparison.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)We obviously don't have 60 votes to pass it and we don't have 50+ votes to do away with filibuster to pass it with simple majority so now what?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)We will see if they are willing to end their careers for their principles
If so, their careers will be buried in the tomb of the Unknown Senator, those who fought and died for a Jim Crow obstruction tool.