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Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:03 PM Mar 2021

Adam Schiff: if voting rights bill doesn't pass, Republicans will rule for the next 10+ years

He said passing the For The People voting rights bill (which requires killing the filibuster) is a “break glass moment”.

He said it must be done this year, and waiting until 2022 will be too late.

Just now on Chris Hayes.

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Adam Schiff: if voting rights bill doesn't pass, Republicans will rule for the next 10+ years (Original Post) Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 OP
He's right. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #1
I absolutely agree with him. They're trying now in AZ to suppress voting FlyingPiggy Mar 2021 #2
Georgia... SergeStorms Mar 2021 #25
So do we have any hope if there is no filibuster reform?? mucifer Mar 2021 #3
Nope. Manchin and Sinema are holding the future of the party and the nation hostage.nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #7
We need to recruit Sen. Lisa Murkowski Sucha NastyWoman Mar 2021 #24
Saw that. We already know this bill will die in the Senate. So now what? Blaukraut Mar 2021 #4
In Georgia they want to limit voting on Sundays Mabadi Mar 2021 #6
Schumer must force the nuclear option, and get Sinema and Manchin on the record re: filibuster Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #9
Can't they vote for changes to the filibuster which makes these assholes stand up and talk uponit7771 Mar 2021 #14
Gotta wonder if manchin and sinema are being bribed. mucifer Mar 2021 #15
They're both from... SergeStorms Mar 2021 #27
Then we are fucked. Killing the filibuster will not happen. Autumn Mar 2021 #5
Before we accept that we are fucked, we must force Manchin and Sinema to choose Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #12
To quote Manchin: 'Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?' Autumn Mar 2021 #18
They have already made it clear. SoonerPride Mar 2021 #19
That kind of thinking doesn't lead to any progress in society DSandra Mar 2021 #26
Tell it Manchin. SoonerPride Mar 2021 #29
People who say that often use it as a bargaining tactic DSandra Mar 2021 #32
He just said "Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?" Polybius Mar 2021 #43
Then he should be forced to vote on the record, and suffer the consequences. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #53
He's well paid off, or he's really just a DINO who doesn't care about RepubliNazi rule DSandra Mar 2021 #55
What would Lyndon Johnson have done? DSandra Mar 2021 #28
He would kick some serious ass. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #38
They better get this done. Nothing else matters if they don't secure our future ecstatic Mar 2021 #8
+1, can any one imagine if the kGOP got back into power ?! Anyone? The kGOP is still supporting uponit7771 Mar 2021 #13
Is there any chance to get it passed? Bettie Mar 2021 #10
Zero chance Mabadi Mar 2021 #16
So there aren't 17 repugs who will go on the record to support voting rights ecstatic Mar 2021 #17
There weren't that many to moonscape Mar 2021 #39
Changing the rule requires a simple majority or 51 votes (which we don't have for this) BumRushDaShow Mar 2021 #20
HE'S RIGHT !! HR1 is more important than black lives mattering, gay lives mattering, womens uponit7771 Mar 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author halobeam Mar 2021 #33
The House is just starting on this bill now BumRushDaShow Mar 2021 #21
Democrats will never keep the House, gab13by13 Mar 2021 #22
It won't pass. CousinIT Mar 2021 #23
We need to bdamomma Mar 2021 #35
Sorry. How many votes do we need to end the filibuster? electric_blue68 Mar 2021 #41
Question: Is this a break glass moment? DSandra Mar 2021 #30
We bdamomma Mar 2021 #31
K and R Ferrets are Cool Mar 2021 #34
They would rule longer than ten years Generic Brad Mar 2021 #36
I don't get why their corporate donors would go along with this. Jon King Mar 2021 #37
Kick dalton99a Mar 2021 #40
I think he's underestimating the consequences. Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #42
Right !!!! If the people who are sympathizing with a text book coup attempt get back power they keep uponit7771 Mar 2021 #44
Probably not forever, but at least until the country is destabilized enough Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #45
K&R Mike Niendorff Mar 2021 #46
Well, the For the People Act (HR1), the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, and Hortensis Mar 2021 #47
You clearly don't understand how the senate works- HR1, and all other bills will be blocked Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #48
That was the most important sentence I heard all day. Mike 03 Mar 2021 #49
Agree 100%- that is why, after COVID relief, HR1 must be top priority for rest of this year Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #51
Absolutely correct. We have to get Manchin and his pals out of the way. This is an emergency. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #50
Well it's not going to pass ibegurpard Mar 2021 #52
Force Manchin and Sinema to vote against it on the record, and suffer the consequences Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #54

FoxNewsSucks

(10,422 posts)
1. He's right.
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:06 PM
Mar 2021

We can kiss even this slim majority goodby if republicon thieves manage to keep their ability to block everything. If we can't vote, republicons will steal control and next time, they'll be able to keep it for decades or longer.

FlyingPiggy

(3,377 posts)
2. I absolutely agree with him. They're trying now in AZ to suppress voting
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:08 PM
Mar 2021

On a state level. And I’m sure it’s not just here.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
25. Georgia...
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:48 PM
Mar 2021

and Pennsylvania for sure, probably many more on a slightly lesser scale. They'd steal the stink off shit if they thought they could.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
4. Saw that. We already know this bill will die in the Senate. So now what?
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:11 PM
Mar 2021

What I would like someone to explain in detail what, exactly, the ramifications of decades long republican/minoritarian rule will be. How will it affect blue states? Red states? What, if any, is our recourse? I'm really starting to freak out about this.

 

Mabadi

(13 posts)
6. In Georgia they want to limit voting on Sundays
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:29 PM
Mar 2021

Which is a day black voters usually vote en masse, driving large groups to the polls after church.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
9. Schumer must force the nuclear option, and get Sinema and Manchin on the record re: filibuster
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:36 PM
Mar 2021

And if they vote no, they need to be punished swiftly and severely- my vote is for stripping them of committee assignments.

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
14. Can't they vote for changes to the filibuster which makes these assholes stand up and talk
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:41 PM
Mar 2021

... for days and months if needed?

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
27. They're both from...
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:51 PM
Mar 2021

predominantly red states. Who knows what wheeling and dealing goes on in republican chambers?

Autumn

(44,982 posts)
5. Then we are fucked. Killing the filibuster will not happen.
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:15 PM
Mar 2021

Manchin, Sinema and Feinstein will never allow it.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
12. Before we accept that we are fucked, we must force Manchin and Sinema to choose
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:39 PM
Mar 2021

By having Schumer use the nuclear option to force a vote on the filibuster- then Manchin and Sinema will have to choose between killing the filibuster and killing their political careers.

Autumn

(44,982 posts)
18. To quote Manchin: 'Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?'
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:46 PM
Mar 2021

He would leave the Dem party first, which would give it back to Mitch. There is no way we are overcoming those 3, one maybe but not all.

DSandra

(999 posts)
26. That kind of thinking doesn't lead to any progress in society
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:50 PM
Mar 2021

LOTS of successful things happened because people persevered even when everyone else thought it could not be done. Democrats have to relearn that thinking damnit.

DSandra

(999 posts)
32. People who say that often use it as a bargaining tactic
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:54 PM
Mar 2021

I would not expect less from Manchin or most others.

DSandra

(999 posts)
28. What would Lyndon Johnson have done?
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:51 PM
Mar 2021

Lyndon Johnson was one of the most productive presidents in history, and was a senator before being VP and President.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
8. They better get this done. Nothing else matters if they don't secure our future
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:36 PM
Mar 2021

voting rights. We came really close to losing everything last fall. I never want to feel that way again.

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
13. +1, can any one imagine if the kGOP got back into power ?! Anyone? The kGOP is still supporting
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:40 PM
Mar 2021

... Putin's Whore and tacitly supporting the underlining reason for the 6th.

The kGOP is some bullshit, we can do better

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
10. Is there any chance to get it passed?
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:37 PM
Mar 2021

Or will it simply disappear due to the filibuster?

Can it be tacked on to an appropriations bill?

 

Mabadi

(13 posts)
16. Zero chance
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:43 PM
Mar 2021

The problem is that we don't need a majority. We need 2/3 in order to defeat the filibuster. And we don't have 67 votes. We have about 50.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
17. So there aren't 17 repugs who will go on the record to support voting rights
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:44 PM
Mar 2021

for all? And this is OK somehow?!?

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
39. There weren't that many to
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 01:24 AM
Mar 2021

impeach a man who tried to overthrown the government, so no, they don’t worry about being in power for a decade or forever. That beats democracy which would toss them out.

BumRushDaShow

(128,502 posts)
20. Changing the rule requires a simple majority or 51 votes (which we don't have for this)
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:01 PM
Mar 2021

and cloture is 60 votes (3/5).

The only thing that is 67 (2/3) nowadays is overriding a veto or expelling a member (including conviction in an impeachment trial).

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
11. HE'S RIGHT !! HR1 is more important than black lives mattering, gay lives mattering, womens
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:38 PM
Mar 2021

... rights, Climate change cause if we can't vote on any of those issues they won't change.

HR1 forces states to have a base amount of protections for voters because the house and senate can do such but not the president.

This is important, we pass HR1 we win in 2022 and we can change the country for the better

Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

BumRushDaShow

(128,502 posts)
21. The House is just starting on this bill now
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:02 PM
Mar 2021

since they just passed the George Floyd criminal justice bill...

The Senate is going to be a huge issue.

gab13by13

(21,264 posts)
22. Democrats will never keep the House,
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:10 PM
Mar 2021

Here in Pa. Democrats always get more votes and end up losing seats and Pa. is going to gerrymander to make it worse and every Republican controlled state will do the same.

CousinIT

(9,225 posts)
23. It won't pass.
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:11 PM
Mar 2021

NOT UNLESS SCHUMER GETS A SPINE AND DEMANDS THE END OF THE FILIBUSTER.

PRESSURE the hell out of him, Manchin and Sinema. On social media, via email, paper letters, phone calls.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
35. We need to
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 12:03 AM
Mar 2021

put the pressure on, Schumer will stand firm. I hope.

But Manchin and Sinema come on, something stinks.....follow the money???

electric_blue68

(14,818 posts)
41. Sorry. How many votes do we need to end the filibuster?
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 02:17 AM
Mar 2021

I will call my Sen Schumer again tomorrow (Thurs).

But people from the other States need to call theirs.
Manchin WV, and I don't know where the other Sen is from.

They ignore out-of-state callers, right? That's what I've heard for a long time.

DSandra

(999 posts)
30. Question: Is this a break glass moment?
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:53 PM
Mar 2021

Is the future of the nation in peril so much that it is pretty much an emergency?

I would remind everyone that the filibuster is not in the constitution and thus was never intended as part of the parliamentary procedures of the two houses of Congress.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
31. We
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:54 PM
Mar 2021

as a people and a country, are at another dangerous juncture.

Repigs will destroy this country, they do not have a plan, also they do not how to govern. They proved that.

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
36. They would rule longer than ten years
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 12:13 AM
Mar 2021

If they get the reigns of power back, they will never let go. They will immediately change the rules in their favor and put the pieces in place to ensure democracy dies and they rule permanently. Ten years can be endured. Permanent oppression from the minority cannot.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
37. I don't get why their corporate donors would go along with this.
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 12:53 AM
Mar 2021

Mega corporations, multinationals, control the country and the world. They make gobs of money in America, regardless of who is in control. But they need a stable country. Maybe they make a bit more under Repug tax structure, but they still make tons under Democrats too.

If Repugs succeed in this level of minority rule, eventually society breaks down, and all these corporate lords, their kids, grand kids....their amazing cushy lives come to a halt. Their corporations can not function if over half the population is striking, or if the military is battling civilians on every corner. At some point the majority will rebel.

I get these Repug congressman want to stay in power. But they need corporate cash to get elected.

Why on earth will mega corporations allow them to destroy the entire society that gives them and their kids and family such amazing lifestyles?? At some point you would think the mega corps would want moderate Repugs over these nuts.

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
42. I think he's underestimating the consequences.
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 02:47 AM
Mar 2021

If they seize power through undemocratic means, there's no reason for them to ever give it up again.

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
44. Right !!!! If the people who are sympathizing with a text book coup attempt get back power they keep
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 02:54 AM
Mar 2021

... it forever

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
45. Probably not forever, but at least until the country is destabilized enough
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 03:04 AM
Mar 2021

that it breaks apart, or breaks down into civil war.

There's no law saying our country can't become another Yugoslavia or Syria.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Well, the For the People Act (HR1), the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, and
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 07:18 AM
Mar 2021

the George Floyd Act were all passed by Democrats working late last night because the Capitol is closed for domestic terrorism today.

Enormous, monumental, historic work.

The purpose of the first is no less than preservation of our democracy, designed among many other things to keep Republicans from denying anyone their right to vote (like with those 253 bills they're rushing to get passed in 43 states before the midterms). One Republican voted for, making a little history, but he then corrected his mistake.

On to the senate for all of them, where they will be reconciled with the Democrats' senate versions, while Republicans try to eviscerate them, and go for the final votes to be passed into law. Whatever damage the Republicans manage to do can be fixed with future bills.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
48. You clearly don't understand how the senate works- HR1, and all other bills will be blocked
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 AM
Mar 2021

By filibuster unless Manchin and Sinema agree to vote to change the rules.

HR1 will not get a floor vote if the filibuster survives.

There won’t be anything to “fix”, because there won’t be a final bill passed, unless the filibuster is killed.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
49. That was the most important sentence I heard all day.
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 10:52 AM
Mar 2021

But he's being optimistic IMO.

If Republicans capture the legislative branch again, or the presidency and either the House or the Senate, they will change things so decisively that we never get another chance. The United States will be structured like Hungary or Poland. It really only takes moving a few pieces into place. And voter suppression does the rest.

All they really have to do is make this country ungovernable for 12 - 18 more months.

Damn these state legislatures! And Dems who vote "split tickets" for balance. (GO TO HELL!)

I love Adam Schiff for many reasons, but what he said last night was one of the most important things he's ever said.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
51. Agree 100%- that is why, after COVID relief, HR1 must be top priority for rest of this year
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 11:02 AM
Mar 2021

HR1 is chemotherapy for the soul of the nation- everything else is just an ingrown toenail by comparison.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
52. Well it's not going to pass
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 11:03 AM
Mar 2021

We obviously don't have 60 votes to pass it and we don't have 50+ votes to do away with filibuster to pass it with simple majority so now what?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
54. Force Manchin and Sinema to vote against it on the record, and suffer the consequences
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 11:07 AM
Mar 2021

We will see if they are willing to end their careers for their “principles”

If so, their careers will be buried in the tomb of the Unknown Senator, those who fought and died for a Jim Crow obstruction tool.

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