Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

PJMcK

(22,056 posts)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:16 AM Mar 2021

An important question about William Barr

What did Bill Barr know of Trump's plans for January 6th? Why did Barr resign so abruptly in December? Why was he in such a hurry to put distance between himself and Trump? What caused him to leave the Trump administration so hastily?

Where has Barr been since then? Can he be subpoenaed to testify before Congress?

I have a suspicion that there's an important part of the story in Barr's actions. I think he knew Trump was going to try something with Congress. Can we find out?

33 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
An important question about William Barr (Original Post) PJMcK Mar 2021 OP
I'm thinking that action with Billy MyOwnPeace Mar 2021 #1
+1 2naSalit Mar 2021 #2
And that's why they are STALLING! AwakeAtLast Mar 2021 #4
Quite likely... Wounded Bear Mar 2021 #5
Exactly! Golden Raisin Mar 2021 #20
I've thought that too. underpants Mar 2021 #3
No, they planned it much farther than that. On Jan 4th, they ordered the National Guard to back off lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #11
THIS malaise Mar 2021 #18
He knew. dalton99a Mar 2021 #6
Well, he does know "where the bodies are buried"... Wounded Bear Mar 2021 #7
KnR!! sarchasm Mar 2021 #8
I think he knew a LOT of what was expected to happen and it looked to him like what did go down. Ford_Prefect Mar 2021 #9
That big screen tv out doors with all the Trumps there C Moon Mar 2021 #14
I don't want to see Barr in front of Congress BlueIdaho Mar 2021 #10
I don't recall Traildogbob Mar 2021 #13
Far less effective in a court of law than in a Senate hearing. BlueIdaho Mar 2021 #16
Made my day 😁🤜🏼🤛🏼 Traildogbob Mar 2021 #31
Awesome! BlueIdaho Mar 2021 #32
I bet he'd have to be given a pretty thick immunity blanket before he'd open up. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #12
Isn't that a big part of it with Trump cronies? Even if they Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #26
This is a very important question malaise Mar 2021 #15
So isn't the same question about Pence. theneworiginal Mar 2021 #28
But did he know they's come in their screaming hang Mike Pence? malaise Mar 2021 #29
I do hope so Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #17
Yes, his resignation in December tell me he knew what was coming. patphil Mar 2021 #19
He has lied to the Senate before. He doesn't seem to worry much about doing so. tblue37 Mar 2021 #22
The Senator should have nailed Barr with, "Were you ordered to investigate anyone?". Marcuse Mar 2021 #25
He doesn't have the power of the Office of the Attorney General and Trump to protect him. patphil Mar 2021 #30
I doubt Barr was involved in the insurrection. There are a lot of other crimes he Martin68 Mar 2021 #21
Of course he knew relayerbob Mar 2021 #23
He was asked if there was voter fraud 12/1. He said a firm no. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2021 #24
I think Barr got wind of what Dumdum had planned on Jan 6 Warpy Mar 2021 #27
I also wonder if Barr & Mueller are still close friends. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2021 #33

MyOwnPeace

(16,940 posts)
1. I'm thinking that action with Billy
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:20 AM
Mar 2021

will begin once we get Judge Garland showing up for his first official day of work at DOJ!

underpants

(182,950 posts)
3. I've thought that too.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:29 AM
Mar 2021

I think, like anyone else, that he knew that Trump and Bannon were just trying to move the crowd towards the Capitol. Some true believer was going to make a break and others would follow. At least you’d have an image of white males being beaten or detained by police. Legends were to be made that day - though most movement leaders didn’t go inside - all the needed was more of an opportunity they knew that. Barr saw what was probably coming and didn’t want to oversee busting, charging, and trying these loyal foot soldiers.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. No, they planned it much farther than that. On Jan 4th, they ordered the National Guard to back off
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:55 AM
Mar 2021

They had multiple major meetings in the days leading up to the insurrection.
Going all the way back to mid-December, Trump suddenly installed multiple loyalists at the Pentagon. That was preparation for January 6th.

Wounded Bear

(58,743 posts)
7. Well, he does know "where the bodies are buried"...
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:40 AM
Mar 2021

especially since he buried some of them. Wouldn't mind seeing him in front of a Congressional committee, getting grilled.

Ford_Prefect

(7,925 posts)
9. I think he knew a LOT of what was expected to happen and it looked to him like what did go down.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:49 AM
Mar 2021

Mob violence and possibly the murder of members of Congress, Senators, and others in the building. I am sure he he got out because he wanted to be on a beach somewhere, collecting his 6%, when it all went down and very likely continued. I suspect he also realized he was in no position to stop it happening, and probably that some of his actions had enabled it.

I am not suggesting he did anything other than get out while the getting was good. What he knew and when he knew it will make quite interesting reading, when they get around to looking at his role in it all.

C Moon

(12,223 posts)
14. That big screen tv out doors with all the Trumps there
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:05 PM
Mar 2021

...eating, and drinking. They were obviously celebrating something.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
10. I don't want to see Barr in front of Congress
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:52 AM
Mar 2021

I want to see him in court answering for his many crimes against Americans.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
16. Far less effective in a court of law than in a Senate hearing.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:06 PM
Mar 2021

You can take the fifth and still go to prison if the case is well prepared.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
12. I bet he'd have to be given a pretty thick immunity blanket before he'd open up.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:00 PM
Mar 2021

Depending on the extent of real and actionable evidence the DoJ has, or will find, the need for him as a witness may dwindle to the point that being able to mount a full prosecution of him is the far superior option.

I hope so, anyway.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Isn't that a big part of it with Trump cronies? Even if they
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:57 PM
Mar 2021

get super immunity deals... The optics of knowing and going along are so incredibly bad.

Both Omarosa and Michael Cohen, in their books, had a difficult time explaining how they were so mesmerized by this monster for so long. But neither of them were involved in anything as huge as an insurrection.

malaise

(269,219 posts)
15. This is a very important question
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:05 PM
Mar 2021

My bet is he thought this was a bridge too far and had no plan of ending up in prison for Trump.

Rec

theneworiginal

(302 posts)
28. So isn't the same question about Pence.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:23 PM
Mar 2021

I'll save you some trouble. They both knew. I said this in the wake of the insurrection; it's why Barr left. He knew it was coming. Pence knew it, too; that's why there was a lover's quarrel with the Orangutang.

They both knew.

patphil

(6,230 posts)
19. Yes, his resignation in December tell me he knew what was coming.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:14 PM
Mar 2021

Perhaps not the full extent of it, but then we still don't know the depth and breath of the conspiracy.
He was a rat, and Trump's ship was going down...time to jump ship.
He needs to be deposed under oath in both the Congress and in the courtroom.
Then we'll see if he's willing to risk jail to protect Trump.
My guess is he isn't willing to risk that.

patphil

(6,230 posts)
30. He doesn't have the power of the Office of the Attorney General and Trump to protect him.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:39 PM
Mar 2021

He's just a plain old citizen who can easily be convicted of perjury by a Justice Department that's no longer dancing to his tune.
And, it's the criminal court he is most worried about.

Martin68

(22,913 posts)
21. I doubt Barr was involved in the insurrection. There are a lot of other crimes he
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:15 PM
Mar 2021

should be indicted for, most related to politicizing the Justice Department.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,156 posts)
24. He was asked if there was voter fraud 12/1. He said a firm no.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:49 PM
Mar 2021

He was out then. Probably had enough of being lawyer for the mob. And actually helped to oust his boss. He may even testify on our behalf.

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

Warpy

(111,383 posts)
27. I think Barr got wind of what Dumdum had planned on Jan 6
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:07 PM
Mar 2021

and armed insurrection, even led by his ideal of a unitary executive, was a baby step too far for him.

The only way Barr is going to be prosecuted is if a lot of very frightened people start to talk. That's not going to happen soon.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
33. I also wonder if Barr & Mueller are still close friends.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 07:22 AM
Mar 2021

And if that friendship or shared "values"influenced Mueller's investigation.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»An important question abo...