Detroit mayor declines Johnson & Johnson allotment, saying the other vaccines are better

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Lizzie O'Leary
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Detroit mayor declines Johnson & Johnson allotment, saying the other vaccines are better
Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan declined an initial allocation of the newly authorized Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine this week even as nationwide demand continues to outpace available supply.
cnn.com
8:10 AM · Mar 5, 2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/health/detroit-mayor-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine/index.html

[Wounded Bear]

1. That's just Dumb with a capital Double Dee...

[twin_ghost]

9. Not it isn't. 4 out of 10 people exposed to covid will get the disease.

The FDA should have never approved this ineffective vaccine.

[lagomorph777]

12. Way wrong. J&J gets more effective with time, and is the only one tested against variants.

Even against a high-variant population, it is 100% effective against severe disease and death.

[Tommymac]

19. OK...could a science/medical person please explain. I'm confused by this.

I've read this before, and I am no medical person. At all.

I think it means that I would have a greater chance 34% or 3.5 out of 10, of contracting Covid, any strain, compared to a 6% to 7% chance of infection with the two dose varieties or .7% out of 10.

BUT the J & J will protect me 100% from dying of the disease, or even having to go to the ER, when I catch it. I have not seen the 2 dose result for this part.

Am I correct in my layman's thinking?

Thanks in advance.

[Bonn1997]

22. I've never seen stats saying there is that big a difference

My understanding was that when tested in a challenging environment with many variants the J and J vaccine was 85% effective, while the other vaccines in much simpler environments were about 94% effective.

[lagomorph777]

23. It's more complicated than that. Pfizer and Moderna were not tested against variants; J&J was.

So the comparison is not valid. We have no idea (yet) how Moderna and Pfizer will perform against variants.

We do know that at 28 days, J&J gives ~60% protection (from symptoms) against the original and all known variants. At 49 days, it's close to 100%. But starting from 28 days, it gives 100% protection from severe symptoms or death.

[Tommymac]

25. That is 28 days from injection?

And does this extend to the reported long term after affects too?

Sorry, I have so many questions.

Maybe I'll write Rachel to see if she can explain it next week - she is very good at bringing science and political things down to a level the average person can understand.

But I really appreciate you answering.

[lagomorph777]

26. Yes - it's pretty good 28 days post-injection, and excellent at 49 days.

And that includes protection from variants.

We hope, but do not know, that Pfizer and Moderna will help against variants.

[Tommymac]

30. Thank You.

Starting to get some clarity.

[Wounded Bear]

13. I'll depend on the opinions of doctors and scientists I trust...

[theneworiginal]

32. Fauci said he'd get one if it was available and he hadn't been vaxxed.

He seems like a guy to trust.

The effectiveness numbers are skewed for the J&J because it was tested in a population with a far greater prevalence than the other 2 vax's. The numbers are not apples to apples. It actually is very close.

Edit to add: the effect that the availability of vax's will also have an impact of reducing the prevalence and corresponding spread of the disease which will far outweigh the marginally less effective factor of the vax. The mayor is refusing an opportunity to expose far fewer active transmitters regardless of their level of resistance to the disease..

[birdographer]

2. The best vaccine to get

is the one you can get. Duggan has potentially condemned his citizens to illness and death. Is he republican?

[PatSeg]

4. Nope, I checked and he's a Democrat

What is even more bizarre is that the J&J vaccine is manufactured in the state, in Grand Rapids.

[birdographer]

10. Hmmm

Does he know something we don't know? (Just kidding.)

[PatSeg]

15. It does seem a bit fishy though

Maybe there is some pressure because some Catholics are refusing to take the J&J vaccine?

[BlueIdaho]

27. Grandstanding is the more likely cause...

[marmar]

8. LOL. A Republican mayor in Detroit? Now that's funny.

[MichMan]

34. In Detroit?

[birdographer]

40. Sorry...

I don't keep up with anything about the mayor of any MI city. Didn't mean to look stupid.

[hlthe2b]

3. Intensely stupid and indefensible.

[TreasonousBastard]

5. Oh come on! Who made him the doctor?

[piddyprints]

6. I sure hope they don't decline anything here.

I'll take whatever is offered as soon as it's offered to me.

[GPV]

7. Stupid

[lagomorph777]

11. That's not only foolish, it's incorrect.

[marmar]

14. In fairness, he didn't decline it altogether....

.... from the story:

"The day may come in March or April when every single Moderna and Pfizer is committed, and we still have people who need a vaccine. And at that point we will set up a Johnson & Johnson center. I don't see that in the next couple of weeks," Duggan said.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

16. Detroit seems to be awash with vaccine doses.

Detroit is vaccinating anyone who works in manufacturing, whether they live in Detroit or simply work there. They're way ahead of the remaining cities in Wayne County. I don't know how they got preferential distribution of the vaccines, but they have plenty. They can afford to be picky.

The rest of Wayne County is struggling to get 65+ people vaccinated.

[marmar]

18. The mayor's former job as head of the DMC probably has some side benefits.

[bif]

21. They're doing a great job here!

A good friend is a resident of Detroit and got his vaccine a couple weeks ago. He estimated they're doing about 400 to 500 vaccines an hour. Way better than in the outing area where I live.

[ornotna]

17. Send a vial my way

Everyone in my house will take one.

[bullwinkle428]

20. UGH. Not helpful, dude.

[EndlessWire]

24. Yeah, send it all to California.

We'll take it. There are no guarantees, anyway. It's the variants that are frightening. I am interested in how it may help the long haulers. That seems to me to be the focus problem now. And if the J&J shot keeps you out of the hospital, that's a big consideration.

I saw an ad that had the Red Cross requesting people that had had the virus to donate plasma. Interesting.

When I get sick, if I get sick, I'll be on my own. So, a shot that lessens the chance of having to go to the hospital is definitely welcome. I don't mind being a little sick, if I can avoid that long hauler problem.

So, send all the unwanted J&J vaccines to California. We'll set up a distribution point and save a few more people.

[Towlie]

28. Hold on, not so fast! If the following is correct then he does have a valid point:

Detroit Mayor Duggan doubles down on not wanting J&J vaccine for 'foreseeable future'

"I believe we will have a Moderna and Pfizer vaccine for every Detroiter who wants one. The day may come when we have more Detroiters asking for vaccines than we have Moderna, Pfizer, in which case we'll set up a Johnson & Johnson site ... I don't see that in the next couple weeks," he said. "I'd say for the foreseeable future, I feel confident that we will have a Moderna and Pfizer vaccine for everyone who wants to get vaccinated."

Resist knee-jerk reactions and do some research before posting? Wow, what a concept!

[LisaL]

42. So Detroit is open to everyone to be vaccinated?

Any age group? Somehow I don't think so.

[Towlie]

47. No, I didn't say that, I said "If".

[48656c6c6f20]

29. We knew this would happen

Low income places, minorities, and third world countries would get the inferior cheaper vaccine. And yes it's Fucking inferior. I applaud the mayor, get the fucking best for your constituents.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

31. It's not inferior, let alone Fucking inferior.

It has been tested against recent variants, unlike the other two.

Personally, I hope that's the one I get.

[gldstwmn]

39. It's the one I'm holding out for.

Vaccines have always made me terribly ill. I only want to do this once if at all possible.

[LisaL]

43. Yep, J&J has milder side effects compared to other two.

For people who have severe side effects from vaccines it only makes sense to get the one with milder side effects.

[jcgoldie]

37. No it is not inferior

Not only is it tested against variants but it was shown to be almost completely effective against serious infection resulting in hospitalization or death. Add to that its a single dose not two. If all 3 were an option thats the one id choose but I aleady got 1 dose of moderna and I think its foolish for anyone to not take whatever is available.

[roamer65]

33. Dumb decision.

Make it available and let the people choose.

[Chautauquas]

35. Politicians making decisions about medical treatment

not a good idea. Did said mayor consult with the experts or just make the decision on his own?

[gldstwmn]

36. That's not his choice to make.

[ananda]

38. Oh dear.

I would take any vaccine on offer right now.

[LisaL]

41. Not smart.

Some people want it because it's one shot and has fewer side effects. Let people pick what they want instead of declining vaccine.

[Tanuki]

46. He reversed course a few minutes ago and now will take it.

He says J&J is a good vaccine but the others are better. What an idiot.