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As soon as possible. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #1
It will never happen...too many jobs which we can't lose. However, I do see a hybrid system with Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #18
Oh, please. Why should we subsidize jobs which are intended to hurt us? lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #19
Give the fucking vampires cushy government jobs. n/t aocommunalpunch Mar 2021 #2
No! McDonald's at $7.25 per hour RainCaster Mar 2021 #3
Yes. The government can do healthcare better and cheaper. Autumn Mar 2021 #4
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Auggie Mar 2021 #5
It was a good idea once Deuxcents Mar 2021 #6
I would argue that point. Caliman73 Mar 2021 #11
No need to eliminate all the jobs. Medicare for all should be available. elevator Mar 2021 #7
unless you make hospitals publicly owned dsc Mar 2021 #8
Universal Healthcare I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2021 #9
100% Bluethroughu Mar 2021 #10
One thing doctors complain about is how every insurance PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2021 #12
Yes. roamer65 Mar 2021 #13
Yes! Deminpenn Mar 2021 #14
Eliminate share holders from all healthcare and pharma. Period. lindysalsagal Mar 2021 #15
A big hell yes. MOMFUDSKI Mar 2021 #16
It's a parasite sucking money from citizens. jalan48 Mar 2021 #17
Shift insurers from being the gatekeepers gratuitous Mar 2021 #20

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. As soon as possible.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:56 AM
Mar 2021

Demsrule86

(71,537 posts)
18. It will never happen...too many jobs which we can't lose. However, I do see a hybrid system with
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:45 PM
Mar 2021

regulation similar to France or Switzerland evolving from the ACA and universal coverage.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
19. Oh, please. Why should we subsidize jobs which are intended to hurt us?
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:47 PM
Mar 2021

Yes, it would eliminate the fat cats at the top of those companies. I really don't care, do U?

Those people have skills that would transfer to many other areas of employment.
Many could work in the public sector replacement for it.

aocommunalpunch

(4,576 posts)
2. Give the fucking vampires cushy government jobs. n/t
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:59 AM
Mar 2021

RainCaster

(13,630 posts)
3. No! McDonald's at $7.25 per hour
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:04 PM
Mar 2021

See how they like being off the government dole. We have paid for them for long enough.

Autumn

(48,936 posts)
4. Yes. The government can do healthcare better and cheaper.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:05 PM
Mar 2021

Auggie

(33,101 posts)
5. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:07 PM
Mar 2021

Deuxcents

(26,527 posts)
6. It was a good idea once
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:11 PM
Mar 2021

But greed, insane bonuses n lack of paying for their customers’ health benefits have done them in.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
11. I would argue that point.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:51 PM
Mar 2021

Maybe, possibly theoretically, it may have made sense at one point, BUT, the incentive structure for the model has always been perverse.

The goal of insurance companies that are private, for profit, is to make money. While some may argue that, "You make money by providing good service to your customers" that is really not accurate. You make money by taking in premiums and minimizing, to the extent possible, payouts. YES, if you do a horrific, shitty job, you will lose all of your customers and then go bankrupt. HOWEVER, if you market well, bring brand recognition in, and do only a "so-so" job, human nature will reward you by keeping most people loyal.

Bottom line though, is you make money by taking money in, and paying less out than you take in. That means figuring out good ways not to pay out claims or paying out only a little in claims. Profit is in denial of service, not in service.

 

elevator

(415 posts)
7. No need to eliminate all the jobs. Medicare for all should be available.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:30 PM
Mar 2021

But, if some private Ins. Companies can exist by offering faster care, or a certain surgeon etc., why not let them operate(excuse the pun) for those that want to spend the extra dollars. As long as it has no detrimental effect on medicare.

dsc

(53,376 posts)
8. unless you make hospitals publicly owned
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:34 PM
Mar 2021

this will only do so much. Insurance is maybe, 20% off the top. Hospitals are at last 100%. On edit, that 20% is wildly high since it is the entire non medical amount paid to insurance companies, some of which would have to be spend anyhow. I would bet the profit is maybe 5% or so.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,364 posts)
9. Universal Healthcare
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:42 PM
Mar 2021

cant get here fast enough.We all deserve the same level of care senators get. No more tiered healthcare which is inherently wrong and and leads to the zero sum game and elitism.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
10. 100%
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:43 PM
Mar 2021

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
12. One thing doctors complain about is how every insurance
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:59 PM
Mar 2021

company has its own set of paperwork, and they typically have to hire staff just to deal with the many different kinds of that paperwork.

If the claim forms could all be the same, that would be a start.

I hope that not too far down the road Medicare will be extended to everyone, possibly in increments over several years. Medicare covers certain basics, and many, maybe most people on it, have some kind of secondary plan of some kind. I have an Advantage plan and I'm very happy with it. But even those choices could be simplified.

roamer65

(37,896 posts)
13. Yes.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:01 PM
Mar 2021

Single payor Medicare.

Deminpenn

(17,430 posts)
14. Yes!
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:03 PM
Mar 2021

The reason the US has a private health insurance industry is because there was a wage and price freeze during WWII. When employers couldn't offer higher wages, they offered more and better benefits like health insurance instead.

lindysalsagal

(22,890 posts)
15. Eliminate share holders from all healthcare and pharma. Period.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:06 PM
Mar 2021

No one should profit from other's age and suffering. It's completely immoral and inexcusable and unsustainable.

The entire system needs to be re-designed.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
16. A big hell yes.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:40 PM
Mar 2021

They are getting worse by the day. I am on medicare advantage plan and they would send me a 90-day supply of syringes/test strips even if it meant I got some extra because they had to round up a box of either. Now, they give me CLOSE to the 90-day supply because they can't split boxes of syringes or test strips and refuse to, god forbid, send me even one extra test strip or syringe and tell me I can just refill SOONER. That is defeating the purpose of a 90-day supply. Now I get to make the phone calls to doc/pharmacy/mail-in pharmacy/, etc. MORE OFTEN. It is always a circus and very time consuming and maddening. All to be able to put that extra nickel in the CEOs' pockets. Those middlemen must be eliminated ASAP.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
17. It's a parasite sucking money from citizens.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:41 PM
Mar 2021

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. Shift insurers from being the gatekeepers
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:53 PM
Mar 2021

As we're seeing with the Covid-19 vaccines, there are always people of means looking to jump the line, and folks willing to take their money to accommodate them. Cut the insurance companies out of their role as the gate-keeper of health care and move them to the role of a supplemental access point. Boutique medical clinics catering to those who can afford it will be the new growth industry. The rest of us can muddle along with the hospitals and clinics that want to provide health care.

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