******WRAPPING UP! OFFICIAL BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE THREAD #5******

[riderinthestorm]

Link to #1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021516861

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[Honeycombe8]

1. Catholicism, now. nt

[WinkyDink]

2. The moderator is so freaking SMARMY, it's gag-worthy. And why should RELIGION matter to the LAW? MU-

TING.

[Honeycombe8]

9. Whatever guides their philosophy, their thinking, their political position....matters. It matters to

the public, too.

[WinkyDink]

35. Catholic JFK had an answer, and he disagreed with yours, to wit:

In what would become a model for generations of American Catholic politicians, Kennedy insisted his policies would be based on his conscience, not church teaching.

"I believe in a president whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation, or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office," Kennedy said, just weeks before the general election. "I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/jfk-religion-speech_n_1307282.html

[Honeycombe8]

76. From The American President: The people have a way of deciding on their own what's important to them

[WinkyDink]

89. So go argue with JFK. ANYONE can claim to be religious; even Bush claimed it.

[nolabear]

11. Beg to differ. It's on the table, and is an important part of policy.

[WinkyDink]

19. Really? Since when? Did anyone ask Ike about being Episcopalian?

[Honeycombe8]

91. How many debates was Ike in? Was there a time when people wouldn't vote for Episc.?

[WinkyDink]

140. IMO, a good politician would say our govt is SECULAR.

And I'm also Catholic.

[Lars39]

3. It's been brutal so far.

"Reason and science"

[Honeycombe8]

4. Ryan respects people who don't agree with his pro-life position, BUT..... nt

[highplainsdem]

5. David Shuster tweet: Repubs loudly complaining about debate moderator. It's another sign the GOP

knows this has been a rough night

[Enrique]

6. ask them how they feel about Ayn Rand n/t

[Up2Late]

7. Oh crap, it Abortion and your religion to wrap up

WTF?

[Ikonoklast]

8. Joe will pound Ryan over his rape apology votes.

Watch.


The RCC lost those suits in the courts already, Asshat.

[Fearless]

10. Not the right of religions to force others into their beliefs. Sorry Ryan.

And NO TAXPAYER FUNDING IN OBAMACARE.

[Flatpicker]

12. The moderator

Needed to toss a softball to Ryan to enable getting another debate gig.

[gkhouston]

13. His religious beliefs inform his thinking on how to treat the vulnerable??

I guess folks who rely on Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare aren't vulnerable.

[Lars39]

14. FU Ryan. My reproductive rights come before your damned Catholic church

[RoccoR5955]

15. Why Catholicism? Why not Pastafarianism?

If you're gonna talk religion, talk the only TRUE religion!

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

79. Pastafarianism?

Is that the religion where the Flying Spaghetti Monster is God?

[JTG of the PRB]

16. Okay, so you want freedom of religion. Then don't enforce your anti-abortion rhetoric on people!

Hey Ryan - if you don't want an abortion, DON'T GET ONE!!!

[Honeycombe8]

17. Ryan's personal relationship with his catholicism...he turned it into an Obamacare argument? nt

[redqueen]

18. I can't believe she brought religion into it.

WTF is wrong with her?!

[Gregorian]

27. Strange.

[randome]

46. Who cares? Ryan still flubbed it and Biden didn't.

[matt819]

52. Once you bring religion into the forum

then it's fair game to ask about Mormonism's Lying for God, etc.

[Lars39]

20. Thank you Joe Biden!

[nolabear]

21. CNN focus group TOTALLY on Joe's side on abortion issue.

[TlalocW]

22. To me, the name Bean means that

His kid was stunted in growth when he was young and is going to become a brilliant military leader before something switches on in his body, and he grows to be a giant... But maybe I read too many books in the Ender series by Orson Scott Card...

TlalocW

[Gregorian]

42. Well I just read two Alice Miller books, and I also agree.

Repressed childhood emotion that is not worked out tends to make these right wing creeps who look for targets for their frustration.

[Poiuyt]

54. I just think of Mr. Bean

[redqueen]

23. THANK YOU JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between a woman and her doctor!

YES IT IS!

[Up2Late]

24. NICE! Biden: I refuse to impose my catholic doctrine on to other of other religion.

GOOD ANSWER!

[Flatpicker]

25. My Friend Here, the Congressman

You just know that's a setup for a slam.

[RoccoR5955]

26. I believe that in some cases, abortion should be retroactive

[Flatpicker]

40. Only in the case of

Republicans.

[highplainsdem]

28. Kudos to Joe for bringing up Robert Bork.

[ballabosh]

37. And slammed Scalia! NT

[Honeycombe8]

29. Bork is Romney's advisor for S.Ct.? Wow, I didn't know that. nt

[Flatpicker]

30. I thought

Romney is against abortion even in the case or rape or incest?

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

112. That depends

During the morning hours, he's for it.

In the afternoon hours, he's against it.

During the evening hours, he'll have to think about that issue and get back to you later.

[KewlKat]

31. potential supreme court nominees

[porphyrian]

32. Did Ryan practice smirking with Romney or what? n/t

[nolabear]

33. Biden smartly goes to Supreme Court.

[llmart]

34. His son will serve?

I doubt it.

[WinkyDink]

53. Oh, he'll serve....on some private-school doubles team.

[MadrasT]

36. I want to hug Joe for his abortion answer.

[Honeycombe8]

41. +1 nt

[Honeycombe8]

38. Negative campaigning, now. nt

[Up2Late]

39. AND Ryan goes back to GOP Talking Points on Abortion!

Boooooooooooo!

[meow2u3]

43. Biden threw the "forcible rape" back in Ryan's face

Zing!

[KewlKat]

44. 47%

[Honeycombe8]

45. I like Biden's answer re negative campaigning. nt

[LittleBlue]

47. Haven't been able to watch. How's he doing?

Objectively.

[nolabear]

56. Objectively? Biden is freaking brilliant.

[1-Old-Man]

58. Joe is just plain smokin' in tonight's debate. Nonstop.

[LittleBlue]

75. Thanks. I was worried after the last Obama debate

Hopefully this means Team Obama is going for this all guns blazing

[roody]

109. I watched a little, but

did not like the interrupting that both were doing.

[siligut]

48. Got his email from Joe: My promise to you and Barack tonight

I told Barack I have one mission tonight: tell the truth and stand up for what we believe in.

Our side is always going to win when we do that.

And I sent the OFA campaign some more money!

[Honeycombe8]

49. "Great Recession" reference by Biden. Me likey. nt

[highplainsdem]

50. Mike Signorile: The CNN undecided voter graph dipping down sharply on Ryan's abortion positions, in

a way it has not before.

[Squinch]

51. As we head to the finish, I want to thank all you guys for the blow by blow for those of us who were

too scared to watch. (It's like watching figure skating: I'm too afraid I'm going to have to watch someone falling on his or her head.)

Thanks to all.

[Enrique]

55. Good on Biden for blowing off that stupid-ass question

use it to attack Romney on the 47%

[sfpcjock]

57. Joe is being very calm and reasoned now

Just great

Ryan's answer to the very question is more smearing.

[spanone]

59. joe is the best. i want to thank him for his service all these years.

[nc4bo]

60. I can't stand this little piece of lying shit. nm

[Honeycombe8]

61. Ryan's answering "negative campaigning" question with, you guessed it, negative statements! nt

[nc4bo]

65. And all his right-wing talking points - lies. nm

[JTG of the PRB]

72. Yep! Sure didn't see THAT one coming!

[KewlKat]

62. this run from crap must be the newest GOP talking points.....it irritates the hell out of me.

[Up2Late]

63. Wrapping up, I think

I'm out till the wrap up.

OH NO! NO! He DID NOT JUST GO THERE!

[JTG of the PRB]

64. If Ryan thinks people should run from Obama's record, what should we do with his?

[llmart]

66. I think most people have tuned the little twerp out by now.....

Stick a fork in him - he's done.

[redqueen]

78. Agreed.

He's all fluff and no substance.

[Flatpicker]

67. xbox live poll

59% Biden
34% Ryan
9% same

Who do you think is more truthful.

60% Biden
33% Ryan
7% not sure

Which VP candidate is better prepared to step in as president.

[highplainsdem]

68. Chuck Todd: Biden did what Obama team wanted: fired up the base; reassured those who were nervous

last week; Ryan played it safe; On to Obama-Romney II

[WinkyDink]

69. Ryan is giving Joe a lot to answer at the end. Probably why he saved it until now.

[bullwinkle428]

70. "I just got my ass kicked, but I can sure spew a load of lies for my encore!"

[Liberal In Texas]

71. Ryan's pulling out the lying talking points for his wrap up.

[Gregorian]

80. Yep. And he's presenting exactly zero new ideas. LOSER...

[Bobbie Jo]

73. Ryan is demonstrating the question

What a dope.

[highplainsdem]

74. Kos: They'll need a stretcher to haul Ryan off the stage.

[Iris]

82. And a table for the diaper change

[kerouac2]

77. Biden's Closing has to be Big.

Really. I Mean it.

[kerouac2]

101. Isn't the 12mm jobs thing an estimate based on no matter who is prez?

I think it is... so how can they run on that #

[WinkyDink]

81. So, Joe won't get as much time?

[redqueen]

86. Yep.

And there goes the puppet boy again, taking more time from Joe.

[Flatpicker]

83. Mitt Romney is not Uniquely Qualified to be a dog catcher.

[gkhouston]

88. Now, if "Dog Abuser" were an elected office... n/t

[meow2u3]

84. Go Joe! He's talking about the rAyn budget

Yes!

[Honeycombe8]

85. Ryan voted to put two wars on a credit card. nt

[Up2Late]

87. OH NICE! Another LIE to wrap up from Ryan! We've had 4 Budgets???

NO YOU DID NOT!!! YOU IN CONGRESS DID NOT PASS A BUDGET THIS YEAR YOU ASShole!!!!

[sfpcjock]

90. Only Eddie Munster could provide "honesty"

[bullwinkle428]

92. HONESTY? *cough*marathontime*cough*

[JTG of the PRB]

100. I laughed out loud when I heard him utter that word!

[llmart]

93. Ryan knows he's lost it.....

so now he's trying to talk faster.

[Flatpicker]

94. Honesty?

Honestly?

[Bobbie Jo]

95. LOL Honesty ??

[nobodyspecial]

96. So sick of hearing how Obama broke his promise to work with Congress

How the hell could he do this when they refused to budge on anything?

[mrs_p]

97. honesty

lying ryan wouldn't know honesty if it bit him in ass

[meow2u3]

98. Lyin' Ryan talking about being honest?

WTH?

[Lars39]

99. Ryan wouldn't recognize honesty if it bit him in the ass

[Bobbie Jo]

121. What a squirrelly MF'er

[WinkyDink]

102. Who is the moderator, anyway? (I know: Google.) She likes to argue with Joe.

[highplainsdem]

103. "Look at my record. It's been all about the middle class."

[Gregorian]

104. Who, me honest? Say it ain't so Joe.

[Honeycombe8]

105. Biden: Look at my record. It's about the middle class. Me likey. The truth. nt

[AlinPA]

106. A bullshit question at the end.

[highplainsdem]

107. David Corn: Ryan is advocating politicians who stick to what they say. Of all Romney's talents, that

may not be on the top of the list.

[Liberal In Texas]

108. Joe, look at the camera!

[Flatpicker]

114. I liked it

It came off as humble.

[tawadi]

110. Biden: "We inherited a God awful (pause) circumstance"

Just say it: A GOD AWFUL MESS.

[Flatpicker]

111. End it on the 47%

That's strong. That's good.

[Honeycombe8]

113. Oh, no. Ryan looking earnestly at the camera, at me. Oooooh. Kinda creepy. Insincere. nt

[highplainsdem]

115. ROFL! Karl Rove tweets that he misses Jim Lehrer!

https://twitter.com/KarlRove/status/256582207223758848

[Gregorian]

116. Ryan just looks evil. I'm sorry.

[JTG of the PRB]

117. Ryan looking right into the camera gives me the willies.

[gkhouston]

126. Wait 'til you see him looking right into your window.

[Flatpicker]

136. AHHHHH!!!!

Mind Bleach stat..

[MadrasT]

118. Joe's closing statement brought tears to my eyes.

[tawadi]

119. Oh god. I hope the poor don't buy this bullshit. eom

[WinkyDink]

120. "Mitt Romney and I want to earn your support." Suuuuure.

[RoccoR5955]

125. Not in this universe, in this lifetime, on this planet! n/t

[nolabear]

122. Ryan's closing statement is just a rehash. KO Joe wins!

[Up2Late]

123. ...And I want to thank you, Joe...

My ration, if I was sitting there would have be, "Oh F*ck YOU!"

[redqueen]

124. WHAT founding principles? They change their policy positions like other people change pants!

[KewlKat]

127. Mitt and Ryan are aboard the USS Duck the Issues...........

[highplainsdem]

128. Wow. Loved that. And agree with Rachel that it was 90 minutes that felt like 9 minutes.

[mjjoe]

129. Two for two - can we do this more?

Bad VP debates hurt would-be presidential candidates. Ask Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin.

To be fair, Palin's self-inflicted wounds went far beyond the VP debate. Still, Biden did his part then and he certainly did his part tonight.

Is there any way Biden could just debate every "rising star" of the GOP over the next four years?

[trailmonkee]

130. man, i hope the pundits spin this truthfully!

[JCMach1]

131. Ryan always reminds of a smarmy, douchebag frat boy

no offense to frat boys, he's a douche

[Honeycombe8]

132. Ryan got a few shots in. But I declare Biden the winner!!!!!! GO MR V P, GO!!!! WELL DONE! nt

[Bobbie Jo]

133. Kick Ass Joe!

[WinkyDink]

134. Finally, I've figured her out! Martha was imitating Diane Sawyer's faux-earnest style!

[WinkyDink]

135. Wolfie declared the debate a draw. OMG.

[KewlKat]

137. Are they on drugs?

[TBF]

139. Wolfie is bought and paid for - that is no surprise. nt

[Flatpicker]

141. Ahh, So now we get the comedy portion of the night.

Let's see the MSM try to make a horserace out of tonight.

[TlalocW]

142. That's what I'm hearing as well from another place

They know that Ryan lost, but they can't go with that narrative because they need it to be a horse-race so they know they can't flat out lie and say Ryan won so they have to go with the softer lie, it was a draw.

TlalocW

[Gregorian]

138. And now Ryan can safely be put back in his casket for another day's rest. Garlic and a stake please.