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Sinemas office responded to a question about the gesture by making the absurd claim that the inquiry is sexist. Commentary about a female senators body language, clothing, or physical demeanor does not belong in a serious media outlet, Hannah Hurley, a spokesperson for Sinema, told HuffPost."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kyrsten-sinema-thumbs-down-minimum-wage_n_6042a4b2c5b613cec15d9f41?zyp
Link to tweet
Oh and her Press Secretary actually DOUBLED DOWN on this BS....
Link to tweet
SHE'S GOTTA GO!!!
Celerity
(43,317 posts)such a bad look for her to pull that stunt and now compound it
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Not just today but every time she votes she does that.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)Beartracks
(12,809 posts)I'm not a Senate-watcher. Does she really do that all the time?
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Before she votes with a Curtsy dance before each time also?
She doesnt.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)The Double Down is Disgusting at this point. She could have just voted NO. Now this would be a Flip-Flop to her #RaiseTheWage alleged stance in 2014. However, to pat McConnell's BACK to make SURE he SEEN her strut to the table, do a curtsy and mock the Late John McCain's Thumbs Down to Save ACA to deny Arizonans and Americans a $15 a Hour Minimum wage was beyond the pale.
Then, when criticized for her stunt, she blames Feminism. REALLY NOW?
Warpy
(111,245 posts)America desperately needs a raise and the minimum wage is the place to start.
That's what they should be attacking her over, not some stupid hand gesture.
Still, it's obvious Arizona is not sending its best, even though she's an improvement over Flake.
Ponietz
(2,961 posts)Trash
radius777
(3,635 posts)When McCain did it he did so in support of the vulnerable to save the ACA.
Sinema IMO thinks she can be as arrogant as Manchin. The problem with that thinking is Manchin is in a deep red state and wins there due to his unique appeal (former governor) in the state. He's also a white man from a white state, who is in with the good ole boys club.
Sinema is a new Senator from a state that is purple, that Biden won, that is diverse and moving in a blue direction, that has several up and coming Dem stars like Rep Ruben Gallego and SoS Katie Hobbs and others who could easily defeat the clueless Sinema in a primary and likely perform better in the general election than Sinema did, who barely beat the terrible McSally.
Trueblue1968
(17,205 posts)her attitude and what i've read about her comments appear to me that SHE JUST CARE ABOUT "US"
I'm soooooooooooo depressed.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)While McCain did save the ACA with his vote, his thumbs down was more of an FU to Trump and McConnell. I don't believe that McCain cared so much for the vulnerable for his vote, just like I don't believe either Collins or Murkowski cared either. They voted against it because McConnell said they could. McCain was the wild card there. If Mitch knew that McCain was going to vote against, Murkowski would have voted for the repeal. None of the Republicans care about the vulnerable, unless it would directly help them politically.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)piss-poor wages; a disproportionate share of who are POC. Furthermore, a disproportionate share of who are WOMEN.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)In his 2018 memoirs, The Restless Wave, McCain said even Obama called to express gratitude for McCains vote against the Republican repeal bill.
I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I should have been for helping save Obamacare, McCain wrote. That had not been my goal.
https://khn.org/news/mccains-complicated-health-care-legacy-he-hated-the-aca-he-also-saved-it/
Ziggysmom
(3,406 posts)Disloyal?
Stupid?
Dont give a damn?
Looking for that Manchin like attention?
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)I think she's trying to compete with Manchin in the "see what an asshole I can be" sweepstakes. Calling each a "Democrat" leaves a disgusting taste in my mouth.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)and failing
Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)Link to tweet
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Sen. Kyrsten Sinema to meet with Attorney General William Barr, but won't say why or when
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2019/05/16/kyrsten-sinema-meet-william-barr-but-wont-say-why-when/3696558002/
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)feminism, you're doin it wrong
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Of all the money I have donated, hers is the most I regret. She is a disgrace.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)How hard we all worked, how much we donated in time and money, to get her elected. How elated we were when she won. Then........this. I feel betrayed, by both Sinema and Manchin.
onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)Minimum wage is popular, Bernie will never let it go. All hope is not lost but were getting to see who these people really are. I hope we believe them.
onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)All day long.
JI7
(89,247 posts)but without the stupid performance.
Especially if there is a Biden/Kelly type candidate that would run against her .
movingviolation
(310 posts)Some people are in politics to serve and help others, and some are in it for personal gain.
Which one are you Senator? Olive trees don't grow thistles.
madaboutharry
(40,208 posts)She is certainly different, rather offbeat. That is not necessarily a bad thing.
What is unfortunate is that she brought attention to herself in a negative way by behaving disrespectfully to the millions of workers across the country earning $7.25 an hour, unlike workers in Arizona where minimum wage is $12.00 an hour.
She could have voted for this bill with little or no political pushback back home.
I have said it elsewhere, I don't get what she even believes in.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)in the Senate, and likely the House. Here in the EU you have so many who started out actual socialists (not the so so fake socialist label that Americans in the US use) and then gradually slide over to the centre right or even harder RW.
Sinema was a pretty far left Green type (far left for the US, middle of the road here) who now is arguably the most conservative Dem (neck and neck with Manchin) in the Senate, and quite likely all of Congress, other than Henry Cuellar (for sure he is the most conservative, and for sure the worst Dem, he isn't even really a Dem other than he votes for a Dem speaker, safe Blue seat too, I so hope he finally goes down in a primary, we just need a decent centrist, as a prog cannot beat him, he is the ONLY Dem I actually advocate primarying, as I do not advocate primarying any Dem in an at-risk district or state, although Sinema is starting to give me pause) and then of course, maybe Manchin.
madaboutharry
(40,208 posts)or actually de-evolution, to conservative Democrat that she has manifested. Is it as simple as political survival in a place like Arizona? Or has she changed philosophically?
Celerity
(43,317 posts)is driven by ambition and the status of her state in terms of ideological make-up. She seems to be a very complex individual. She is a listener, in terms of her power projections. She reads the people in her power centres and then comes in at the end with interventions. My father is very much like that, as is my brother. I take after mummy, I am a hot head and dominant from the start, although I absolutely am a good listener too, I just tend to not change from the core of my original stance. I am very tolerant of divergent views within a certain boundary, especially in real life. The internet makes things escalate far more quickly to the level of real argy bargy going on.
perhaps this article may be of interest
The most influential Democrat you never hear from
Kyrsten Sinema's defense of the Senates age-old rules is likely to frustrate progressives eager to use every tool at their disposal to advance their priorities.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/12/kyrsten-sinema-democrats-468768
Kyrsten Sinema doesnt often make big policy pronouncements. But when she does, Democrats had better listen.
Take the $15 hourly minimum wage that Democratic leaders want to add to a $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package. Sinema, who became the first Democrat to win a Senate race in once deep-red Arizona in 30 years, is crystal clear: Shes against including it. Whats important is whether or not its directly related to short-term Covid relief. And if its not, then I am not going to support it in this legislation, Sinema said in a telephone interview this week. The minimum wage provision is not appropriate for the reconciliation process. It is not a budget item. And it shouldnt be in there. Sinemas opposition is a blow to Democrats hopes of bumping up the federal minimum wage through budget reconciliation to avoid a GOP filibuster, complicating follow-through on a campaign promise from Democrats and President Joe Biden. And her defense of the Senates age-old rules is likely to frustrate progressives eager to use every tool at their disposal to advance their priorities in a Senate where one wayward Democrat can mean the difference between a policy breakthrough and utter failure.
Her breaks with her liberal colleagues are both a reflection of her state, which she won by a narrow margin in 2018, and her temperament. But the former state legislator, House member and now first-term senator has literally never served in the majority before so she feels the minoritys pain. Its just one of the things that makes the 44-year-old Democrat one of the most quirky and interesting members of the stodgy Senate. She often wears a bright-colored wig to vote, drawing wide eyes from her colleagues. She waits for a single elevator most of the time, once peeking into a jam-packed vessel and declaring it a Covid elevator. The walls of her office are a loud purple, accented by leopard patterns. And though shes more attentive to Democratic Caucus meetings than she was in the minority, she still keeps Republicans at least as close as members of her own party. She was a pretty lonely Democrat during former President Donald Trumps last State of the Union speech, standing and applauding at times. Now she talks to President Joe Bidens team just about every day.
Shes not someone who cares about convention and the way things were, said Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a friend and ally. She recognizes the real tradition of a Republic, which is that we are elected not to put our finger in the air to determine the direction of the wind. Despite being one of the youngest, and lets face it, hippest members of the chamber, Sinema holds views that can be as old-school as any of the Senates long-timers'. Not only does she want to keep the filibuster, she wants to rebuild it. And the end-around idea of overruling the parliamentarian to jam whatever Democrats want to in a budget reconciliation bill is not going to happen on Sinemas watch either. There is no instance in which I would overrule a parliamentarians decision, Sinema said. I want to restore the 60-vote threshold for all elements of the Senate's work.
Sinemas stance largely aligns with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), another senator who has narrowed Democrats ambitions since they won the Senate last month. Their styles diverge from there. When Vice President Kamala Harris appeared in Manchins home state on TV pushing the coronavirus relief bill, Manchin retorted: Thats not a way of working together. Sinema was similarly unhappy, according to people that spoke with her afterward. She decided to deal with it privately. She explained that people in her state don't really want me to spend my time weighing in on controversies or palace intrigue. They don't care about that. And attempts at trying to force Sinemas hand will not go anywhere, she insists. Its not effective to pressure me on anything. Because I am a thoughtful person who takes a lot of time, deliberatively, to make decisions, Sinema said. Once I've made a decision, I feel very comfortable with it. And it doesn't matter what other people think.
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Mike 03
(16,616 posts)actually quite a few years ago, which is why I can't remember which program it was or all the details:
I'm almost positive it was a reporter from DailyKos who may have been on Michelangelo Signorile's program, or one of the afternoon programs that follows, who had followed her career from its inception.
I remember him saying that she used to be so much more open, outgoing, candid and fun to interview, but at some point, BEFORE she ran for senate, she became much more inscrutable, guarded, less fun to be around and unwilling to answer questions directly.
(For what it's worth.)
Celerity
(43,317 posts)Her 2012 US House campaign was brutal
dansolo
(5,376 posts)Greens seem to have a Democrat Derangement Syndrome, but I suspect that she was a Green more as an anti-establishment and attention seeker type, and not because of her belief in left policies.
Takket
(21,560 posts)I saw the clip. If she has been carrying a football she would have spiked it. There was clearly glee for her in what she was doing and not simply a professional doing their job and making the choice.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)She's not the Arizona maverick she thinks she is. I hope the chocolate cake was delicious.
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)speaks about 10,000 words, many of them obscene.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)as a Democrat. She doesn't understand that, apparently. She will, though.
ananda
(28,858 posts)I wish she were a better Democrat.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)poverty wages are women, how is her attitude "feminist"?
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)She just assured that she will be primaried.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)"If your schtick is costumed performance, the theater critics have been invited." He's not hearing any of Sen. Sinema's complaints about negative reviews for her performance.