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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:10 AM Mar 2021

Un--FREAKING---BELIEVABLE!!! Sinema sidestepping & using Feminism to not Criticize Her "Thumbs Down"

"Although hand gestures are commonplace on the Senate floor, particularly in the coronavirus era, Sinema’s casual body language was disappointing to some who saw the gesture as belittling the fight to end poverty wages.

Sinema’s office responded to a question about the gesture by making the absurd claim that the inquiry is sexist. “Commentary about a female senator’s body language, clothing, or physical demeanor does not belong in a serious media outlet,” Hannah Hurley, a spokesperson for Sinema, told HuffPost."


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kyrsten-sinema-thumbs-down-minimum-wage_n_6042a4b2c5b613cec15d9f41?zyp




Oh and her Press Secretary actually DOUBLED DOWN on this BS....




SHE'S GOTTA GO!!!
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Un--FREAKING---BELIEVABLE!!! Sinema sidestepping & using Feminism to not Criticize Her "Thumbs Down" (Original Post) LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 OP
shit like this plays right into the enemies of feminism's hands Celerity Mar 2021 #1
It's because she does that dance on every vote. BlueLucy Mar 2021 #2
link please, I have not heard this nor seen this before TIA Celerity Mar 2021 #3
Really? Beartracks Mar 2021 #5
Does she pat McConnell on the back.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #6
Nope budkin Mar 2021 #16
Is anyone still buying this shit? greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #4
Let's Hope Not.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #9
It's a stupid distraction from the fact that she's WRONG about the minimum wage Warpy Mar 2021 #15
Stupid is as stupid does Ponietz Mar 2021 #7
She's clueless; her thumbs down was almost a taunt to poor people. radius777 Mar 2021 #8
Well, "THIS POOR PERSON" ..... (ME) IS NOT IMPRESSED WITH HER AT ALL. She doesn't represent dems Trueblue1968 Mar 2021 #11
You are wrong about McCain dansolo Mar 2021 #28
I literally said she might as well have flipped two birds at everyone busting their ass for bullwinkle428 Mar 2021 #35
Actually it was not McCain's goal to save the ACA, he hated the ACA. He was angry at this party Autumn Mar 2021 #40
Is she trying to channel the late John McCain?? Or is she....... Ziggysmom Mar 2021 #10
All of the above. SergeStorms Mar 2021 #25
She looked like a junior high girl trying to be cute and flirty Lucinda Mar 2021 #12
Someone should remind her where she is. She doesn't seem to understand. 🐷 Judi Lynn Mar 2021 #22
Boooo... Blue Owl Mar 2021 #13
She might be a snake dustyscamp Mar 2021 #14
She voted down a raise for 23+ million women leftstreet Mar 2021 #17
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2021 #18
I was thinking the same thing. SergeStorms Mar 2021 #27
You'll all have to decide what to do about it and get to work. onecaliberal Mar 2021 #42
X10000000 onecaliberal Mar 2021 #41
This has potential to hurt her more than if she had voted the same JI7 Mar 2021 #19
How tone-deaf can she be? movingviolation Mar 2021 #20
It seems that having an education, including a law degree, does not make one a mature adult. madaboutharry Mar 2021 #21
She's as close to a certian type of EU-style RW (in the non US scale of RW) pol as there is Celerity Mar 2021 #23
I would like to understand this evolution, madaboutharry Mar 2021 #24
I do not know enough about her to make that call. If I had to guess I think some, if not a lot of it Celerity Mar 2021 #26
Her transformation has been discussed on SiriusXM's progressive channel, and this was Mike 03 Mar 2021 #38
t seems to have started in 2013 and 2014, as then in 2014, she started running as a centrist Celerity Mar 2021 #44
I think she is more of an anti-Democrat dansolo Mar 2021 #29
That I total bullshit Takket Mar 2021 #30
She's no John McCain IronLionZion Mar 2021 #31
Thou Shalt Not Criticize Mean Girl dalton99a Mar 2021 #32
That picture.... SergeStorms Mar 2021 #43
Her showboating on that "No" vote damages her MineralMan Mar 2021 #33
Shame ananda Mar 2021 #34
Considering far more than half of workers making TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #36
Just a repugnantly awful performance. Tommymac Mar 2021 #37
Atrios made a simple point gratuitous Mar 2021 #39

Celerity

(43,317 posts)
1. shit like this plays right into the enemies of feminism's hands
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:15 AM
Mar 2021

such a bad look for her to pull that stunt and now compound it

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
9. Let's Hope Not....
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:23 AM
Mar 2021

The Double Down is Disgusting at this point. She could have just voted NO. Now this would be a Flip-Flop to her #RaiseTheWage alleged stance in 2014. However, to pat McConnell's BACK to make SURE he SEEN her strut to the table, do a curtsy and mock the Late John McCain's Thumbs Down to Save ACA to deny Arizonans and Americans a $15 a Hour Minimum wage was beyond the pale.

Then, when criticized for her stunt, she blames Feminism. REALLY NOW?

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
15. It's a stupid distraction from the fact that she's WRONG about the minimum wage
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 03:10 AM
Mar 2021

America desperately needs a raise and the minimum wage is the place to start.

That's what they should be attacking her over, not some stupid hand gesture.

Still, it's obvious Arizona is not sending its best, even though she's an improvement over Flake.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
8. She's clueless; her thumbs down was almost a taunt to poor people.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:19 AM
Mar 2021

When McCain did it he did so in support of the vulnerable to save the ACA.

Sinema IMO thinks she can be as arrogant as Manchin. The problem with that thinking is Manchin is in a deep red state and wins there due to his unique appeal (former governor) in the state. He's also a white man from a white state, who is in with the good ole boys club.

Sinema is a new Senator from a state that is purple, that Biden won, that is diverse and moving in a blue direction, that has several up and coming Dem stars like Rep Ruben Gallego and SoS Katie Hobbs and others who could easily defeat the clueless Sinema in a primary and likely perform better in the general election than Sinema did, who barely beat the terrible McSally.

Trueblue1968

(17,205 posts)
11. Well, "THIS POOR PERSON" ..... (ME) IS NOT IMPRESSED WITH HER AT ALL. She doesn't represent dems
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:26 AM
Mar 2021

her attitude and what i've read about her comments appear to me that SHE JUST CARE ABOUT "US"

I'm soooooooooooo depressed.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
28. You are wrong about McCain
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:41 AM
Mar 2021

While McCain did save the ACA with his vote, his thumbs down was more of an FU to Trump and McConnell. I don't believe that McCain cared so much for the vulnerable for his vote, just like I don't believe either Collins or Murkowski cared either. They voted against it because McConnell said they could. McCain was the wild card there. If Mitch knew that McCain was going to vote against, Murkowski would have voted for the repeal. None of the Republicans care about the vulnerable, unless it would directly help them politically.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
35. I literally said she might as well have flipped two birds at everyone busting their ass for
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:04 AM
Mar 2021

piss-poor wages; a disproportionate share of who are POC. Furthermore, a disproportionate share of who are WOMEN.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
40. Actually it was not McCain's goal to save the ACA, he hated the ACA. He was angry at this party
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:09 PM
Mar 2021
What bothered McCain more, though, was his party’s strategy to pass their so-called skinny repeal measure, skipping committee consideration and delivering it straight to the floor. They also rejected any input from the opposing party, a tactic for which he had slammed Democrats when the ACA passed in 2010 without a single GOP vote. He lamented that Republican leaders had cast aside compromise-nurturing Senate procedures in pursuit of political victory.

In his 2018 memoirs, “The Restless Wave,” McCain said even Obama called to express gratitude for McCain’s vote against the Republican repeal bill.

“I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I should have been for helping save Obamacare,” McCain wrote. “That had not been my goal.”


https://khn.org/news/mccains-complicated-health-care-legacy-he-hated-the-aca-he-also-saved-it/

Ziggysmom

(3,406 posts)
10. Is she trying to channel the late John McCain?? Or is she.......
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:26 AM
Mar 2021

Disloyal?
Stupid?
Don’t give a damn?
Looking for that Manchin like attention?

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
25. All of the above.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:27 AM
Mar 2021

I think she's trying to compete with Manchin in the "see what an asshole I can be" sweepstakes. Calling each a "Democrat" leaves a disgusting taste in my mouth.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
27. I was thinking the same thing.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:32 AM
Mar 2021

How hard we all worked, how much we donated in time and money, to get her elected. How elated we were when she won. Then........this. I feel betrayed, by both Sinema and Manchin.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
42. You'll all have to decide what to do about it and get to work.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:43 PM
Mar 2021

Minimum wage is popular, Bernie will never let it go. All hope is not lost but we’re getting to see who these people really are. I hope we believe them.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
19. This has potential to hurt her more than if she had voted the same
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 03:59 AM
Mar 2021

but without the stupid performance.

Especially if there is a Biden/Kelly type candidate that would run against her .

movingviolation

(310 posts)
20. How tone-deaf can she be?
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:23 AM
Mar 2021

Some people are in politics to serve and help others, and some are in it for personal gain.
Which one are you Senator? Olive trees don't grow thistles.

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
21. It seems that having an education, including a law degree, does not make one a mature adult.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:39 AM
Mar 2021

She is certainly different, rather offbeat. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

What is unfortunate is that she brought attention to herself in a negative way by behaving disrespectfully to the millions of workers across the country earning $7.25 an hour, unlike workers in Arizona where minimum wage is $12.00 an hour.

She could have voted for this bill with little or no political pushback back home.

I have said it elsewhere, I don't get what she even believes in.

Celerity

(43,317 posts)
23. She's as close to a certian type of EU-style RW (in the non US scale of RW) pol as there is
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:58 AM
Mar 2021

in the Senate, and likely the House. Here in the EU you have so many who started out actual socialists (not the so so fake socialist label that Americans in the US use) and then gradually slide over to the centre right or even harder RW.

Sinema was a pretty far left Green type (far left for the US, middle of the road here) who now is arguably the most conservative Dem (neck and neck with Manchin) in the Senate, and quite likely all of Congress, other than Henry Cuellar (for sure he is the most conservative, and for sure the worst Dem, he isn't even really a Dem other than he votes for a Dem speaker, safe Blue seat too, I so hope he finally goes down in a primary, we just need a decent centrist, as a prog cannot beat him, he is the ONLY Dem I actually advocate primarying, as I do not advocate primarying any Dem in an at-risk district or state, although Sinema is starting to give me pause) and then of course, maybe Manchin.

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
24. I would like to understand this evolution,
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:06 AM
Mar 2021

or actually de-evolution, to “conservative Democrat” that she has manifested. Is it as simple as political survival in a place like Arizona? Or has she changed philosophically?

Celerity

(43,317 posts)
26. I do not know enough about her to make that call. If I had to guess I think some, if not a lot of it
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:30 AM
Mar 2021

is driven by ambition and the status of her state in terms of ideological make-up. She seems to be a very complex individual. She is a listener, in terms of her power projections. She reads the people in her power centres and then comes in at the end with interventions. My father is very much like that, as is my brother. I take after mummy, I am a hot head and dominant from the start, although I absolutely am a good listener too, I just tend to not change from the core of my original stance. I am very tolerant of divergent views within a certain boundary, especially in real life. The internet makes things escalate far more quickly to the level of real argy bargy going on.

perhaps this article may be of interest

The most influential Democrat you never hear from

Kyrsten Sinema's defense of the Senate’s age-old rules is likely to frustrate progressives eager to use every tool at their disposal to advance their priorities.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/12/kyrsten-sinema-democrats-468768

Kyrsten Sinema doesn’t often make big policy pronouncements. But when she does, Democrats had better listen.

Take the $15 hourly minimum wage that Democratic leaders want to add to a $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package. Sinema, who became the first Democrat to win a Senate race in once deep-red Arizona in 30 years, is crystal clear: She’s against including it. “What’s important is whether or not it’s directly related to short-term Covid relief. And if it’s not, then I am not going to support it in this legislation,” Sinema said in a telephone interview this week. “The minimum wage provision is not appropriate for the reconciliation process. It is not a budget item. And it shouldn’t be in there.” Sinema’s opposition is a blow to Democrats’ hopes of bumping up the federal minimum wage through budget reconciliation to avoid a GOP filibuster, complicating follow-through on a campaign promise from Democrats and President Joe Biden. And her defense of the Senate’s age-old rules is likely to frustrate progressives eager to use every tool at their disposal to advance their priorities in a Senate where one wayward Democrat can mean the difference between a policy breakthrough and utter failure.

Her breaks with her liberal colleagues are both a reflection of her state, which she won by a narrow margin in 2018, and her temperament. But the former state legislator, House member and now first-term senator has literally never served in the majority before — so she feels the minority’s pain. It’s just one of the things that makes the 44-year-old Democrat one of the most quirky and interesting members of the stodgy Senate. She often wears a bright-colored wig to vote, drawing wide eyes from her colleagues. She waits for a single elevator most of the time, once peeking into a jam-packed vessel and declaring it a “Covid elevator.” The walls of her office are a loud purple, accented by leopard patterns. And though she’s more attentive to Democratic Caucus meetings than she was in the minority, she still keeps Republicans at least as close as members of her own party. She was a pretty lonely Democrat during former President Donald Trump’s last State of the Union speech, standing and applauding at times. Now she talks to President Joe Biden’s team just about every day.

“She’s not someone who cares about convention and the way things were,” said Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a friend and ally. “She recognizes the real tradition of a Republic, which is that we are elected not to put our finger in the air to determine the direction of the wind.” Despite being one of the youngest, and let’s face it, hippest members of the chamber, Sinema holds views that can be as old-school as any of the Senate’s long-timers'. Not only does she want to keep the filibuster, she wants to rebuild it. And the end-around idea of overruling the parliamentarian to jam whatever Democrats want to in a budget reconciliation bill is not going to happen on Sinema’s watch either. “There is no instance in which I would overrule a parliamentarian’s decision,” Sinema said. “I want to restore the 60-vote threshold for all elements of the Senate's work.”

Sinema’s stance largely aligns with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), another senator who has narrowed Democrats’ ambitions since they won the Senate last month. Their styles diverge from there. When Vice President Kamala Harris appeared in Manchin’s home state on TV pushing the coronavirus relief bill, Manchin retorted: “That’s not a way of working together.” Sinema was similarly unhappy, according to people that spoke with her afterward. She decided to deal with it privately. She explained that people in her state “don't really want me to spend my time weighing in on controversies or palace intrigue. They don't care about that.” And attempts at trying to force Sinema’s hand will not go anywhere, she insists. “It’s not effective to pressure me on anything. Because I am a thoughtful person who takes a lot of time, deliberatively, to make decisions,” Sinema said. “Once I've made a decision, I feel very comfortable with it. And it doesn't matter what other people think.”


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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
38. Her transformation has been discussed on SiriusXM's progressive channel, and this was
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:42 AM
Mar 2021

actually quite a few years ago, which is why I can't remember which program it was or all the details:

I'm almost positive it was a reporter from DailyKos who may have been on Michelangelo Signorile's program, or one of the afternoon programs that follows, who had followed her career from its inception.

I remember him saying that she used to be so much more open, outgoing, candid and fun to interview, but at some point, BEFORE she ran for senate, she became much more inscrutable, guarded, less fun to be around and unwilling to answer questions directly.

(For what it's worth.)

Celerity

(43,317 posts)
44. t seems to have started in 2013 and 2014, as then in 2014, she started running as a centrist
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:20 PM
Mar 2021

Her 2012 US House campaign was brutal

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
29. I think she is more of an anti-Democrat
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:45 AM
Mar 2021

Greens seem to have a Democrat Derangement Syndrome, but I suspect that she was a Green more as an anti-establishment and attention seeker type, and not because of her belief in left policies.

Takket

(21,560 posts)
30. That I total bullshit
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:53 AM
Mar 2021

I saw the clip. If she has been carrying a football she would have spiked it. There was clearly glee for her in what she was doing and not simply a professional doing their job and making the choice.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
31. She's no John McCain
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM
Mar 2021

She's not the Arizona maverick she thinks she is. I hope the chocolate cake was delicious.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
33. Her showboating on that "No" vote damages her
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:42 AM
Mar 2021

as a Democrat. She doesn't understand that, apparently. She will, though.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
39. Atrios made a simple point
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:58 AM
Mar 2021

"If your schtick is costumed performance, the theater critics have been invited." He's not hearing any of Sen. Sinema's complaints about negative reviews for her performance.

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